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In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:00:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

kiddietalk@... writes:

And once again " Big Pharma " has nothing to do with why you do or

don't see more sugary commercials on the TV (as if that's something

to complain about!) While some of you noticed less cereal

commercials (reason below)

I'm not sure what you're talking about in regards to this statement above.

Did I miss a post?

I understood that people were referring to Big Pharma in regards to them

being the ones who make the profit off of the vaccines. (which IS correct, by

the way)

Becky

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In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:00:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

kiddietalk@... writes:

I don't recall ever seeing a commercial

for childrens vaccines -and during prime time? I believe you but why

would you believe the commercial that you happened to see while

watching ER in your town/state is the same one that the rest of us

saw all across the US? And you mention the actor looked at the

screen and made a statement to the viewers/you -and not to one of the

other actors? Have you discussed this with anyone outside of an

online grouplist?

You've NEVER seen a commercial for children's vaccines? Wow-- we see them

all the time. It maybe the area that we live in (we're in NJ which is Big

Pharma Country without a doubt). But we consistently see vaccine commercials--

quite often.

I've spoken with several people who saw that ER episode and they were just

as appalled as I was, but unfortunately-- it was done and over-- what can you

do about it AFTER the fact?

I realize that not all towns/states will have those same commercials, but I

am sure that it wasn't limited to a local commercial only, because as I

stated IN THE EPISODE ITSELF, the show was about the virus/disease that they

had

the commercial about, and it wasn't a coincidence that it occurred-- it was

done and was planned out-- they aren't stupid.

But I digress-- this is all I'll say about the topic, lest anyone thinks

that we're all beating a dead horse here or that we're arguing about it. I'm

not here to argue or cause problems, but I DO have VERY strong opinions on

vaccinations as anyone who has had a child injured from vaccines would. Does

it

happen to EVERY child? Of course not--and we all know that.

I just wish that people would look more into ALL of the vaccines-- and do

some serious research on the issue.

ok-- I'm done!

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In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:13:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

kiddietalk@... writes:

Only the live influenza vaccine like the nasel spray is

contraindicated for pregnant women -the inactive which is the " flu

shot " is actually recommended -and guidelines have changed from when

some of us were pregnant as viruses have changed too.

" Influenza (Inactivated)

Vaccination with inactivated influenza vaccine is recommended for the

following persons who are at increased risk for severe complications

from influenza:..from influenza:..<WBR>.Women who will be pregnant dur

season. 5

--

I respect your views on the vaccination, which are obviously ones that feel

that they are safe for pregnant women.

I will just simply say that I heartily DISAGREE and will state that *most*

of the inactive flu vaccines contain either traces of thimerosol or mercury

which **ARE** completely and totally Contraindicated for pregnant women and

should not be ingested or injected.

Any of these toxins *CAN* cause problems for the baby/fetus, so why not just

NOT risk it??? Isn't that the safer bet?

We tell women to not smoke or drink in pregnancy since those are known to

cause problems. We also know that mercury and thimerosol are dangerous to the

fetuses, so why not just stay away from it altogether? It just makes good

common sense.

Ok-- I'm REALLY done on this subject. I have a very dear friend whose son

was severely damaged by what is a known case of mercury damage and it's just

very difficult to hear of people recommending for pregnant women to receive a

vaccine that is known to carry ingredients that are potentially harmful to the

baby.

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ly, I don't know any pregnant women who are getting vaccinated. I am

surprised to hear that dr's may be recommending it. My dr's definitely did not.

Carolyn

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Lately (past couple of years) I have heard that the major flu outbreaks were

with a strain that wasn't even covered in the vaccine. As one poster

previously stated, it is a hit or miss thing I guess trying to figure out what

strain will hit the most people. But this is just another reason, I stay away

from

the vaccine. Carolyn

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In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:32:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

kiddietalk@... writes:

We do get drug commercials but never saw the childhood vaccine

commercials -just the allergy/cold medicine commercials

oh ugh-- we get them all the time, and I can't STAND it! LOL

Becky

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, that was the best advice I have read so far..parents just use your

instincts that God gave you on this and all issues. I want to share with you

something relevant but I apologize for being somewhat divergent to the topic.

My special needs daughter, a few years back, had the TB test. There was a

reaction which I was told by the pediatrician meant it was a positive result and

she would have to go on a protocol of medicine for 9mths.

Something didn't feel right about this " positive " result. How did my

daughter come in contact with TB (test didn't show it was active, just that

supposedly she came into contact with TB and it could become active in the

future)?

My daughter had a home program (therapists/teachers came to her), and

unfortunately, we really didn't get out much.

So, all family members (my then almost 80 year old mother too) were tested.

