Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Nan you and your family are truly kind people. You make this all worthwhile. Your mom would have been proud of you. Fay Bayuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 This is incorrect. Erroneous advice, no matter how well meaning, will not be in your best interest and could hurt you. Get competent advice from an experienced attorney. Then you'll have a better understanding of what's involved. Been there – done that. RNY 11/28/01 >BUT, as far as a law suit goes, don't be too > sure that you have a case. You have to meet a few criteria for a >law > suit. One of them is that the actions caused you harm. Other then > frustration, I see where no harm has happened. The second is that > the harm was intentional. I am sure that there was NO intention to > cause you frustration here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 This is incorrect. Erroneous advice, no matter how well meaning, will not be in your best interest and could hurt you. Get competent advice from an experienced attorney. Then you'll have a better understanding of what's involved. Been there – done that. RNY 11/28/01 >BUT, as far as a law suit goes, don't be too > sure that you have a case. You have to meet a few criteria for a >law > suit. One of them is that the actions caused you harm. Other then > frustration, I see where no harm has happened. The second is that > the harm was intentional. I am sure that there was NO intention to > cause you frustration here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Bobby, so is what your saying that you willingly went to a hospital that has substandard care level not once, but twice? Brings to mind the old saying " fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me " . KathyM > Fay - > > As I have stated many times, I am NOT a litigious individual, however, I take > exception to your statement (and, am somewhat offended) by " how much damage " > I " want to do to everyone concerned. " With all due respect, this is an > incredible statement. How much damage I want to do? Huuummm. > > Fay, I am hopeful that you understand that the medical profession is held to > a MUCH HIGHER STANDARD than you or I. Again, yes, we are ALL fallible, we > ALL make mistakes. However, if NO ONE speaks up, a more serious mistake can > happen to YOU or YOUR LOVED ONE next time. > > It all boils down to standard of care as well as professional ethics. I have > had 2 previous standard of care issues with this same hospital (which I did > not go into). > > This is strike 3, and my expectations for this facility have been greatly > reduced (from my past experiences) from expecting to receive adequate care, > to just being thankful that I come home alive. This may be a dramatic > statement, but what a sad commentary when a patient should have to overlook > good and decent before/during/and aftercare, and have the sole expectation of > simply " coming home alive. " At this point, the old adage of " all's well that > ends well " does not cut it for me. > > My previous negative experiences (at this same hospital) occurred during a > c-section (10 years ago) AND my WLS, almost 2 years ago. I remained > grounded, after these issues, and " overlooked " standard of care > oversights/errors connected with these surgeries. > > One was with O.R. staff allowing my epidural to expire PRIOR to the surgeon > cutting into me during a c-section, allowing me to FEEL EVERYTHING and > resulting in me going into immediate shock from the pain of the c- section > incision and the tearing of the tissue into the uterus. Despite my crys for > help, despite all monitors indicating I was in distress from pain, the > surgeon could not do anything but continue, nor anesthetize me UNTIL the > baby's head came out. This was a serious issue, and I was almost lost from > shock. > > I had asked about the IV as I was rolled into the OR for the c- section (it > was NOT an emergency situation). I saw it was extremely low. By the time > they cut, it had run out. My pleas' to the OR staff nurses was disregarded > and that O.R. " oversight " resulted in me being placed me in grave danger. I > never pursued this, I counted my blessings, went on with my life and my > records indicate the truth of the matter. > > I will not go into the second incident that occurred with my nursing care > during my WLS. > > I now am drawing the line on this one. This is strike three for this > facility, that I am forced to go to as my PPO. This is not MY fight. This > is not a money-making endeavor on my part. This is a fight for ALL who go > AFTER me, or God forbid, for me, should I need the services of this same > hospital again. > > Furthermore, a timely response to my records request, a timely response to my > concerns and a timely acknowledgment by the nurse that there had been a > mistake would have made all the difference to me. But the fact that all > parties involved (except my surgeons office not associated with the hospital) > tried to sweep with under the carpet SCREAMS something very loudly to me. > > I am hopeful, by way of my concerns, this hospital would practice more due > diligence in the future. . > > Thank you for your thoughts. > > Bobbie > Anchorage > > **************************************** > > <<Here comes the But. But, how much damage do you want to do to everyone > concerned. Most of us do the best we can. If I could get sued for my > mistakes I would be in big trouble. How