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The fluid thing may make her nauseous. With low tone or an

underactive digestive system she may not throw up but likely feels

like she wants to. Just a guess.

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> Hello, I am looking for some guidance on this. Here is a typical

scenario: My dd is excited to swing, we put her in the swing, she

swings for about a minute or two and she cries and wants to get out.

We just found out (through a typmanogram) that she has fluid in her

ears. And now I am wondering if she has fluid in her ears often and

that's causing her vestibular systemm to feel " funny "

or " disorganized " .( which is why she wants to get outof the swing)

I'm wondering if the two are related. Because sometimes, I would say

about 20% of the time, she is fine on the swings and is able to swing

for longer periods.( which may be when her ears are clear) She is

almost 3 and is not walking and has no speech. Any thoughts on my

theory? thanks. tara

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My baby hates to swing (even gently) at OT. Our OT calls it " gi "

for " gravitational insecurity " . This shows up in other forms of

play, too, not just movement. This is not terribly helpful

information, because, as usual, it is a symptom, not a cause! We

have made no strides in this area, I think, because we haven't gotten

to the root of the problem. I let you know if I make any exciting

discoveries. :)

in NJ

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> > Hello, I am looking for some guidance on this. Here is a typical

> scenario: My dd is excited to swing, we put her in the swing, she

> swings for about a minute or two and she cries and wants to get

out.

> We just found out (through a typmanogram) that she has fluid in her

> ears. And now I am wondering if she has fluid in her ears often

and

> that's causing her vestibular systemm to feel " funny "

> or " disorganized " .( which is why she wants to get outof the

swing)

> I'm wondering if the two are related. Because sometimes, I would

say

> about 20% of the time, she is fine on the swings and is able to

swing

> for longer periods.( which may be when her ears are clear) She is

> almost 3 and is not walking and has no speech. Any thoughts on my

> theory? thanks. tara

> >

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Now that you mention it hated the baby swing. Oh well,

rambling I guess. Hope you figure it out just the same.

> > >

> > > Hello, I am looking for some guidance on this. Here is a

typical

> > scenario: My dd is excited to swing, we put her in the swing,

she

> > swings for about a minute or two and she cries and wants to get

> out.

> > We just found out (through a typmanogram) that she has fluid in

her

> > ears. And now I am wondering if she has fluid in her ears often

> and

> > that's causing her vestibular systemm to feel " funny "

> > or " disorganized " .( which is why she wants to get outof the

> swing)

> > I'm wondering if the two are related. Because sometimes, I would

> say

> > about 20% of the time, she is fine on the swings and is able to

> swing

> > for longer periods.( which may be when her ears are clear) She is

> > almost 3 and is not walking and has no speech. Any thoughts on my

> > theory? thanks. tara

> > >

> > >

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Yes. I will let everyone know. i checked my theory out with her OT and she

said she wouldn't have put it together, but it does make sense. After the tubes

go in, I will let you know.

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My son was like that - I used to laugh that he was the only baby

9+months old that would reach out and STOP the baby swing. If only I

had known...

I would recommend that you see an ENT for the persistent fluid in the

ears. This is a very costly thing to fix later on. We are about 2

yrs into it and still working hard. If you can't hear clearly, you

can't speak clearly.

BUT you also have to look at what is causing the fluid in the ears. I

don't want to keep pushing dietary fixes - but try no MILK or MILK

containing products.

Turns out my son has a major dairy allergy and the other two boys have

major dairy intolerances.

>

> Hello, I am looking for some guidance on this. Here is a typical

scenario: My dd is excited to swing, we put her in the swing, she

swings for about a minute or two and she cries and wants to get out.

We just found out (through a typmanogram) that she has fluid in her

ears. And now I am wondering if she has fluid in her ears often and

that's causing her vestibular systemm to feel " funny " or

" disorganized " .( which is why she wants to get outof the swing) I'm

wondering if the two are related. Because sometimes, I would say

about 20% of the time, she is fine on the swings and is able to swing

for longer periods.( which may be when her ears are clear) She is

almost 3 and is not walking and has no speech. Any thoughts on my

theory? thanks. tara

>

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Sadly neither would some docs.

