iq testing

January 9, 2005

In a message dated 1/9/2005 2:04:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

leslie-kerrigan@... writes:

>

> We have managed to avoid the MR issue (and the IQ testing required to

> prove/disprove this) all together by having labeled as " Speech

> and language impaired " for her " Qualifying handicapping condition " .

> Since she is still in elementary school, we have not run into any

> problems...... they ask to IQ test her, I state me reasons for refusing,

> and we move on :-) Her trienial review is coming up in the spring, and

> I'm sure we'll go through it once again, hee hee. Maybe they have it in

> her file now " Mom absolutely, without a doubt, will refuse all IQ

> testing at this time " As I always ask them...... " Have you ever had a

> child in the district that had DS and did not qualify for and IEP? What

> does it matter what her IQ is, you will still be providing the exact

> same services! " I guess if we need an IQ test at age, I'll worry about

> it them.

>

> , mom to (9), (almost 7, DS), and (5

---

The down side to this category is that you don't get OT/PT service

When my daughter was in Preschool in CA she was put in the " Developmentally

Delayed " category but when we got to MD (when she was 3) the school didn't

recognize the DD category (it wasn't until much later I found out I could have

fought them on this) and I tried to get her in a MD (multiple disability catego

ry) recognizing her speech issues (apraxia) and OT issues. It was a losing

battle. They did the WPSSI to put her in MR - and then used that to argue she

couldn't go to her neighborhood school. We went to DP and lost (but got the

issue

resolved another way). DP was brutal. They used the IQ results to prove to the

ALJ (Administrative Law Judge) that she was in pretty bad shape and there was

no way she could be in an Inclusion setting without a dedicated Special Ed

teacher (not mere aide) in the class with her at all times. This in spite of the

fact she knew all her letters, colors, shapes, and was generally a

well-behaved kid.

- Becky

January 9, 2005

-

this is the area where NCLD is really hurting our kids and is working cross

purposes to IDEA.

Under IDEA the school has to educate our kids until age 22. So technically

our kids school have under age 22 to try to graduate from HS with a real

diploma.

But under NCLB, if your child is on a " diploma track " then they are expected

to keep up with the work and progress grade-to-grade with their peers (instead

of at their own rate). There is no provision for the children to spend 8

years in HS progressing at their own rates.

If you go the " certificate route " - so that your child can get the

modifications to curriculum, then the coursework doesn't count towards

graduation.

Because of s' apraxia I've got her on certificate track (she's

currently in 7th grade). But there are other kids in her grade and pullout for

English

& Math who definitely are in that " grey area " . The MS is under tramendous

pressure to make sure they are ready to take HSA exams by the time they are in

9th grade... instead of allowing them to take them any time before graduation.

- Becky

In a message dated 1/9/2005 12:31:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,

linman42@... writes:

> But it is making it very difficult to get my daughter into alternate

> assessment because she does not meet the criteria of 'serverly cognigtively

> delayed'

> or functioning at the level of a 5 year old. Her IQ score may actually

> qualify

> her- I hate going that route, but the DOE is making my life miserable.

>

> How can she possibly take an 8th grade ELA (English Language Arts exam) when

>

> she reads on a 4th grade level??????? She couldnt take the 4th grade ELA

> now.

> She will not be taking the 8th grade test which is next week- I just found

> out.

>

> it was a hard decision for me to put her alternate assessment and not go the

>

> regents diploma route- she is definately in what the powers that be call 'in

>

> the gray area'- she is too high functioning to really fit the current

> criteria.

>

> On the other hand, do you know what regular 9th grade math is like? The one

>

> you have to take a regents for???? I couldnt do 9th grade math without lots

>

> of refreshers now!

>

January 9, 2005

-

this is the area where NCLD is really hurting our kids and is working cross

purposes to IDEA.

Under IDEA the school has to educate our kids until age 22. So technically

our kids school have under age 22 to try to graduate from HS with a real

diploma.

But under NCLB, if your child is on a " diploma track " then they are expected

to keep up with the work and progress grade-to-grade with their peers (instead

of at their own rate). There is no provision for the children to spend 8

years in HS progressing at their own rates.

If you go the " certificate route " - so that your child can get the

modifications to curriculum, then the coursework doesn't count towards

graduation.

Because of s' apraxia I've got her on certificate track (she's

currently in 7th grade). But there are other kids in her grade and pullout for

English

& Math who definitely are in that " grey area " . The MS is under tramendous

pressure to make sure they are ready to take HSA exams by the time they are in

9th grade... instead of allowing them to take them any time before graduation.

- Becky

In a message dated 1/9/2005 12:31:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,

linman42@... writes:

> But it is making it very difficult to get my daughter into alternate

> assessment because she does not meet the criteria of 'serverly cognigtively

> delayed'

> or functioning at the level of a 5 year old. Her IQ score may actually

> qualify

> her- I hate going that route, but the DOE is making my life miserable.

>

> How can she possibly take an 8th grade ELA (English Language Arts exam) when

>

> she reads on a 4th grade level??????? She couldnt take the 4th grade ELA

> now.

> She will not be taking the 8th grade test which is next week- I just found

> out.

>

> it was a hard decision for me to put her alternate assessment and not go the

>

> regents diploma route- she is definately in what the powers that be call 'in

>

> the gray area'- she is too high functioning to really fit the current

> criteria.