The dr. wanted my husband and I to have chest xrays as well as my daughter.

Everything came out clear, and no one had a positive result.

I then contacted the CDC TB clinic in NJ and saw a specialist. He concurred

that the odds that this test was a true positive were very slim. He then asked

me if my daughter swam in pools. I told him she did (my mother's) every day

in the summer and early Fall. He said that there is a bacteria that can live

in pools (even " clean " ones) that can cause false positives in the TB test.

So, my daughter was deemed by the expert not to need the drugs for 9mths.

Sorry for the long story, but just an example of when I was glad I went with

my gut. Carolyn

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nope, didn't think it was a random guess. Just mentioning that the outbreaks

that I have heard reported on the news (CNN, etc) were not covered by the

vaccine. Carolyn

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oooooh BECKY!!!!!

You need to get on damage control immediately! RESEARCH Epsom Salts baths. If

they are okay then do LOTS and LOTS of Epsom Salts baths, 3 times a week, just

like is recommended for kids on the spectrum. This really helps with detox and

works on Mark like a charm! When he is having a bad allergic reaction/detox

reaction, I can absolutely count on the ability of those epsom salts baths to

pull all of the crap right out of him. Again, do your research first but I

don't think this will affect the baby at all. Perhaps ask the 'biomedical'

wizards on the GFCF diet site?

Research your vitamins and be sure to take good, good ones which promote the the

babies development. Watch how much milk and gluten you eat, preferably none as

that is how many of our children develop these allergies; mom drank to much milk

while pregnant!

When in your pregnancy did the dental work occur?

Do everything you can to SAFELY cleanse your system and protect the baby....

Janice

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In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:51:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jscott@... writes:

I had the chicken pox while Mark was in utero, you had the flu shot/dental

work while your son was in utero

<sigh> This is one of my biggest concerns right now.

I am newly pregnant (only 9 wks) Surprise! LOL

but I recently had the mercury fillings on the one side of my mouth removed.

I am hoping and praying that the toxic level in MY system won't go right to

the baby. :-(

I've got to remember to start taking that NCD (Natural Cellular Defense)

since I know that rids the body of toxins. I'm so glad that this topic came up

to remind me!!

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PLEASE EVERYONE JUST USE YOUR GOD GIVEN PARENT INTUITION ON MAKING THE

VACCINE DECISION. It is the ONLY reliable source for whether or not they

are right for you kids. MY big mommy intution says NO WAY! You can give me

all the science or studies but the best science to me is mother nature.

Just have to learn to listen to my gut more. Thats all.

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It's not completely hit or miss. The flu that comes here is usually the

same strains that " hit " the southern hemisphere in their winter which is our

summer. They are based on Australia in particular. It's not always the

exact strains that will hit the US, but it's more than just a hit or miss

random guess.

Miche

On 10/28/07, aigjr@... <aigjr@...> wrote:

>

> Lately (past couple of years) I have heard that the major flu outbreaks

> were

> with a strain that wasn't even covered in the vaccine. As one poster

> previously stated, it is a hit or miss thing I guess trying to figure out

> what

> strain will hit the most people. But this is just another reason, I stay

> away from

> the vaccine. Carolyn

>

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No, the " bird flu " is not in any flu shot yet. A vaccine has not been

developed.

Here is what is in the flu shot. From this site:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/composition0708.htm

" Both LAIV and TIV contain strains of influenza viruses that are

antigenically equivalent to the annually recommended strains: one influenza

A (H3N2) virus, one influenza A (H1N1) virus, and one influenza B virus.

Each year, one or more virus strains might be changed on the basis of global

surveillance for influenza viruses and the emergence and spread of new

strains. Only the H1N1 strain was changed for the recommended vaccine for

the 2007–08 influenza season, compared with the 2006–07 season "

On 10/28/07, kiddietalk <kiddietalk@...> wrote:

>

> Does the flu shot protect against the H5N1 avian influenza strain

> does anyone know? (since they keep referring to it as a " Pandemic "

> and they want to protect as many people as possible before it hits)

>

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I am sorry everyone if you all thought that I meant that I am upset over this

flu shot debate in general. I guess I didn't word it well, but I meant that

since we had already gotten the shot, I was upset that we might have made the

wrong decision. I just wish the debate had taken place before we made our

decision. ) I hope I didn't upset anyone. Aggie

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No, it doesn't protect againt the avian flu. My father got boxes of Tamiflu,

which DOES protect 'somewhat' against the avian flu for every member of our

family when the scare first appeared. We all have a box each.....all of the

kids, their spouses and the grandkids. You don't take it until symptoms first

appear. You will still get sick but you will not die, or at least that is what

'they' say. (whoever 'they' is).

