Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 > Whew!!! On that happy note...maybe everyone should begin with > adrenal support just to be on the safe side??? > Holy crap...now I'm scared to start self treating. Maybe my > adrenals ARE a little " tired " , I don't know. I suppose we can't be certain unless we are tested. Right? Back to the drawing board. > Kathy Oops. Let me first explain here that MANY hypothyroid folks do NOT have adrenal problems, and do absolutely fine starting on natural thyroid. And.........some who did have adrenal problems, didn't know it, and started on natural thyroid, figured it out right away and got on support. NO ONE HAS DIED!! IF you suspect that you have adrenal issues, yes, please do the 24 hour saliva test, such as offered by ZRT labs--see the LINKS section. Or, check your pupils. There is an ADRENAL folder that will help you in the FILES section. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Adrenal support is a really big question here with lots of controversy and opinions. I can tell you what happened to me. I self diagnosed as most of us did and was lucky enough to find a doc who would treat me even though my TSH was " only " 2.5. I had most of the classic symptoms of HypoT. I had done no reading or research on adrenal function or connection to thyroid function. So she started me on 30 mg of armour. She did not know to do any adrenal testing either. I started the armour in Nov. 03 by Feb. 04 I had managed to get to up to 3 gr. doing Peatfield's increases of 30mg every two weeks. But I was feeling worse than when I was not taking armour. So I requested Cortef to see if it would help and we agreed on 10mg a day as both of us were afraid of steriods. I took 10 mg til July 04 by which time I was suicidually depressed and my Free T4 and T3 were so over the upper limits that the doc and I were scared. Not much if any of the armour was getting into my tissues. It was all swimming around in my blood stream. So in July I increased to 20mg and got off the armour for 10days. By day 2 I felt like I did when I was 20. The best I had felt in years. On day 11 I started back on armour at 1 gr. and began the long increase trek. We did a Free T4 and T3 test and they came back normal for the first time. So I have stayed on 20mg Cortef from July 04 til Feb 05 when I developed itching which is a common side effect of Cortef so I have transitioned to Isocort which seems to be working. But even with the adrenal support I can not get to 5 gr. without going hyper. So my adrenals were and still are very weak and I am not optimized even at 5 gr. So we can need adrenal support and not know it til it becomes pretty bad. I think it should be one of the things tested if one can afford testing because it has great impact on treatment. Deb Re: Re: Self medicating >>Whew!!! On that happy note...maybe everyone should begin with adrenal support just to be on the safe side??? Holy crap...now I'm scared to start self treating. Maybe my adrenals ARE a little " tired " , I don't know. I suppose we can't be certain unless we are tested. Right? Back to the drawing board. << This is exactly what I was hoping to avert. It is NOT dangerous to start thyroid treatment IF you go slowly. By going slowly you will know LONG before any damage is done if you need adrenal support. Starting adrenal support if you do not need it WILL make you sick. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Adrenal support is a really big question here with lots of controversy and opinions. I can tell you what happened to me. I self diagnosed as most of us did and was lucky enough to find a doc who would treat me even though my TSH was " only " 2.5. I had most of the classic symptoms of HypoT. I had done no reading or research on adrenal function or connection to thyroid function. So she started me on 30 mg of armour. She did not know to do any adrenal testing either. I started the armour in Nov. 03 by Feb. 04 I had managed to get to up to 3 gr. doing Peatfield's increases of 30mg every two weeks. But I was feeling worse than when I was not taking armour. So I requested Cortef to see if it would help and we agreed on 10mg a day as both of us were afraid of steriods. I took 10 mg til July 04 by which time I was suicidually depressed and my Free T4 and T3 were so over the upper limits that the doc and I were scared. Not much if any of the armour was getting into my tissues. It was all swimming around in my blood stream. So in July I increased to 20mg and got off the armour for 10days. By day 2 I felt like I did when I was 20. The best I had felt in years. On day 11 I started back on armour at 1 gr. and began the long increase trek. We did a Free T4 and T3 test and they came back normal for the first time. So I have stayed on 20mg Cortef from July 04 til Feb 05 when I developed itching which is a common side effect of Cortef so I have transitioned to Isocort which seems to