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> Yes. I will let everyone know. i checked my theory out with her OT

and she said she wouldn't have put it together, but it does make

sense. After the tubes go in, I will let you know.

> :-) tara

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Tara--the vestibule system controls the other systems--after I had tubes put in

my childs ears they made a lot of progress and made clearer sounds--

mommyz7 <t_r_z@...> wrote: My son was like that - I used to laugh

that he was the only baby

9+months old that would reach out and STOP the baby swing. If only I

had known...

I would recommend that you see an ENT for the persistent fluid in the

ears. This is a very costly thing to fix later on. We are about 2

yrs into it and still working hard. If you can't hear clearly, you

can't speak clearly.

BUT you also have to look at what is causing the fluid in the ears. I

don't want to keep pushing dietary fixes - but try no MILK or MILK

containing products.

Turns out my son has a major dairy allergy and the other two boys have

major dairy intolerances.

>

> Hello, I am looking for some guidance on this. Here is a typical

scenario: My dd is excited to swing, we put her in the swing, she

swings for about a minute or two and she cries and wants to get out.

We just found out (through a typmanogram) that she has fluid in her

ears. And now I am wondering if she has fluid in her ears often and

that's causing her vestibular systemm to feel " funny " or

" disorganized " .( which is why she wants to get outof the swing) I'm

wondering if the two are related. Because sometimes, I would say

about 20% of the time, she is fine on the swings and is able to swing

for longer periods.( which may be when her ears are clear) She is

almost 3 and is not walking and has no speech. Any thoughts on my

theory? thanks. tara

>

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In a message dated 3/3/2008 1:42:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jscott@... writes:

Perhaps it is the globally dyspraxic children that are milk intolerant? That

would be a good poll...... Knowledge is power!

I am unsure if Asa is milk intolerant or not. It's my desire to get ALL of

my kids off of milk and most of dairy products only because I don't like the

whole idea of milk for people anyway. I myself am NOT a milk drinker-- can't

stand the stuff unless I have it with cereal which is a rarity.

I have taken him off of drinking milk itself though-- and can't say that I

noticed a HUGE difference in his overall abilities, but then again, we were

experiencing a GREAT leap and bound with his motor skills in general due to

" good neuro days " before I attempted taking milk away. I can't link it one way

or another-- but I'll let you know what I find out in the meantime

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In a message dated 3/3/2008 2:40:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jscott@... writes:

I am going to ask you once more, very nicely, to change your tone with

regards to your posts. Please google and look up the MYRIAD of websites that

exist

re NUMEROUS ENT doctors which indicate that the MOST COMMON

allergen/intolerancI am going to ask you once more, very

I just wanted to put my thoughts in on this. I go to regular, ole

mainstream pediatricians, but this is one of the FIRST THINGS they will say in

regards to recurring ear problems and congestion. They will outright make the

comment to have the parent take the child off of all dairy and see if it makes

a

difference, and they also mention wheat.

So I can say that yes, in the case of our particular pediatricians and any

that we've EVER been to in the last 19 yrs, will say that Dairy is one of the

most common allergens/reasons for congestion in milk

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Speaking of milk intolerances--I was just thinking about something.

I know a few people have mentioned RAW milk as an alternative to typical

milk found in the stores. Growing up, I had SEVERE ear infections. I always had

one--- always! Now, keep in mind, in my other post I said that I'm not much

of a milk drinker. BACK THEN-- I WAS! As a child, I loved milk and my

mother got RAW MILK from a local farmer. Now-- out of 3 children that she had,

all of us were on raw milk growing up.

Would you guess that ALL THREE of us now are not milk drinkers by choice

because of the effects that we feel on our digestive systems. I believe that

all of us are now milk intolerant-- if my own symptoms have much to say about

it.

But my point is that personally speaking-- I don't believe it's a case

between raw or typical milk, but just milk in general.

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In a message dated 3/3/2008 3:46:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

myra.bauza@... writes:

Does milk have to be gone entirely? I give my son Lactaid. I've been trying

to wean him down but it's really difficult. I would say he is addicted to

it.