about you, are you mistake proof. >> > > My 2 cents. > > Fay Bayuk > '300/173 > 10/23/01 > Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Bobby, so is what your saying that you willingly went to a hospital that has substandard care level not once, but twice? Brings to mind the old saying " fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me " . KathyM > Fay - > > As I have stated many times, I am NOT a litigious individual, however, I take > exception to your statement (and, am somewhat offended) by " how much damage " > I " want to do to everyone concerned. " With all due respect, this is an > incredible statement. How much damage I want to do? Huuummm. > > Fay, I am hopeful that you understand that the medical profession is held to > a MUCH HIGHER STANDARD than you or I. Again, yes, we are ALL fallible, we > ALL make mistakes. However, if NO ONE speaks up, a more serious mistake can > happen to YOU or YOUR LOVED ONE next time. > > It all boils down to standard of care as well as professional ethics. I have > had 2 previous standard of care issues with this same hospital (which I did > not go into). > > This is strike 3, and my expectations for this facility have been greatly > reduced (from my past experiences) from expecting to receive adequate care, > to just being thankful that I come home alive. This may be a dramatic > statement, but what a sad commentary when a patient should have to overlook > good and decent before/during/and aftercare, and have the sole expectation of > simply " coming home alive. " At this point, the old adage of " all's well that > ends well " does not cut it for me. > > My previous negative experiences (at this same hospital) occurred during a > c-section (10 years ago) AND my WLS, almost 2 years ago. I remained > grounded, after these issues, and " overlooked " standard of care > oversights/errors connected with these surgeries. > > One was with O.R. staff allowing my epidural to expire PRIOR to the surgeon > cutting into me during a c-section, allowing me to FEEL EVERYTHING and > resulting in me going into immediate shock from the pain of the c- section > incision and the tearing of the tissue into the uterus. Despite my crys for > help, despite all monitors indicating I was in distress from pain, the > surgeon could not do anything but continue, nor anesthetize me UNTIL the > baby's head came out. This was a serious issue, and I was almost lost from > shock. > > I had asked about the IV as I was rolled into the OR for the c- section (it > was NOT an emergency situation). I saw it was extremely low. By the time > they cut, it had run out. My pleas' to the OR staff nurses was disregarded > and that O.R. " oversight " resulted in me being placed me in grave danger. I > never pursued this, I counted my blessings, went on with my life and my > records indicate the truth of the matter. > > I will not go into the second incident that occurred with my nursing care > during my WLS. > > I now am drawing the line on this one. This is strike three for this > facility, that I am forced to go to as my PPO. This is not MY fight. This > is not a money-making endeavor on my part. This is a fight for ALL who go > AFTER me, or God forbid, for me, should I need the services of this same > hospital again. > > Furthermore, a timely response to my records request, a timely response to my > concerns and a timely acknowledgment by the nurse that there had been a > mistake would have made all the difference to me. But the fact that all > parties involved (except my surgeons office not associated with the hospital) > tried to sweep with under the carpet SCREAMS something very loudly to me. > > I am hopeful, by way of my concerns, this hospital would practice more due > diligence in the future. . > > Thank you for your thoughts. > > Bobbie > Anchorage > > **************************************** > > <<Here comes the But. But, how much damage do you want to do to everyone > concerned. Most of us do the best we can. If I could get sued for my > mistakes I would be in big trouble. How about you, are you mistake proof. >> > > My 2 cents. > > Fay Bayuk > '300/173 > 10/23/01 > Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Actually, I am correct, see below for the 4 things you need for a malpractice law suit: Legal necessities of the plaintiff and the defendant As in any malpractice lawsuit, a plaintiff suing for medical malpractice must show the four elements necessary to prove negligence: duty of care, breach of duty, injury, and proximate cause. A person accused of malpractice can defend him or herself by showing that one of these elements is missing and/or by establishing an affirmative defense. An affirmative defense is a legal argument that admits the existence of the required elements, but maintains that the plaintiff is also culpable. > >BUT, as far as a law suit goes, don't be too > > sure that you have a case. You have to meet a few criteria for a > >law > > suit. One of them is that the actions caused you harm. Other then > > frustration, I see where no harm has happened. The second is that > > the harm was intentional. I am sure that there was NO intention to > > cause you frustration here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Actually, I am correct, see below for the 4 things you need for a malpractice law suit: Legal necessities of the plaintiff and the defendant As in any malpractice lawsuit, a plaintiff suing for medical malpractice must show the four elements