>

> On the other hand, do you know what regular 9th grade math is like? The one

>

> you have to take a regents for???? I couldnt do 9th grade math without lots

>

> of refreshers now!

>

January 9, 2005

In a message dated 1/8/2005 11:12:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

In NY, an IQ score is necessary to determine some services rendered by

medicaid. In fact for medicaid, a dx of DS will not cut it alone without a

score-

the DX does not stand alone.

We have lived in NY state all of our married life. Sheila was born in NY

state. We have consistently refused to allow any quantitative testing to be done

on Sheila. (That is any testing that produces a score: standard deviations,

stanines, %, etc.) But Sheila has been receiving services right from birth on

and

has a Community and Home Based Waiver--which includes Medicaid. ;-)

nancy

January 9, 2005

In a message dated 1/8/2005 11:12:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

In NY, an IQ score is necessary to determine some services rendered by

medicaid. In fact for medicaid, a dx of DS will not cut it alone without a

score-

the DX does not stand alone.

We have lived in NY state all of our married life. Sheila was born in NY

state. We have consistently refused to allow any quantitative testing to be done

on Sheila. (That is any testing that produces a score: standard deviations,

stanines, %, etc.) But Sheila has been receiving services right from birth on

and

has a Community and Home Based Waiver--which includes Medicaid. ;-)

nancy

January 9, 2005

I was confused by that too. Nic has gotten Medicaid since about 1 month old, so

how do they do an IQ test on an infant? Nic's Dx of DS automatically qualifies

him for Medicaid here in PA.

Di

In NY, an IQ score is necessary to determine some services rendered by

medicaid. In fact for medicaid, a dx of DS will not cut it alone without a

score- the DX does not stand alone.

We have lived in NY state all of our married life. Sheila was born in NY

state. We have consistently refused to allow any quantitative testing to be

done

on Sheila. (That is any testing that produces a score: standard deviations,

stanines, %, etc.) But Sheila has been receiving services right from birth on

and

has a Community and Home Based Waiver--which includes Medicaid. ;-)

nancy

January 9, 2005

I was confused by that too. Nic has gotten Medicaid since about 1 month old, so

how do they do an IQ test on an infant? Nic's Dx of DS automatically qualifies

him for Medicaid here in PA.

Di

In NY, an IQ score is necessary to determine some services rendered by

medicaid. In fact for medicaid, a dx of DS will not cut it alone without a

score- the DX does not stand alone.

We have lived in NY state all of our married life. Sheila was born in NY

state. We have consistently refused to allow any quantitative testing to be

done

on Sheila. (That is any testing that produces a score: standard deviations,

stanines, %, etc.) But Sheila has been receiving services right from birth on

and

has a Community and Home Based Waiver--which includes Medicaid. ;-)

nancy

January 9, 2005

In a message dated 1/9/2005 7:05:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

An informed parent by this time will have all of their ducks in a row

in preparation for the IQ question.

One of the simple things I did to help get my ducks in a row was make a call

to our State Ed department and I asked them what kind of testing they require.

Well, they hemmed and hawed and past the call around (each time I asked for

the name and spelling of said name) until someone was willing to tell me that

observations and statements from everyone -including the parents fills the

testing requirement (this is considered qualitative data collection, or

testing).

Then the first time I refused to have quantitative testing done I got, " but

the state requires it " I was able to say: " According to Mr. High Mucky Muck of

the State Ed department this is what they require... "

nancy (mom of , Sheila-Ds, and Colleen)

January 9, 2005

In a message dated 1/9/2005 7:05:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

An informed parent by this time will have all of their ducks in a row

in preparation for the IQ question.

One of the simple things I did to help get my ducks in a row was make a call

to our State Ed department and I asked them what kind of testing they require.

Well, they hemmed and hawed and past the call around (each time I asked for

the name and spelling of said name) until someone was willing to tell me that

observations and statements from everyone -including the parents fills the

testing requirement (this is considered qualitative data collection, or

testing).

Then the first time I refused to have quantitative testing done I got, " but

the state requires it " I was able to say: " According to Mr. High Mucky Muck of

the State Ed department this is what they require... "

nancy (mom of , Sheila-Ds, and Colleen)

January 9, 2005

In a message dated 1/9/2005 9:58:00 PM Eastern Standard Time,

leslie-kerrigan@... writes:

>

> has always gotten OT and PT. It is my understanding that the

> " Qualifying Handicapping Condition " gets the IEP, but what goals and

> services are determined to be " Educationally necessary " are then

> determined by the team. We have had no problems with this. She was

> qualified as DD in MD (as an infant/toddler), then Regional qualified

> has as MR when we moved back to CA, and then her preschool team

> recatagorized her 3 years ago before we transitioned to kindergarten as

> " Speech and language impaired " because her assessments put her at " age

> appropriate " in several areas, and they were afraid if the put MR

> (without testing), if someone looked at her assessments, it would be a

> red flag.

>

--- techinically she shouldn't get OT/PT under speech & language BUT it can

happen that a school district will slide some things in that technically they

shouldn't... but if it works for you I wouldn't complain (!).

I had a similar situation had with my son who has CAPD. The school gave him

OT services for his handwriting even tho they didn' t really qualify him under

Orthopedically Impaired (or any other category for that matter) but since I

had been fighting them for 2 years to give him SOMETHING to help him express

himself in writing I wasn't going to argue (!).

- Becky

January 9, 2005