be working. But even with the adrenal support I can not get to 5 gr. without going hyper. So my adrenals were and still are very weak and I am not optimized even at 5 gr. So we can need adrenal support and not know it til it becomes pretty bad. I think it should be one of the things tested if one can afford testing because it has great impact on treatment. Deb Re: Re: Self medicating >>Whew!!! On that happy note...maybe everyone should begin with adrenal support just to be on the safe side??? Holy crap...now I'm scared to start self treating. Maybe my adrenals ARE a little " tired " , I don't know. I suppose we can't be certain unless we are tested. Right? Back to the drawing board. << This is exactly what I was hoping to avert. It is NOT dangerous to start thyroid treatment IF you go slowly. By going slowly you will know LONG before any damage is done if you need adrenal support. Starting adrenal support if you do not need it WILL make you sick. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 Adrenal support is a really big question here with lots of controversy and opinions. I can tell you what happened to me. I self diagnosed as most of us did and was lucky enough to find a doc who would treat me even though my TSH was " only " 2.5. I had most of the classic symptoms of HypoT. I had done no reading or research on adrenal function or connection to thyroid function. So she started me on 30 mg of armour. She did not know to do any adrenal testing either. I started the armour in Nov. 03 by Feb. 04 I had managed to get to up to 3 gr. doing Peatfield's increases of 30mg every two weeks. But I was feeling worse than when I was not taking armour. So I requested Cortef to see if it would help and we agreed on 10mg a day as both of us were afraid of steriods. I took 10 mg til July 04 by which time I was suicidually depressed and my Free T4 and T3 were so over the upper limits that the doc and I were scared. Not much if any of the armour was getting into my tissues. It was all swimming around in my blood stream. So in July I increased to 20mg and got off the armour for 10days. By day 2 I felt like I did when I was 20. The best I had felt in years. On day 11 I started back on armour at 1 gr. and began the long increase trek. We did a Free T4 and T3 test and they came back normal for the first time. So I have stayed on 20mg Cortef from July 04 til Feb 05 when I developed itching which is a common side effect of Cortef so I have transitioned to Isocort which seems to be working. But even with the adrenal support I can not get to 5 gr. without going hyper. So my adrenals were and still are very weak and I am not optimized even at 5 gr. So we can need adrenal support and not know it til it becomes pretty bad. I think it should be one of the things tested if one can afford testing because it has great impact on treatment. Deb Re: Re: Self medicating >>Whew!!! On that happy note...maybe everyone should begin with adrenal support just to be on the safe side??? Holy crap...now I'm scared to start self treating. Maybe my adrenals ARE a little " tired " , I don't know. I suppose we can't be certain unless we are tested. Right? Back to the drawing board. << This is exactly what I was hoping to avert. It is NOT dangerous to start thyroid treatment IF you go slowly. By going slowly you will know LONG before any damage is done if you need adrenal support. Starting adrenal support if you do not need it WILL make you sick. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 I wonder if in the " olden days " the doctors let their patients get as far gone, hypothyroid and adrenal sick as the AMA white-coats have let some of us get? .... Dr. Broda mentions the risk of death by giving thyroid to people with low adrenal function. ... By far the majority of worse cases will just end up in the hospital with an adrenal crisis. But, the reason I warn is because of what happened to me. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 I wonder if in the " olden days " the doctors let their patients get as far gone, hypothyroid and adrenal sick as the AMA white-coats have let some of us get? .... Dr. Broda mentions the risk of death by giving thyroid to people with low adrenal function. ... By far the majority of worse cases will just end up in the hospital with an adrenal crisis. But, the reason I warn is because of what happened to me. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2005 Report Share Posted February 23, 2005 I wonder if in the " olden days " the doctors let their patients get as far gone, hypothyroid and adrenal sick as the AMA white-coats have let some of us get? .... Dr. Broda mentions the risk of death by giving thyroid to people with low adrenal function. ... By far the majority of worse cases will just end up in the hospital with an adrenal crisis. But, the reason I warn is because of what happened to me. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Hi: I have a few questions if that's ok. My son has autism and is 20 and I have been trying to get help with having a thyroid issue diagnosed. I truly believe he is hypothyroid, has many many symptoms and I did the iodine patch test for a week and the stain never stayed 24 hrs and his morning temp on average was 96.1. I just had him to a endo and I am not holding my breath with her. My question is: Is anyone on this list NOT using a doctor to treat their thyroid issues. I am nervous about doing this on my own. I was advised to redo the iodine stain until it stays 24 hrs and then support his thyroid with supplements. What I am confused about is do I start giving him iodine supplements after the stain is present for 24 hrs. During the week I was doing this test his mood was the best I have seen since he was a little boy. Any thoughts or paths I should take? Thank you Eileen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Elaine, Last year when my son was so severely depressed he tried suicide the one thing that seemed to calm him was iodine. He takes Naka iodine about 10 drops when he needs it. But believe me iodine alone is not the answer. It probably kept him from killing himself or me, which was a good thing, but it certainly didn't get to the root of the problem. From what I have gathered from reading the messages and information provided by the good people on this list is . . . that the " in the box doctors " have convinced themselves that is is dangerous to treat the thyroid. When if everything I have read on this list indicates it is far more dangerous to not treat the thyroid. Doctors believe in their blood tests when they should be treating clinically. They should be listening to their patients over and above any blood tests, and they are not. If you are reasonably intelligent and vigilent that you should be able to self medicate safely. And so you should be able to oversee your son's treatment as well. When my son was turned over to the medical establishment for treatment his condition deteriorated. I can't say treating him alternatively has managed to cure him, but he is far better off then what he was under the care of the " doctors " . At least the rage is under control So I say if you can't find a doctor that will think out of the box then Go for it Girl! Sheila *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Hi: I have a few questions if that's ok. My son has autism and is 20 and I have been trying to get help with having a thyroid issue diagnosed. I truly believe he is hypothyroid, has many many symptoms and I did the iodine patch test for a week and the stain never stayed 24 hrs and his h Sheila Bliesath StarGate Travel Phone: For more information on travel or becoming an agent info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Elaine, Last year when my son was so severely depressed he tried suicide the one thing that seemed to calm him was iodine. He takes Naka iodine about 10 drops when he needs it. But believe me iodine alone is not the answer. It probably kept him from killing himself or me, which was a good thing, but it certainly didn't get to the root of the problem. From what I have gathered from reading the messages and information provided by the good people on this list is . . . that the " in the box doctors " have convinced themselves that is is dangerous to treat the thyroid. When if everything I have read on this list indicates it is far more dangerous to not treat the thyroid. Doctors believe in their blood tests when they should be treating clinically. They should be listening to their patients over and above any blood tests, and they are not. If you are reasonably intelligent and vigilent that you should be able to self medicate safely. And so you should be able to oversee your son's treatment as well. When my son was turned over to the medical establishment for treatment his condition deteriorated. I can't say treating him alternatively has managed to cure him, but he is far better off then what he was under the care of the " doctors " . At least the rage is under control So I say if you can't find a doctor that will think out of the box then Go for it Girl! Sheila *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Hi: I have a few questions if that's ok. My son has autism and is 20 and I have been trying to get help with having a thyroid issue diagnosed. I truly believe he is hypothyroid, has many many symptoms and I did the iodine patch test for a week and the stain never stayed 24 hrs and his h Sheila Bliesath StarGate Travel Phone: For more information on travel or becoming an agent info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Elaine, Last year when my son was so severely depressed he tried suicide the one thing that seemed to calm him was iodine. He takes Naka iodine about 10 drops when he needs it. But believe me iodine alone is not the answer. It probably kept him from killing himself or me, which