necessary to prove negligence: duty of care, breach of duty, injury, and proximate cause. A person accused of malpractice can defend him or herself by showing that one of these elements is missing and/or by establishing an affirmative defense. An affirmative defense is a legal argument that admits the existence of the required elements, but maintains that the plaintiff is also culpable. > >BUT, as far as a law suit goes, don't be too > > sure that you have a case. You have to meet a few criteria for a > >law > > suit. One of them is that the actions caused you harm. Other then > > frustration, I see where no harm has happened. The second is that > > the harm was intentional. I am sure that there was NO intention to > > cause you frustration here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Kathy, If you read Bobbie's messages, she has no choice; it's the only hospital her health insurance plan covers. Most of us don't have the luxury of being able to self-pay for much of anything, never mind surgeries and hospital stays. I don't know about you, but that's WHY I have insurance, to get better care in a prepaid fashion. Give Bobbie a break. I'm totally on her side. This hospital, their staff, and their procedures, all need to be held accountable. That can be done without suing them, and I believe Bobbie's interested in doing just that. I've also encouraged her to document everything and to raise hell with her insurer; they should not accept such poor performance from their designated health care center... From a coldly financial standpoint, poor care will cost them more money as people have increased complications. Ziobro Open RNY 09/17/01 310/130 Re: SKIN WEIGHT - Lengthy Bobby, so is what your saying that you willingly went to a hospital that has substandard care level not once, but twice? Brings to mind the old saying " fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me " . KathyM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Kathy, If you read Bobbie's messages, she has no choice; it's the only hospital her health insurance plan covers. Most of us don't have the luxury of being able to self-pay for much of anything, never mind surgeries and hospital stays. I don't know about you, but that's WHY I have insurance, to get better care in a prepaid fashion. Give Bobbie a break. I'm totally on her side. This hospital, their staff, and their procedures, all need to be held accountable. That can be done without suing them, and I believe Bobbie's interested in doing just that. I've also encouraged her to document everything and to raise hell with her insurer; they should not accept such poor performance from their designated health care center... From a coldly financial standpoint, poor care will cost them more money as people have increased complications. Ziobro Open RNY 09/17/01 310/130 Re: SKIN WEIGHT - Lengthy Bobby, so is what your saying that you willingly went to a hospital that has substandard care level not once, but twice? Brings to mind the old saying " fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me " . KathyM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Ok, after reading her history with the hospital, the whole thing makes much more sense. I think we need to end this discussion. She did a good job waking them up and we should applaud her. Fay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Ok, after reading her history with the hospital, the whole thing makes much more sense. I think we need to end this discussion. She did a good job waking them up and we should applaud her. Fay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 - I'm so sorry for your mother's loss, especially under these conditions. I appreciate your thoughtful response and your unbiased obversations. Bobbie Anchorage In a message dated 3/13/03 1:39:59 PM, Graduate-OSSG writes: << Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:19:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: SKIN WEIGHT - Lengthy <<And then there are times that this attitude " isn't " taken. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 - I'm so sorry for your mother's loss, especially under these conditions. I appreciate your thoughtful response and your unbiased obversations. Bobbie Anchorage In a message dated 3/13/03 1:39:59 PM, Graduate-OSSG writes: << Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:19:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: SKIN WEIGHT - Lengthy <<And then there are times that this attitude " isn't " taken. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Unless you're a licensed attorney providing professional advice you're personal opinion is just that. Nothing wrong with opinions, but don't pass yourself off as qualified to give competent legal advice when you're not. Erroneous advice is worse than no advice at all. > > >BUT, as far as a law suit goes, don't be too > > > sure that you have a case. You have to meet a few criteria for a > > >law > > > suit. One of them is that the actions caused you harm. Other > then > > > frustration, I see where no harm has happened. The second is > that > > > the harm was intentional. I am sure that there was NO intention > to > > > cause you frustration here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Unless you're a licensed attorney providing professional advice you're personal opinion is just that. Nothing wrong with opinions, but don't pass yourself off as qualified to give competent legal advice when you're