It's interesting that you ask this and also that you said something about

thinking that he is addicted to milk. I've thought the SAME thing with my NT

kids these days! I've been trying to wean ALL of my kids from milk in

general, and I've noticed that at least one of them, if not two, have shown

some

great resistance but it's almost as if they NEED those sugars provided in the

milk or something. It's odd really--- but like you said, an addiction almost.

With the one I've noticed it stronger than the others, and oddly enough he is

a MAJOR sugar addict as well. If I hide things with sugar, he will scour the

house looking for it to get a " fix " .

As I typed that out-- I'm totally making the connection-- shoot, I wonder if

he's got a systemic yeast issue going on. Darn it-- why did THAT take so long

to wonder??? <sigh>

Yet another thing to look into

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In a message dated 3/3/2008 3:22:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

kiddietalk@... writes:

" Approximately 2% of the pediatric population is affected by cow's

milk allergy. Moreover the condition tends to be outgrown by 5 years

of age. "

I'd have to totally disagree with this statement-- just in speaking about

personal experiences and people I know. I am POSITIVE that well over 70% of my

friends and their children experience milk intolerance or allergy. Maybe we

have to make the distinction between intolerance and allergry??? I know that

most people will SAY allergy but it really is an intolerance? Maybe that's

where the statement is askew-- because I know more than 2% that have milk

issues and they don't outgrow them, but the problems seem to WORSEN throughout

the years

(almost 12 close friends of mine and I were recently out and we talked about

stomach issues, and it seems as though 10 of the 12 have dairy issues and

can no longer tolerate it, when they could as children, but it's got

increasingly worse as they get older)

interesting things we've been talking about lately-- that's for sure! LOL

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Janice please provide reference links from credible sources for these

statments I have in quotes that you just wrote:

" milk...causes drooling, decreases sensation in the hands, the feet,

the face esp the lips. Ever notice that your child doesn't feel the

goop on his face when eating or the drool spilling out of his mouth?

It is because he has lost sensation in his face as well as other

extremities. "

If milk did all of the above why aren't more kids walking around

drooling and having novacaine facial problems since just about all over

the US anyway kids get milk every day in school? And what about

Starbucks double latte drinkers? (or for them is the novacaine facial

problems from the botox?)

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2 weeks before going off allergins we were told by the OT to buy

sweat band so she could teach my son to wipe the drool away. She was

hoping to create awareness of it in the first place. Cheek massage,

etc. caused extreme irritability as did this oral motor massager I

bought from super duper. 4 weeks after she asked me to but the sweat

bands I finally found them in the right size...and he no longer

needed them as the drooling ceased. It took a LOT longer to get rid

of the facial and neck sensitivity andI believe the cause of that to

be multi-factorial but cannot say for sure.

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For a lot of our kids, milk is a huge issue and really congests the ears and

hearing, causes drooling, decreases sensation in the hands, the feet, the face

esp the lips. Ever notice that your child doesn't feel the goop on his face

when eating or the drool spilling out of his mouth? It is because he has lost

sensation in his face as well as other extremities..... this may not be because

of the milk for your child but for my child it was a huge key. My son is not

allergic to milk but most definately intolerant. In addition, if your ears are

congested, your vestibular system is compromised as well thus it leads to poor

balance and coordination.

Perhaps it is the globally dyspraxic children that are milk intolerant? That

would be a good poll...... Knowledge is power!

Janice

Mother of Mark, 13

[sPAM]Re: [ ] Re: swinging question/vestibular

system

Tara--the vestibule system controls the other systems--after I had tubes put

in my childs ears they made a lot of progress and made clearer sounds--

mommyz7 <t_r_z@...> wrote: My son was like that - I used to laugh that

he was the only baby

9+months old that would reach out and STOP the baby swing. If only I

had known...

I would recommend that you see an ENT for the persistent fluid in the

ears. This is a very costly thing to fix later on. We are about 2

yrs into it and still working hard. If you can't hear clearly, you

can't speak clearly.

BUT you also have to look at what is causing the fluid in the ears. I

don't want to keep pushing dietary fixes - but try no MILK or MILK

containing products.

Turns out my son has a major dairy allergy and the other two boys have

major dairy intolerances.

