Re: Supressed TSH and bone density

[Guest guest]

>> " Gas is a social problem, not a physical one. " <<

OH I am afraid I would have had to turn my SOCIAL skills on this doctor to the

best of my ability! LOL What a jerk!

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

>> " Gas is a social problem, not a physical one. " <<

OH I am afraid I would have had to turn my SOCIAL skills on this doctor to the

best of my ability! LOL What a jerk!

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

The more I think about it, the more sure I am that I'm not going

back to this guy! And the more I read, the more convinced I am that

I have been hypo my whole life! Always cold hands & feet, at age 18

had thyroid & adrenals (24-hour urine) tested because I couldn't

gain weight (oh, to have that problem now and thyroid was " low

normal " . Then I quit smoking and ended up with Graves' disease! I

just think that since the RAI I am MORE hypo than ever before.....At

least I'm finally on the right track and I'm not going to meekly do

what the doctor says any more!

Hey doc, if you think gas is a social problem, wait till my next

physical! LOL

> >> " Gas is a social problem, not a physical one. " <<

>

> OH I am afraid I would have had to turn my SOCIAL skills on this

doctor to the best of my ability! LOL What a jerk!

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The more I think about it, the more sure I am that I'm not going

back to this guy! And the more I read, the more convinced I am that

I have been hypo my whole life! Always cold hands & feet, at age 18

had thyroid & adrenals (24-hour urine) tested because I couldn't

gain weight (oh, to have that problem now and thyroid was " low

normal " . Then I quit smoking and ended up with Graves' disease! I

just think that since the RAI I am MORE hypo than ever before.....At

least I'm finally on the right track and I'm not going to meekly do

what the doctor says any more!

Hey doc, if you think gas is a social problem, wait till my next

physical! LOL

> >> " Gas is a social problem, not a physical one. " <<

>

> OH I am afraid I would have had to turn my SOCIAL skills on this

doctor to the best of my ability! LOL What a jerk!

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The more I think about it, the more sure I am that I'm not going

back to this guy! And the more I read, the more convinced I am that

I have been hypo my whole life! Always cold hands & feet, at age 18

had thyroid & adrenals (24-hour urine) tested because I couldn't

gain weight (oh, to have that problem now and thyroid was " low

normal " . Then I quit smoking and ended up with Graves' disease! I

just think that since the RAI I am MORE hypo than ever before.....At

least I'm finally on the right track and I'm not going to meekly do

what the doctor says any more!

Hey doc, if you think gas is a social problem, wait till my next

physical! LOL

> >> " Gas is a social problem, not a physical one. " <<

>

> OH I am afraid I would have had to turn my SOCIAL skills on this

doctor to the best of my ability! LOL What a jerk!

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes I am so happy to have found this group too. It is just a blessing. I was on

the graves support, trying to ask for some advice. My doctor was only looking at

the TSH, even told them my bad hypo symptoms. The dummies still would not give

me any kinds of t4 meds. Then, this lady there named Sandy pointed me to this

group and I was so a mazed and relieved too. I knew what to do to get myself out

of a bad situation.

Changing the subject, did you feel like boxing that doctor that said you don't

have Phd behind your name? They don't like for the patients to know more then

them Heeeee!!!

Rockette stacyrockette@...> wrote:

Hello Betty,

I have a real bad problem with degenerative

osteoporosis. This finally was found out after a bone

density scan and because I complained about the pain

in body and joints. First it just started out with me

having only a goiter, and then the symptoms got worse.

Ran some test had to beg for the Free T2 and 3 tests.

They came back low so it was decided that I am hypo

and even though I have been on Synthroid or Levoxyl

for the last 10 years I am 33 at this time.

Instead of my recommendation to try Amour or even

Cytomel. The doctors are sending me to an

Endocrinologist after everything else has failed and

before my Endo appointment my doctor has started an

aggressive vitamin D regimen. I take 5000iu's daily

along with Oscal with vitamin D 3x's daily and on the

weekends I take Fosamax.

They just don't get it. The doctors have tried

everything and they keep treating every symptom as

individual instead of the cause and refuse to accept

there is a possible alternative treatment that could

help me.

I have many other problems, but in their mind or as

it was so eloquently put it " it's all in my mind and

sometime medicine is not always the answer " and it's

O.K. and acceptable for my dressor to look like a

pharmacy with the newest synthetic drug of the month

and different treatments every six weeks or so. That I

don't respond to. I had a doctor tell me yesterday I

don't have a PHD behind my name. I thought to myself,

but I seem to be more educated in this than you are.

You have to step out of the room and discuses the

possibilities of treatment with others.

I started educating myself and it is a blessing I

ran across this group. The funny thing is I don't even

know how I signed up here. One day I started getting

emails and then help and answers. This group is truly

a blessing to have found.

Thanks to all who share their stories and give their

advice.

Bye,

Rockette

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Yes I am so happy to have found this group too. It is just a blessing. I was on

the graves support, trying to ask for some advice. My doctor was only looking at

the TSH, even told them my bad hypo symptoms. The dummies still would not give

me any kinds of t4 meds. Then, this lady there named Sandy pointed me to this

group and I was so a mazed and relieved too. I knew what to do to get myself out

of a bad situation.

