Ketones and Blood Sugar ???'s--LONG

[Guest guest]

Since we're on the topic I would like to ask a question. Christian just had

the flu last weekend. He started vomiting Fri. night. We were taking his

ketones all day Sat. He continued to vomit half the day on Sat., but would eat

right after. Once I stopped giving him his bottle (of Ensure), he stopped

vomiting. So, we gave him various things to eat. Topped off w/ a syringe (2

tsp.

size) of Gatorade. We called it his " medicine. " The odd thing was that he

was acting perfectly normal on Sat. We decided, for the first time ever, to

borrow a glucometer and measure his BSL. It came back as 86. His ketones were

moderate all day, but he was keeping things down, etc. We tried through the

night to wake him and give him the syringe of " medicine " or something else, but

he would start to gag. So, by the time he woke up Sun. morning his BSL was

55. So, at 8:30 in the morning, he ate 2 popsicles and 1/2 a candy bar. He

peed right after that and it was still moderate. But it had been too soon after

for the food to have been effective. His blood sugar had gone up to 205

immediately following. At 10:30 am, he peed again. But this time his ketones

had

gone from moderate to somewhere between moderate and large. Also all morning,

even after the sugar, he was lethargic and even laid down and took a nap

right after the 10:30 pee.

So, now you've got the history. Let me ask the question. Why would the

sugar seem to make the ketones go higher? I know the BSL's and ketones are

related so I thought this would actually help. I've been searching the internet

and cannot find the answer. It's probably something simple that I'm missing.

As I said before, did inform me of the complex carbs and the

importance. And Christian did end up in the hospital overnight w/ an IV. It

gets better right? Thanks.

mom to ,6,non-RSS and Christian, 3, RSS

[Guest guest]

, the two processes responsible for maintaining blood sugar are

not exactly related - your liver is responsible for the short-term

blood sugar stability while the muscle/fat breakdown is long term,

and takes hours to have any effect. The by-product of the muscle/fat

breakdown is ketones, which are voided in the urine. Because that is

a much slower process than the fluctuations in blood sugar, eating

won't have an immediate effect on reducing ketones, only on

increasing blood sugar.

The reason his ketones were so high in the morning, was probably

because he was " fasting " overnight. While it takes a day or two for

adults to start producing ketones if they fast, RSS kids are a bit

quicker because their relatively large heads (glucose is brain food)

use up their (small) liver sugar stores much quicker.

Hope this makes some sense...

((HUGS))

Steph

> Since we're on the topic I would like to ask a question. Christian

just had

> the flu last weekend. He started vomiting Fri. night. We were

taking his

> ketones all day Sat. He continued to vomit half the day on Sat.,

but would eat

> right after. Once I stopped giving him his bottle (of Ensure), he

stopped

> vomiting. So, we gave him various things to eat. Topped off w/ a

syringe (2 tsp.

> size) of Gatorade. We called it his " medicine. " The odd thing was

that he

> was acting perfectly normal on Sat. We decided, for the first time

ever, to

> borrow a glucometer and measure his BSL. It came back as 86. His

ketones were

> moderate all day, but he was keeping things down, etc. We tried

through the

> night to wake him and give him the syringe of " medicine " or

something else, but

> he would start to gag. So, by the time he woke up Sun. morning his

BSL was

> 55. So, at 8:30 in the morning, he ate 2 popsicles and 1/2 a candy

bar. He

> peed right after that and it was still moderate. But it had been

too soon after

> for the food to have been effective. His blood sugar had gone up

to 205

> immediately following. At 10:30 am, he peed again. But this time

his ketones had

> gone from moderate to somewhere between moderate and large. Also

all morning,

> even after the sugar, he was lethargic and even laid down and took

a nap

> right after the 10:30 pee.

> So, now you've got the history. Let me ask the question. Why

would the

> sugar seem to make the ketones go higher? I know the BSL's and

ketones are

> related so I thought this would actually help. I've been searching

the internet

> and cannot find the answer. It's probably something simple that

I'm missing.

> As I said before, did inform me of the complex carbs

and the

> importance. And Christian did end up in the hospital overnight w/

an IV. It

> gets better right? Thanks.

>

>

> mom to ,6,non-RSS and Christian, 3, RSS

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Laurie-

Thanks for the response. In my research, I found that info. about the

hyperglycemia. I just didn't think it was possible in our little ones.

Christian

was in ketoacidosis. The reason they kept him was the acidosis. Thanks for

the reply.

mom to , 6, non-RSS and Christian, 3, RSS