>

> Hello, I am looking for some guidance on this. Here is a typical

scenario: My dd is excited to swing, we put her in the swing, she

swings for about a minute or two and she cries and wants to get out.

We just found out (through a typmanogram) that she has fluid in her

ears. And now I am wondering if she has fluid in her ears often and

that's causing her vestibular systemm to feel " funny " or

" disorganized " .( which is why she wants to get outof the swing) I'm

wondering if the two are related. Because sometimes, I would say

about 20% of the time, she is fine on the swings and is able to swing

for longer periods.( which may be when her ears are clear) She is

almost 3 and is not walking and has no speech. Any thoughts on my

theory? thanks. tara

>

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nicely put Janice...I remembered being almost eaten alive when I agreed

with someone connecting " slow " with Apraxia when I meant " slow " as in

response time and processing time and " she " interpreted it as me saying

mentally " slow " as in retarded. That loop went on and on .....I was almost

tempted to leave this post until you knocked some sense into the whole

conversation.

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Milk was the culprit for us too. Once the milk was gone, the congestion

was gone, the drool was gone and the sensitivity to loud noises was gone.

Janice wrote:

> For a lot of our kids, milk is a huge issue and really congests the ears and

hearing, causes drooling, decreases sensation in the hands, the feet, the face

esp the lips. Ever notice that your child doesn't feel the goop on his face

when eating or the drool spilling out of his mouth? It is because he has lost

sensation in his face as well as other extremities..... this may not be because

of the milk for your child but for my child it was a huge key. My son is not

allergic to milk but most definately intol

> erant. In addition, if your ears are congested, your vestibular system is

compromised as well thus it leads to poor balance and coordination.

>

> Perhaps it is the globally dyspraxic children that are milk intolerant? That

would be a good poll...... Knowledge is power!

>

> Janice

> Mother of Mark, 13

>

>

> [sPAM]Re: [ ] Re: swinging question/vestibular

system

>

>

> Tara--the vestibule system controls the other systems--after I had tubes put

in my childs ears they made a lot of progress and made clearer sounds--

>

> mommyz7 <t_r_z@...> wrote: My son was like that - I used to laugh that

he was the only baby

> 9+months old that would reach out and STOP the baby swing. If only I

> had known...

>

> I would recommend that you see an ENT for the persistent fluid in the

> ears. This is a very costly thing to fix later on. We are about 2

> yrs into it and still working hard. If you can't hear clearly, you

> can't speak clearly.

>

> BUT you also have to look at what is causing the fluid in the ears. I

> don't want to keep pushing dietary fixes - but try no MILK or MILK

> containing products.

>

> Turns out my son has a major dairy allergy and the other two boys have

> major dairy intolerances.

>

>

> >

> > Hello, I am looking for some guidance on this. Here is a typical

> scenario: My dd is excited to swing, we put her in the swing, she

> swings for about a minute or two and she cries and wants to get out.

> We just found out (through a typmanogram) that she has fluid in her

> ears. And now I am wondering if she has fluid in her ears often and

> that's causing her vestibular systemm to feel " funny " or

> " disorganized " .( which is why she wants to get outof the swing) I'm

> wondering if the two are related. Because sometimes, I would say

> about 20% of the time, she is fine on the swings and is able to swing

> for longer periods.( which may be when her ears are clear) She is

> almost 3 and is not walking and has no speech. Any thoughts on my

> theory? thanks. tara

> >

> >

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Actually you did said for a " lot " of our kids. Here's the exact

quote from you that I answered:

" For a lot of our kids, milk is a huge issue and really congests the

ears and

hearing, causes drooling, decreases sensation in the hands, the feet,

the face

esp the lips. Ever notice that your child doesn't feel the goop on

his face

when eating or the drool spilling out of his mouth? It is because he

has lost

sensation in his face as well as other extremities "

Perhaps instead you could have written that we all know that children

need to avoid anything they are allergic to prevent any serious

complications -however for the 2% of the pediatric population under

the age of 5, that " fill in above quote here " But even then I

would start with " milk can be " and not " milk is "

" Approximately 2% of the pediatric population is affected by cow's

milk allergy. Moreover the condition tends to be outgrown by 5 years

of age. "

http://www.nationaldairycouncil.org/NR/rdonlyres/69867157-06CD-41ED-98BC-8B45402\

03C4A/0/dcd773.pdf

It's like if I wrote " If you drink water and you have symptoms like

nausea and muscle cramps it means you can die " Instead of sharing

information about a rare but possible complication from drinking too

much water too quickly. That is what I mean by sharing credible

links and not just my own opinion. And if it is just your opinion

and your child's reaction -then state that.