Changing the subject, did you feel like boxing that doctor that said you don't

have Phd behind your name? They don't like for the patients to know more then

them Heeeee!!!

Rockette stacyrockette@...> wrote:

Hello Betty,

I have a real bad problem with degenerative

osteoporosis. This finally was found out after a bone

density scan and because I complained about the pain

in body and joints. First it just started out with me

having only a goiter, and then the symptoms got worse.

Ran some test had to beg for the Free T2 and 3 tests.

They came back low so it was decided that I am hypo

and even though I have been on Synthroid or Levoxyl

for the last 10 years I am 33 at this time.

Instead of my recommendation to try Amour or even

Cytomel. The doctors are sending me to an

Endocrinologist after everything else has failed and

before my Endo appointment my doctor has started an

aggressive vitamin D regimen. I take 5000iu's daily

along with Oscal with vitamin D 3x's daily and on the

weekends I take Fosamax.

They just don't get it. The doctors have tried

everything and they keep treating every symptom as

individual instead of the cause and refuse to accept

there is a possible alternative treatment that could

help me.

I have many other problems, but in their mind or as

it was so eloquently put it " it's all in my mind and

sometime medicine is not always the answer " and it's

O.K. and acceptable for my dressor to look like a

pharmacy with the newest synthetic drug of the month

and different treatments every six weeks or so. That I

don't respond to. I had a doctor tell me yesterday I

don't have a PHD behind my name. I thought to myself,

but I seem to be more educated in this than you are.

You have to step out of the room and discuses the

possibilities of treatment with others.

I started educating myself and it is a blessing I

ran across this group. The funny thing is I don't even

know how I signed up here. One day I started getting

emails and then help and answers. This group is truly

a blessing to have found.

Thanks to all who share their stories and give their

advice.

Bye,

Rockette

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Yes I am so happy to have found this group too. It is just a blessing. I was on

the graves support, trying to ask for some advice. My doctor was only looking at

the TSH, even told them my bad hypo symptoms. The dummies still would not give

me any kinds of t4 meds. Then, this lady there named Sandy pointed me to this

group and I was so a mazed and relieved too. I knew what to do to get myself out

of a bad situation.

Changing the subject, did you feel like boxing that doctor that said you don't

have Phd behind your name? They don't like for the patients to know more then

them Heeeee!!!

Rockette stacyrockette@...> wrote:

Hello Betty,

I have a real bad problem with degenerative

osteoporosis. This finally was found out after a bone

density scan and because I complained about the pain

in body and joints. First it just started out with me

having only a goiter, and then the symptoms got worse.

Ran some test had to beg for the Free T2 and 3 tests.

They came back low so it was decided that I am hypo

and even though I have been on Synthroid or Levoxyl

for the last 10 years I am 33 at this time.

Instead of my recommendation to try Amour or even

Cytomel. The doctors are sending me to an

Endocrinologist after everything else has failed and

before my Endo appointment my doctor has started an

aggressive vitamin D regimen. I take 5000iu's daily

along with Oscal with vitamin D 3x's daily and on the

weekends I take Fosamax.

They just don't get it. The doctors have tried

everything and they keep treating every symptom as

individual instead of the cause and refuse to accept

there is a possible alternative treatment that could

help me.

I have many other problems, but in their mind or as

it was so eloquently put it " it's all in my mind and

sometime medicine is not always the answer " and it's

O.K. and acceptable for my dressor to look like a

pharmacy with the newest synthetic drug of the month

and different treatments every six weeks or so. That I

don't respond to. I had a doctor tell me yesterday I

don't have a PHD behind my name. I thought to myself,

but I seem to be more educated in this than you are.

You have to step out of the room and discuses the

possibilities of treatment with others.

I started educating myself and it is a blessing I

ran across this group. The funny thing is I don't even

know how I signed up here. One day I started getting

emails and then help and answers. This group is truly

a blessing to have found.

Thanks to all who share their stories and give their

advice.

Bye,

Rockette

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

..

> I think I first read about Fosomax on Mercola's site...that would be

a good

> place to start.

> Cindi

What is the URl for the site.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

..

> I think I first read about Fosomax on Mercola's site...that would be

a good

> place to start.

> Cindi

What is the URl for the site.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

..

> I think I first read about Fosomax on Mercola's site...that would be

a good

> place to start.

> Cindi

What is the URl for the site.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You should have to work around some of them. Some are also extremely

arrogant.

Others are absloutly wonderful to work with.

> In a message dated 3/23/2005 2:41:29 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> joyce_bickford@y... writes:

>

> > - he replied

> > that " Gas is a social problem, not a physical one. " I wanted to

> > smack him for that, and probably should have!

> >

>

> aren't they amazingly stupid to have a M.D. behind their name?

> cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

www.mercola.com

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

www.mercola.com

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

www.mercola.com

*Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

[Guest guest]

Thank you.

> www.mercola.com

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you.