was a good thing, but it certainly didn't get to the root of the problem. From what I have gathered from reading the messages and information provided by the good people on this list is . . . that the " in the box doctors " have convinced themselves that is is dangerous to treat the thyroid. When if everything I have read on this list indicates it is far more dangerous to not treat the thyroid. Doctors believe in their blood tests when they should be treating clinically. They should be listening to their patients over and above any blood tests, and they are not. If you are reasonably intelligent and vigilent that you should be able to self medicate safely. And so you should be able to oversee your son's treatment as well. When my son was turned over to the medical establishment for treatment his condition deteriorated. I can't say treating him alternatively has managed to cure him, but he is far better off then what he was under the care of the " doctors " . At least the rage is under control So I say if you can't find a doctor that will think out of the box then Go for it Girl! Sheila *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Hi: I have a few questions if that's ok. My son has autism and is 20 and I have been trying to get help with having a thyroid issue diagnosed. I truly believe he is hypothyroid, has many many symptoms and I did the iodine patch test for a week and the stain never stayed 24 hrs and his h Sheila Bliesath StarGate Travel Phone: For more information on travel or becoming an agent info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Sheila, has you son been tested for low cortisol? That can cause rage. Chris > > Hi: I have a few questions if that's ok. My son has autism and is > 20 and I have been trying to get help with having a thyroid issue > diagnosed. I truly believe he is hypothyroid, has many many symptoms > and I did the iodine patch test for a week and the stain never stayed > 24 hrs and his h > Sheila Bliesath > StarGate Travel > Phone: > For more information on travel or becoming an agent > info@S... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Sheila, has you son been tested for low cortisol? That can cause rage. Chris > > Hi: I have a few questions if that's ok. My son has autism and is > 20 and I have been trying to get help with having a thyroid issue > diagnosed. I truly believe he is hypothyroid, has many many symptoms > and I did the iodine patch test for a week and the stain never stayed > 24 hrs and his h > Sheila Bliesath > StarGate Travel > Phone: > For more information on travel or becoming an agent > info@S... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 Sheila, has you son been tested for low cortisol? That can cause rage. Chris > > Hi: I have a few questions if that's ok. My son has autism and is > 20 and I have been trying to get help with having a thyroid issue > diagnosed. I truly believe he is hypothyroid, has many many symptoms > and I did the iodine patch test for a week and the stain never stayed > 24 hrs and his h > Sheila Bliesath > StarGate Travel > Phone: > For more information on travel or becoming an agent > info@S... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2005 Report Share Posted March 6, 2005 The rage was caused because he overdosed on his depression medication (Zoloft) with booze and then it was an overdose of over the counter pain medication and booze. He put himself in the hospital and then they put him on Celexa which appeared to cause the rage. When I told the doctor that he needed to have his thyroid tested, the doctor said, " Oh thank you for reminding me, I was in the process of forgetting. " Forgetting what? That he had already had a TSH done, and a problem was showing up on his TSH test. So they put him on Cytomel, which didn't do any good either. Oh and after him being on the Celexa at 20 mg per day for a month, and the rage getting worse the remote psychiatrist said to double the dose. Well wouldn't do that because he was afraid he was going to kill someone. But in both cases of cessation of a anti-depressant he stopped taking them abruptly. Something I learned later was a definite no no. It hasn't been a picnic these past 6 years, but I can see from all I have learned here that Armour might be the answer. LOL and to answer your question, no he hasn't been tested for Cortisol, that I know of, but as you can see the doctors don't even remember. It doesn't seem to be as big a problem now, but thank you for the tip. Once I can get him in for blood tests, then I will see about getting these things done. I am adding to the list of tests that need to be run. Also symtoms etc. We live in a small town in Northern Ontario where you are not going to attract the cream of the crop as far as doctors go. Plus the way Dr.s are getting treated in Canada any that get an offer are going south of the border. LOL there is a shortage of doctors and yet the government