not. Erroneous advice is worse than no advice at all. > > >BUT, as far as a law suit goes, don't be too > > > sure that you have a case. You have to meet a few criteria for a > > >law > > > suit. One of them is that the actions caused you harm. Other > then > > > frustration, I see where no harm has happened. The second is > that > > > the harm was intentional. I am sure that there was NO intention > to > > > cause you frustration here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Vicki - I have not mentioned a malpractice lawsuit. Anything but. You alone have chosen to use those words. And your words to me did not appear supportive but aggressively uninformed. And, as " malpractice lawsuit " were your words ... not mine, you apparently are pulling from the threads what you are sensitive to. And, it this is forgiveable, given your inexperience with the law. Good luck to you in YOUR profession. Bobbie Anchorage ****************************** Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:08:36 -0000 Subject: Re: SKIN WEIGHT - Lengthy <<My post was not ment to be anything but supportive of her personally, but for her not to be disappointed if she is told she does not have a malpractice suit. >> In a message dated 3/13/03 1:39:59 PM, Graduate-OSSG writes: << Message: 15 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:08:36 -0000 Subject: Re: SKIN WEIGHT - Lengthy No need to be nasty. I am in the medical profession, and happen to know a few things about law suits related to malpractice becasue yes, I do work with attorneys. The statement below came directly from an attorney, not from my own " opinion " . And no, I am not an expert, nor did I claim to be anywhere in my post. This has obviously hit a hot button for you, and I am sorry. Maybe my wording?? My point is simply that just becasue you are unhappy, you can not sue. It does not work that way. Passing on this information was no different then any of us passing on " medical " information. None of us are docs (well maybe one or two), yet we may know a few things about what is going on with someone based on our past experiences. And no, it does not take the place of a hands on professional opinion. It is just information that we have that we are passing on. If people do not want ALL of our opinions, then they should not post questions and look for comments and support on such a diverse group as this. My point to Bobbie is that of course she is right, she has done exactly what she should have by letting everyone know of her dissatisfaction and causeing waves so that hopefully things will change BUT..... she is getting very stressed over this and this stress is just not good for her. My post was not ment to be anything but supportive of her personally, but for her not to be disappointed if she is told she does not have a malpractice suit. > Unless you're a licensed attorney providing professional advice > you're personal opinion is just that. Nothing wrong with opinions, > but don't pass yourself off as qualified to give competent legal > advice when you're not. Erroneous advice is worse than no advice at > all. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Vicki - I have not mentioned a malpractice lawsuit. Anything but. You alone have chosen to use those words. And your words to me did not appear supportive but aggressively uninformed. And, as " malpractice lawsuit " were your words ... not mine, you apparently are pulling from the threads what you are sensitive to. And, it this is forgiveable, given your inexperience with the law. Good luck to you in YOUR profession. Bobbie Anchorage ****************************** Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:08:36 -0000 Subject: Re: SKIN WEIGHT - Lengthy <<My post was not ment to be anything but supportive of her personally, but for her not to be disappointed if she is told she does not have a malpractice suit. >> In a message dated 3/13/03 1:39:59 PM, Graduate-OSSG writes: << Message: 15 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:08:36 -0000 Subject: Re: SKIN WEIGHT - Lengthy No need to be nasty. I am in the medical profession, and happen to know a few things about law suits related to malpractice becasue yes, I do work with attorneys. The statement below came directly from an attorney, not from my own " opinion " . And no, I am not an expert, nor did I claim to be anywhere in my post. This has obviously hit a hot button for you, and I am sorry. Maybe my wording?? My point is simply that just becasue you are unhappy, you can not sue. It does not work that way. Passing on this information was no different then any of us passing on " medical " information. None of us are docs (well maybe one or two), yet we may know a few things about what is going on with someone based on our past experiences. And no, it does not take the place of a hands on professional opinion. It is just information that we have that we are passing on. If people do not want ALL of our opinions, then they should not post questions and look for comments and support on such a diverse group as this. My point to Bobbie is that of course she is right, she has done exactly what she should have by letting everyone know of her dissatisfaction and causeing waves so that hopefully things will change BUT..... she is getting very stressed over this and this stress is just not good for her. My post was not ment to be anything but supportive of her personally, but for her not to be disappointed if she is told she does not have a malpractice suit. > Unless you're a licensed attorney providing professional advice > you're personal opinion is just that. Nothing wrong with opinions, > but don't pass yourself off as qualified to give competent legal > advice when you're not. Erroneous advice is worse than no advice at > all. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 No need to be nasty. I am in the medical profession, and happen to know a few things about law suits related to malpractice becasue yes, I do work with attorneys. The statement below came directly from an attorney, not from my own " opinion " . And no, I am not an expert, nor did I claim to be anywhere in my post. This has obviously hit a hot button for you, and I am sorry. Maybe my wording?? My point is simply that just becasue you are unhappy, you can not sue. It does not work that way. Passing on this information was no different then any of us passing on " medical " information. None of us are docs (well maybe one or two), yet we may know a few things about what is going on with someone based on our past experiences. And no, it does not take the place of a hands on professional opinion. It is just information that we have that we are passing on. If people do not want ALL of our opinions, then they should not post questions and look for comments and support on such a diverse group as this. My point to Bobbie is that of course she is right, she has done exactly what she should have by letting everyone know of her dissatisfaction and causeing waves so that hopefully things will change BUT..... she is getting very stressed over this and this stress is just not good for her. My post was not ment to be anything but supportive of her personally, but for her not to be disappointed if she is told she does not have a malpractice suit. > > > >BUT, as far as a law suit goes, don't be too > > > > sure that you have a case. You have to meet a few criteria for > a > > > >law > > > > suit. One of them is that the actions caused you harm. Other > > then > > > > frustration, I see where no harm has happened. The second is > > that > > > > the harm was intentional. I am sure that there was NO intention > > to > > > > cause you frustration here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 No need to be nasty. I am in the medical profession, and happen to know a few things about law suits related to malpractice becasue yes, I do work with attorneys. The statement below came directly from an attorney, not from my own " opinion " . And no, I am not an expert, nor did I claim to be anywhere in my post. This has obviously hit a hot button for you, and I am sorry. Maybe my wording?? My point is simply that just becasue you are unhappy, you can not sue. It does not work that way. Passing on this information was no different then any of us passing on " medical " information. None of us are docs (well maybe one or two), yet we may know a few things about what is going on with someone based on our past experiences. And no, it does not take the place of a hands on professional opinion. It is just information that we have that we are passing on. If people do not want ALL of our opinions, then they should not post questions and look for comments and support on such a diverse group as this. My point to Bobbie is that of course she is right, she has done exactly what she should have by letting everyone know of her dissatisfaction and causeing waves so that hopefully things will change BUT..... she is getting very stressed over this and this stress is just not good for her. My post was not ment to be anything but supportive of her personally, but for her not to be disappointed if she is told she does not have a malpractice suit. > > > >BUT, as far as a law suit goes, don't be too > > > > sure that you have a case. You have to meet a few criteria for > a > > > >law > > > > suit. One of them is that the actions caused you harm. Other > > then > > > > frustration, I see where no harm has happened. The second is > > that > > > > the harm was intentional. I am sure that there was NO intention > > to > > > > cause you frustration here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 I would ask that those members who have taken it upon themselves to privately email me with discourteous, unwelcome and uninvited comments, or those of you who may be considering doing this, refrain from continuing to do so. This thread was placed as a support group thread, on our support group list, welcome to all comments and opinions, whether agreeable to me or not. However, it is inappropriate for those of you (and you know who you are) to feel free to " come into my home " to privately critize me or my concerns, as you are neither welcome nor invited. To you " nee-sayers, " please continue to feel free, if you must, to express your feelings about my thread in PUBLIC on the PUBLIC website. I consider your private thoughts and opinions as not only intrusive, but rude, invasive, and, again, highly inappropriate. Thank you for respecting my wishes (and the rules of our list). Moderator, please correct me if I'm wrong on this. Bobbie Anchorge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 I would ask that those members who have taken it upon themselves to privately email me with discourteous, unwelcome and uninvited comments, or those of you who may be considering doing this, refrain from continuing to do so. This thread was placed as a support group thread, on our support group