Janice

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I know I just asked " > I'm not saying I disagree with what you are

saying and just wonder if

> there is some new strains of flu today that we should be aware of -

or

> is this just based on the same old flu? "

Does the flu shot protect against the H5N1 avian influenza strain

does anyone know? (since they keep referring to it as a " Pandemic "

and they want to protect as many people as possible before it hits)

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/panflu/news/oct2307who.html

Some other links

US http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-10-24-voa50.cfm

UK http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?

xml=/news/2007/10/28/nflu128.xml

NZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/4253690a11.html

and one more

http://www.newsdaily.com/index.php?feed=Science & article=UPI-1-20071007-17441600-\

bc-britain-birdflu.xml

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Aggie, thanks for clearing up that you were not upset. I took your prior

email to mean you were concerned about the issues, not upset at posters.

Carolyn

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In a message dated 10/29/2007 9:56:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

kiddietalk@... writes:

It just seems that there is so more of a sudden push which made me think

there

has to be more to it

I Agree that there is a bigger push on the vaccine this year (last year was

pretty hefty on the pushing as well)

But-- I am thinking that there is another reason behind it, and feel that

it's all about the money. If I say that outloud, however, I might sound a tad

cynical, huh? LOL ;-)

Becky

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Just wanted to share my experience as a mother and Internal Medicine PA for 7

years( I'm currently at home with my son). I worked in an extremely large

practice and we gave flu shots to pregnant women all flu season long, every

year! Most often it was the OB- GYNs sending their patients to us for the flu

shots to be given per their request. Pregnant patients are told it is wise to

be vaccinated against the flu because it's very dangerous to have high fevers

while pregnant. When I was pregnant I happily agreed to being given a flu shot.

I definitely thought this was the smart thing to do. I was working and seeing

flu patients all the time. Looking back now I don't know if I would have gotten

the shot but I surely would have checked the ingredients. I'm sure it was not

thimerosol free. I never even knew at the time to check the vaccine

ingredients, as most of the medical staff do not know the ingredients to

vaccines. As a mother to a young child I was urged to

vaccinate my son at a year old. The pediatrician who gave the first flu shot

was not my usual doctor and after administering it couldn't get out of the

office fast enough. I assumed it was thimerosol free because I was told the

office only gives mercury free shots. Upon doing my own research (unfortunately

after that stupid shot was given) I found out some flu shots still contain

mercury and I knew that one did because I remembered it was not given in a

pre-filled syringe. Usually the multidose vials contain mercury as a

preservative. The booster shot 1 month later (which is how we are told all

babies get flu shots) was given by another doctor (also not my usual) and this

time I made sure it was mercury free. This one was a prefilled syringe. When I

asked this doctor if he could check the records because I suspected the last

shot had mercury in it he said it was not documented which flu vaccine was

given. Then he proceeded to tell me that vaccines don't cause

autism and that all 3 of his sons were given shots with mercury and they're all

fine. I was so mad! Mad at that doctor who flew in and injected my son with

toxins and ran out the door. Mad at the next doctor for being so ignorant. Mad

at myself for not checking the first flu shot! I try not to blame myself now

when I was told that the office was a mercury free vaccine office, but of course

I still kick myself. My son had signs of apraxia earlier on, so I don't feel

that vaccine was the cause for anything. But I do regret it.

I hope this email doesn't offend anyone or cause people to get upset. I just

thought I would share what I experienced from both sides.

I started some of this flu shot debate last week because I was scared to give

my 2 year old a flu shot, and yet scared not to.

My final decision is to not give it. I still worry about him getting the flu

and regretting not having him vaccinated. Maybe that's the medical professional

in me being used to feeling good about vaccines. And I will add this was only

from what I learned in PA school and from my peers. Never related to making

money.

Now I'm so much more informed, mainly from being a part of this group

which encouraged me to read,read, read and read.

I do know that next time around I will do things very differently when it

comes to vaccines.

Thanks for reading.

aigjr@... wrote:

ly, I don't know any pregnant women who are getting vaccinated. I

am

surprised to hear that dr's may be recommending it. My dr's definitely did not.

Carolyn

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In a message dated 10/29/2007 11:50:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

tbniesh@... writes:

But-- I am thinking that there is another reason behind it, and feel that

it's all about the money. If I say that out loud, however, I might sound a

tad

cynical, huh? LOL ;-)

here.. let me say it out loud....

IT IS ALL ABOUT MONEY! Sad but true and more and more people are getting

smarter about it and seeing this to be the case.

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This year, our pediatrician also mentioned the vaccine for cervical cancer.