Symptoms of Hyponatremia

The early warning signs are often subtle and may be similar to

dehydration and include nausea, muscle cramps, disorientation,

slurred speech, and confusion. At this point, many athletes drink

more water because they think they are dehydrated. Unfortunately,

water alone will increase the problem of hyponatremia. At the most

extreme an athlete may experience seizures, coma, or death.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/hydrationandfluid/a/Hyponatremia.htm

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000394.htm

http://www.yourmedicaldetective.com/public/446.cfm

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Our stories are similar. I have seen some of these things related to

milk problems but when I googled milk allergy drooling did not come

up yet that is a GERD sign. It will be interesting to see if anyone

tests outright milk allergic in our house.

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Does milk have to be gone entirely? I give my son Lactaid. I've been trying

to wean him down but it's really difficult. I would say he is addicted to

it.

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It is evident to me from the context of this communication that she

is speaking from personal experience and of a potential reaction in

children who have a milk intolerance or allergy.

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I believe that I am referring to my OWN child here as I do with ALL of my posts.

If you misinterpreted this to mean all children, then I do apologize.

I am going to ask you once more, very nicely, to change your tone with regards

to your posts. Please google and look up the MYRIAD of websites that exist re

NUMEROUS ENT doctors which indicate that the MOST COMMON allergen/intolerance

found which congests the ears is milk.

When I was going through this with my son, I absolutely did not want to give up

the pleasures of milk and so did my own research WHICH I ADVISE EVERY MOTHER TO

DO before making ANY decision with her child btw.

I will do this ONCE.... here is a link to studies on this subject and then I

would appreciate it if you did your own research as I have already done mine! I

have no use for the types of challenges that you have been BERATING the other

mothers with these past few days. It is getting insulting, patronizing and

absolutely counter-productive. I have better things to do then to endure your

chronic insults and rude behaviour.

I have watched your insults flood this board consistently over and over again

these past couple of months; I have begged with you to change your manner but

still you are hurtful to others. Perhaps you need to reread your messages and

really do some self-evaluation before you press the send key?

If you google Otis Media along with milk allergy, you can find pages and pages

of documents on this subject..... Ask any ENT what the cause of chronic Otis

Media is and he will tell you either a low-grade persistent infection deep

inside the ear OR an unaddressed allergy.... the most common of which is MILK!

I have already presented research on this before and so PLEASE, I am trying to

be polite here, STOP this nonsense of critisizing EVERYONE who presents valued

information to the mothers. It is getting tough to be nice to you. I value

your knowledge on speech therapy but that is where it ends. You don't know what

it is like to have a child with global dyspraxia! You are not the authority on

all of the remedies and I must tell you that mean-spirited nature of most of

your messages lately is ruining this board.

Thus in response to your challenge of which I want to hear absolutely NOT ONE

MORE NASTY TONED POST on this subject..... here is just one link but please feel

free to peruse the thousands and thousands of ENT websites that warn of allergy

issues with regards to ear congestion.....

I am beginning to feel like I am parenting an adolescent child here......

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8092554?ordinalpos=1 & itool=EntrezSystem2.PEnt\

rez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlusDrugs1

Role of food allergy in serous otitis media.

Nsouli TM, Nsouli SM, Linde RE, O'Mara F, Scanlon RT, Bellanti JA.

Department of Pediatrics, town University School of Medicine, Washington,

DC.