list, welcome to all comments and opinions, whether agreeable to me or not. However, it is inappropriate for those of you (and you know who you are) to feel free to " come into my home " to privately critize me or my concerns, as you are neither welcome nor invited. To you " nee-sayers, " please continue to feel free, if you must, to express your feelings about my thread in PUBLIC on the PUBLIC website. I consider your private thoughts and opinions as not only intrusive, but rude, invasive, and, again, highly inappropriate. Thank you for respecting my wishes (and the rules of our list). Moderator, please correct me if I'm wrong on this. Bobbie Anchorge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Thank you, Donna, for your courteous reply. Bobbie Anchorge << Bobbie, my first question to my surgeon after my tummy tuck two years ago was how much did it weigh? I asked this in the recovery room, so thats how important it was and is to me also, >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Thank you, Donna, for your courteous reply. Bobbie Anchorge << Bobbie, my first question to my surgeon after my tummy tuck two years ago was how much did it weigh? I asked this in the recovery room, so thats how important it was and is to me also, >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Haven't we heard enough about this. Perhaps you could e-mail each other privately. Pope Re: SKIN WEIGHT - Lengthy > > > > No need to be nasty. I am in the medical profession, and happen to > > know a few things about law suits related to malpractice becasue > > yes, I do work with attorneys. The statement below came directly > > from an attorney, not from my own " opinion " . And no, I am not an > > expert, nor did I claim to be anywhere in my post. This has > > obviously hit a hot button for you, and I am sorry. Maybe my > > wording?? > > > My point is simply that just becasue you are unhappy, you can not > > sue. It does not work that way. Passing on this information was no > > different then any of us passing on " medical " information. None of > > us are docs (well maybe one or two), yet we may know a few things > > about what is going on with someone based on our past experiences. > > And no, it does not take the place of a hands on professional > > opinion. It is just information that we have that we are passing on. > > If people do not want ALL of our opinions, then they should not post > > questions and look for comments and support on such a diverse group > > as this. > > > My point to Bobbie is that of course she is right, she has done > > exactly what she should have by letting everyone know of her > > dissatisfaction and causeing waves so that hopefully things will > > change BUT..... she is getting very stressed over this and this > > stress is just not good for her. > > > My post was not ment to be anything but supportive of her > > personally, but for her not to be disappointed if she is told she > > does not have a malpractice suit. > > > > > > Unless you're a licensed attorney providing professional advice > > > you're personal opinion is just that. Nothing wrong with > > opinions, > > > but don't pass yourself off as qualified to give competent legal > > > advice when you're not. Erroneous advice is worse than no advice > > at > > > all. >> > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2003 Report Share Posted March 13, 2003 Haven't we heard enough about this. Perhaps you could e-mail each other privately. Pope Re: SKIN WEIGHT - Lengthy > > > > No need to be nasty. I am in the medical profession, and happen to > > know a few things about law suits related to malpractice becasue > > yes, I do work with attorneys. The statement below came directly > > from an attorney, not from my own " opinion " . And no, I am not an > > expert, nor did I claim to be anywhere in my post. This has > > obviously hit a hot button for you, and I am sorry. Maybe my > > wording?? > > > My point is simply that just becasue you are unhappy, you can not > > sue. It does not work that way. Passing on this information was no > > different then any of us passing on " medical " information. None of > > us are docs (well maybe one or two), yet we may know a few things > > about what is going on with someone based on our past experiences. > > And no, it does not take the place of a hands on professional > > opinion. It is just information that we have that we are passing on. > > If people do not want ALL of our opinions, then they should not post > > questions and look for comments and support on such a diverse group > > as this. > > > My point to Bobbie is that of course she is right, she has done > > exactly what she should have by letting everyone know of her > > dissatisfaction and causeing waves so that hopefully things will > > change BUT..... she is getting very stressed over this and this > > stress is just not good for her. > > > My post was not ment to be anything but supportive of her > > personally, but for her not to be disappointed if she is told she > > does not have a malpractice suit. > > > > > > Unless you're a licensed attorney providing professional advice > > > you're personal opinion is just that. Nothing wrong with > > opinions, > > > but don't pass yourself off as qualified to give competent legal > > > advice when you're not. Erroneous advice is worse than no advice > > at > > > all. >> > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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