is refusing to meet their demands salary wise. It is absolutely nuts. So for sure a person in rural Ontario, anywhere in Ontario and probably Canada cannot afford to be ignorant of their own care. They must be on top of the doctor all of the time if they choose the allopathic route. Believe me I have a horror story about my husband and his care when he was dying of colo-rectal cancer. Sheila *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Sheila, has you son been tested for low cortisol? That can cause rage. Chris Sheila Bliesath StarGate Travel Phone: For more information on travel or becoming an agent info@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 I posted earlier but dont see it on board. Ill try this again. I am sorry to hear this with your son Sheila. My son is a too!!! He has rages and is on Risperdal and Trileptal. I am waiting to hear from the endo today and I am going to make appt with the alternative doctor also. I feel so bad for him because when his rage is over he is so sorry about it and cant ask for enough love from me. He is also totally wiped afterwards. Eileen > > Sheila, has you son been tested for low cortisol? That can cause > rage. > > Chris > Sheila Bliesath > StarGate Travel > Phone: > For more information on travel or becoming an agent > info@S... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 I posted earlier but dont see it on board. Ill try this again. I am sorry to hear this with your son Sheila. My son is a too!!! He has rages and is on Risperdal and Trileptal. I am waiting to hear from the endo today and I am going to make appt with the alternative doctor also. I feel so bad for him because when his rage is over he is so sorry about it and cant ask for enough love from me. He is also totally wiped afterwards. Eileen > > Sheila, has you son been tested for low cortisol? That can cause > rage. > > Chris > Sheila Bliesath > StarGate Travel > Phone: > For more information on travel or becoming an agent > info@S... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 I posted earlier but dont see it on board. Ill try this again. I am sorry to hear this with your son Sheila. My son is a too!!! He has rages and is on Risperdal and Trileptal. I am waiting to hear from the endo today and I am going to make appt with the alternative doctor also. I feel so bad for him because when his rage is over he is so sorry about it and cant ask for enough love from me. He is also totally wiped afterwards. Eileen > > Sheila, has you son been tested for low cortisol? That can cause > rage. > > Chris > Sheila Bliesath > StarGate Travel > Phone: > For more information on travel or becoming an agent > info@S... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Studies have found that young adults in prison for violent crimes have lower than normal cortisol. This is something that should be checked out. Cortisol has a big impact on brain function. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 Studies have found that young adults in prison for violent crimes have lower than normal cortisol. This is something that should be checked out. Cortisol has a big impact on brain function. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 do you have any links on this Re: self medicating Studies have found that young adults in prison for violent crimes have lower than normal cortisol. This is something that should be checked out. Cortisol has a big impact on brain function. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 do you have any links on this Re: self medicating Studies have found that young adults in prison for violent crimes have lower than normal cortisol. This is something that should be checked out. Cortisol has a big impact on brain function. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 do you have any links on this Re: self medicating Studies have found that young adults in prison for violent crimes have lower than normal cortisol. This is something that should be checked out. Cortisol has a big impact on brain function. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 They also have high copper..just thought I woiuld throw that in there. ~inga on 3/7/05 10:37 AM, lkwetter at saltillo@... wrote: > Studies have found that young adults in prison for violent crimes > have lower than normal cortisol. This is something that should be > checked out. Cortisol has a big impact on brain function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2005 Report Share Posted March 7, 2005 They also have high copper..just thought I woiuld throw that in there. ~inga on 3/7/05 10:37 AM, lkwetter at saltillo@... wrote: > Studies have found that young adults in prison for violent crimes > have lower than normal cortisol. This is something that should be > checked out. Cortisol has a big impact on brain function. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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