OBJECTIVE. The purpose of the present study was to examine the prevalence of

food allergy in patients with recurrent serous otitis media. METHODS. A total of

104 unselected patients (age range 1.5 to 9 years, mean 4.6 years) with

recurrent serous otitis media were evaluated for food allergy by means of skin

prick testing, specific IgE tests, and food challenge. Patients who were

allergic to food(s) underwent an exclusion diet of the specific offending

food(s) for a period of 16 weeks. A non-double blinded food challenge was

performed with the suspected offending food(s). Their middle ear effusion was

monitored and assessed by tympanometry (Welch Allyn Model 23600) during the

pre-elimination, elimination and challenge diet phases. RESULTS. There was a

significant statistical association, by chi-square analysis, between food

allergy and recurrent serous otitis media in 81/104 patients (78%). The

elimination diet led to a significant amelioration of serous otitis media in

70/81 (86%) patients as assessed by clinical evaluation and tympanometry. The

challenge diet with the suspected offending food(s) provoked a recurrence of

serous otitis media in 66/70 patients (94%). CONCLUSIONS. The possibility of

food allergy should be considered in all pediatric patients with recurrent

serous otitis media and a diligent search for the putative food allergen made

for proper diagnostic and therapeutic intervention.

PMID: 8092554 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.clinicalanswers.nhs.uk/index.cfm?question=614

..

" we did locate two primary studies and a review article examining cow's

milk allergy as a potential risk factor for recurrent otitis media (ROM) in

children rather than young children.

Tikkanen and colleagues enrolled 56 children, at the age of 10 years, with

an allergy to cow's milk and 204 age-matched controls. All children " underwent

clinical examinations and skin prick tests (SPT), and their IgE-specific

antibodies to milk and five other food allergens were determined. " The authors

presented the following results:

. By the age of 10 y, all but four subjects had become tolerant to at

least small amounts of milk protein. However, gastrointestinal symptoms relating

to more abundant milk consumption were reported by 45% of the study subjects and

15% of the controls (p < 0.001).

. The incidence figures for asthma, allergic rhinitis and dermatitis, as

well as the occurrence of recurrent otitis, were three to four times higher than

in the controls.

. Positive SPTs were seen in two-thirds of the subjects, the figure being

highest (83%) in those with dermatitis onset CMA. Seven subjects showed positive

titres of IgE-class milk-specific antibodies, and five showed a clinical

response.

Tikkanen et al concluded that, " This re-examination study showed that CMA

in infancy, even when properly treated, has significant clinical consequences by

posing special risks for respiratory atopy and persistence of atopic dermatitis

as well as positive SPT and recurrent ear infections. However, each of these

clinical manifestations seems to have an independent curriculum unrelated to the

persistence of CMA itself. " [1]

A year earlier in 1999, the same group conducted a cohort study of 56

milk-allergic and 204 control school children " to determine whether cow's milk

allergy (CMA) in infancy is associated with recurrent otitis media (ROM). "

Juntti et al also examined the association between ear problems and different

atopic manifestations. The group reported the following findings:

. " A higher proportion of children with CMA had had ROM. defined as at

least 15 acute otitis media episodes by the age of 10 years (27%, vs 12%, p =

0.009), and had undergone adenoidectomy and or tympanostomy compared with the

controls (48%, vs 28%, p = 0.005). However, this was only true of the children

who had developed respiratory atopy.

. Asthma and/or allergic rhinitis, but not atopic dermatitis, posed a

significant risk for ROM, while all the three atopic manifestations enhanced the

risk for secretory otitis media.

. Positive skin prick tests with food, but not with inhaled allergens,

tended to be associated with ear problems. "

Based on this findings, the authors concluded that, " children with CMA in

infancy, even when properly treated, had experienced significantly more ROM, the

risk associating with concomitant development of respiratory atopy. [2]

Arroyave's multicase review involving 25 patients (children) with

recurrent otitis media with effusion and food allergy found, " the most common

food to be associated was milk, egg, citrus and tomato " . Furthermore, " The

elimination of the food diet led to a significant amelioration of the otitis in

22 patients, in whom clinical and tympanometry evaluation was performed. The

challenge diet with suspected offending food provoked a recurrence of the otitis

problem. " [3]

References

1. Tikkanen S, Kokkonen J, Juntti H et al. Status of children with cow's

milk allergy in infancy by 10 years of age. Acta Paediatr. 2000

Oct;89(10):1174-80.

(http://www.hubmed.org/display.cgi?issn=08035253 & uids=11083371).