I know other moms have said they are waiting on this one, but wondering if

anyone has had the vaccine. carolyn

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I'm with ...here in Florida there are no vaccine commercials.

There weren't any in Washington state either (just left there). The

only exception is sometimes I see one for the vaccine against HPV but

it is geared toward adults not kids. And it is pretty rare to see it.

Kris

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On Oct 28, 2007, at 11:45 PM, tbniesh@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:32:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> kiddietalk@... writes:

>

> We do get drug commercials but never saw the childhood vaccine

> commercials -just the allergy/cold medicine commercials

>

> oh ugh-- we get them all the time, and I can't STAND it! LOL

>

> Becky

>

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>

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None in NM either, except for the new Gardisil for HPV. I recall seeing a

lot more of those in Michigan this time last year than I see here, but my

grandparents also have the TV on almost constantly and I watched it more

since I didn't have much else to do and there were six adults to my three

kids instead of the usual one or two adults at home. Also I believe there

was a debate in Mi at that time about whether to require the HPV vaccination

for all girls by age 12.

Miche

On 10/29/07, Haukoos <catnip9@...> wrote:

>

> I'm with ...here in Florida there are no vaccine commercials.

> There weren't any in Washington state either (just left there). The

> only exception is sometimes I see one for the vaccine against HPV but

> it is geared toward adults not kids. And it is pretty rare to see it.

>

> Kris

>

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Thanks Joy for your response. I hope you are doing well. Carolyn

>

> I have not but I have helped others get it. I know some here will disagree

> but this is one vaccine I believe in. As a child I contracted HPV ( the

> doctors guesstimate age 6, yes I was abused) by 25 I had cervical cancer. If

> More girls can get this and prevent this disease from steal another girls

> fertility then I am all for it. In our society today many girls have been or

> will be abused children with special health care needs are especially

> vunerable, it will devastate them and turn their lives apart, do not let

> this be one more thing that the abuser did to them. I encourage evy mom to

> do this for their daughters. JMHO

>

>

> 

>

> Joy

> Date: 10/30/2007 6:42:27 AM

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Janice, actually, your concerns are mine as well. I just wanted to wait a

bit to see if any negatives came out about the vaccine. However, I agree the

idea is a great one, and I hope the vaccine is successful in preventing cancer.

Carolyn

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I have not but I have helped others get it. I know some here will disagree

but this is one vaccine I believe in. As a child I contracted HPV ( the

doctors guesstimate age 6, yes I was abused) by 25 I had cervical cancer. If

More girls can get this and prevent this disease from steal another girls

fertility then I am all for it. In our society today many girls have been or

will be abused children with special health care needs are especially

vunerable, it will devastate them and turn their lives apart, do not let

this be one more thing that the abuser did to them. I encourage evy mom to

do this for their daughters. JMHO



Joy

Date: 10/30/2007 6:42:27 AM

..

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I have to agree with Janice. I had two LEAPS myself due to dysplasia and my

doctor really dissuaded me from getting the shot.

Sharon

Janice <jscott@...> wrote:

Initially, I was very excited when the Gardisal vaccine was developed.

I have had many friends who had precancerous lesions due to HPV and I have had

them myself between my first and second pregnancies. The PAP smear proved

effective in detection for all of us and then of course, one has to undergo

cryotherapy (which is not really much of a procedure) to freeze the cells and

kill them. If it is contracted and not detected until later, you then have to

have them burned off. You are then monitored for a couple of years and have PAP

smears every six months to ensure that the irregular cells do not reappear.

Luckily, this is a very slow growing infection. The doctors feel that I actually

contracted during the birth of my first child? Not sure about that one but....

Of course, if one does not have regular PAP smears, there is a very real danger

that the cells can pass into stage 4 or 5 and become true cervical cancer.

So.... it truly is essential that our girls

understand the importance of regular PAP smears as HPV is everywhere. I think

they estimate that an extremely high number of men are natural carriers (ie.

something like 80%.... a crazy number to be sure).

I was definately going to have my girl vaccinated with this until I started to

read. This vaccine is not proving to be completely safe and even the physicians

are coming out against it. There are documented instances where young ladies are

actually passing out after having been vaccinated on the way home in the car!

So, while the 'idea' of a vaccination against HPV is fantastic; I am definately

not going to use my child as a guinea pig for the rest of society. I am not sold

that this vaccine is safe. I worry that the 'testing' of this vaccine has not

been strigent enough to ensure the safety of our girls.

Janice

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This year, our pediatrician also mentioned the vaccine for cervical cancer.

I know other moms have said they are waiting on this one, but wondering if

anyone has had the vaccine. carolyn

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