2. Juntti H, Tikkanen S, Kokkonen J et al. Cow's milk allergy is

associated with recurrent otitis media during childhood. Acta Otolaryngol.

1999;119(8):867-73.

(http://www.hubmed.org/display.cgi?issn=00016489 & uids=10728925).

3. Arroyave CM. [Recurrent otitis media with effusion and food allergy in

pediatric patients]. Rev Alerg Mex. 2001 Sep-Oct;48(5):141-4.

(http://www.hubmed.org/display.cgi?issn= & uids=11759256).

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[sPAM][ ] Re: swinging question/vestibular system

Janice please provide reference links from credible sources for these

statments I have in quotes that you just wrote:

" milk...causes drooling, decreases sensation in the hands, the feet,

the face esp the lips. Ever notice that your child doesn't feel the

goop on his face when eating or the drool spilling out of his mouth?

It is because he has lost sensation in his face as well as other

extremities. "

If milk did all of the above why aren't more kids walking around

drooling and having novacaine facial problems since just about all over

the US anyway kids get milk every day in school? And what about

Starbucks double latte drinkers? (or for them is the novacaine facial

problems from the botox?)

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The answer to your question really depends on what in milk is a problem

if indeed milk is a problem for your child. Lactaid would solve a

lactose problem but would not address a casein issue or and other milk

issue if you have that.

>

> Does milk have to be gone entirely? I give my son Lactaid. I've been

trying

> to wean him down but it's really difficult. I would say he is

addicted to

> it.

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Milk does not seem to be the cause of my son's problems. We took my

global dyspraxic son off milk for the second time to see if it was

the cause of some of his vestibular and expressive language issues.

The first time we had him off of it for 6 months. This last time we

had him off of it for 3 weeks. No change in the vestibular and

expressive language when we added the milk back in.

However, reducing the milk intake did stop the constipation and belly

aches in my older son. We now use a lot of almond milk, enzymes,

limit the cheese snacks, and eat goat yogurt.

> > For a lot of our kids, milk is a huge issue and really congests

the ears and hearing, causes drooling, decreases sensation in the

hands, the feet, the face esp the lips. Ever notice that your child

doesn't feel the goop on his face when eating or the drool spilling

out of his mouth? It is because he has lost sensation in his face as

well as other extremities..... this may not be because of the milk

for your child but for my child it was a huge key. My son is not

allergic to milk but most definately intol

> > erant. In addition, if your ears are congested, your vestibular

system is compromised as well thus it leads to poor balance and

coordination.

> >

> > Perhaps it is the globally dyspraxic children that are milk

intolerant? That would be a good poll...... Knowledge is power!

> >

> > Janice

> > Mother of Mark, 13

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My daughter has problems with her vestibular system. Her OT said some

kids crave swinging/spinning etc. and this helps their vestibular

system develop, but Syd was very sensitive and just as you said- would

swing happily for a couple minutes and then suddenly want out NOW!

She doesn't have fluid in her ears and has never had any problems that

way. She is also fine with milk- we tried as her sister is allergic to

dairy so we were cautious from the beginning, but it made no

difference. Her OT has had us working on swinging/spinning/bouncing

etc. with her on a daily basis and after about a month she started

asking to swing- (well, pointing- she doesn't talk yet ;) We worked

up a minute at a time- tried tossing balls/toys to her, singing songs,

dancing like a freaky mom- anything to distract her and keep her

swinging for a little longer and it slowly worked. Her balance is

much better now too which I suspect is related.

>

> Hello, I am looking for some guidance on this. Here is a typical

scenario: My dd is excited to swing, we put her in the swing, she

swings for about a minute or two and she cries and wants to get out.

We just found out (through a typmanogram) that she has fluid in her

ears. And now I am wondering if she has fluid in her ears often and

that's causing her vestibular systemm to feel " funny " or

" disorganized " .( which is why she wants to get outof the swing) I'm

wondering if the two are related. Because sometimes, I would say

about 20% of the time, she is fine on the swings and is able to swing

for longer periods.( which may be when her ears are clear) She is

almost 3 and is not walking and has no speech. Any thoughts on my

theory? thanks. tara

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