> www.mercola.com

> *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You have me mixed up with some one else. I did not wriet this. I may

have replied ot it.

> In a message dated 3/23/2005 4:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> groversyck@f... writes:

>

> > I think I first read about Fosomax on Mercola's site...that would be

> > a good

> > >place to start.

> >

>

> doing a search on the mercola site shows a lot of stuff for

Fosomax..but

> here's one blurb:

> Dr. Lee is the physician who wrote " What Your Doctor May Not

Tell You

> About PRE Menopause " He is very strongly opposed to the use of

Fosamax, and I

> could not agree with him more on this issue. It is interesting that

Merck, the

> manufacturer of Fosamax, funded both of these studies and both

appeared in two

> well respected medical journals the same week.

>

> Fosamax is in the same chemical class (phosphonate) that is used in the

> cleaners used to remove soap scum from your bath tub. This is a

metabolic poison

> that actually kills the osteoclasts. These are the cells that remove

your bone

> so your osteoblasts can actually rebuild your bone.

>

> It is quite clear that if you kill these cells your bone will get

denser.

> What these studies do not show is that four years later the bone

actually becomes

> weaker even though it is more dense.

>

> This is because bone is a dynamic structure and requires the removal

and

> REPLACEMENT of new bone to stay strong. Fosamax does NOT build ANY

new bone. The

> true solution, as I have reviewed in previous newsletters, is to go

on natural

> progesterone. One can review Dr. Lee's book for more information.

>

>

>

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You have me mixed up with some one else. I did not wriet this. I may

have replied ot it.

> In a message dated 3/23/2005 4:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> groversyck@f... writes:

>

> > I think I first read about Fosomax on Mercola's site...that would be

> > a good

> > >place to start.

> >

>

> doing a search on the mercola site shows a lot of stuff for

Fosomax..but

> here's one blurb:

> Dr. Lee is the physician who wrote " What Your Doctor May Not

Tell You

> About PRE Menopause " He is very strongly opposed to the use of

Fosamax, and I

> could not agree with him more on this issue. It is interesting that

Merck, the

> manufacturer of Fosamax, funded both of these studies and both

appeared in two

> well respected medical journals the same week.

>

> Fosamax is in the same chemical class (phosphonate) that is used in the

> cleaners used to remove soap scum from your bath tub. This is a

metabolic poison

> that actually kills the osteoclasts. These are the cells that remove

your bone

> so your osteoblasts can actually rebuild your bone.

>

> It is quite clear that if you kill these cells your bone will get

denser.

> What these studies do not show is that four years later the bone

actually becomes

> weaker even though it is more dense.

>

> This is because bone is a dynamic structure and requires the removal

and

> REPLACEMENT of new bone to stay strong. Fosamax does NOT build ANY

new bone. The

> true solution, as I have reviewed in previous newsletters, is to go

on natural

> progesterone. One can review Dr. Lee's book for more information.

>

>

>

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 3/23/2005 2:59:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> ryno@a... writes:

>

> > Yes, it is low level xray. I think they called it a Dexascan.

> >

>

> thanks for the info.

> I was just reading the other day about mammograms...and getting

> radiation...which over time of course will probably cause

cancer...and so I'm just leary of

> any radiation.

> cindi

For me the low level xray was minor compoared to the high level

tension of feeling like I had to justify my Armour dose. Amazingly,

this same doctor, after talking to Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab

about my liver proile told me I have thyroid resistance, and yes

there are a few documented cases of thyroid resistance. The

physician from Great Smokies told him I was thyroid resistant. A

few???? I wonder where these guys (don't) get their information

from? He put it like it was some kind of novel thing, and after

being on this message board for the past several months thyroid

resistance seems so like an " of course that is what I am! " Because

another physician said I was thyroid resistant, that made it real

for him. God forbid any of these MD's shouldd reeeeeeallllyyyyy

listen to anybody and add up 2+2 and get four instead of 0. 20

years of depression, constipation, PMS, low body temp, etc, etc.

etc. didn't add up. Go figure.

And yes, having an MD after your name only insures you were capable

of completing medical school. It says nothing about true

intelligence. The people on this board are by far the most

intelligent I have come across in a loonngg time, and I thank each

and every one of you for your collective advice over the past

several months.

R.

[Guest guest]

> this same doctor, after talking to Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab

> about my liver proile told me I have thyroid resistance, and yes

> there are a few documented cases of thyroid resistance. The

> physician from Great Smokies told him I was thyroid resistant. A

> few???? I wonder where these guys (don't) get their information

> from? He put it like it was some kind of novel thing, and after

> being on this message board for the past several months thyroid

> resistance seems so like an " of course that is what I am! " Because

> another physician said I was thyroid resistant, that made it real

> for him.

A liver profile does not show thyroid hormone resistance, if you were

truely resistant than your liver panel would be near normal, thyroid

lab work does. There are a couple different things that can be

perceieved and called resistance to a certain degree but actual

resistance is rare like your doc was telling you. What do your labs

look like?

[Guest guest]

> this same doctor, after talking to Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab

> about my liver proile told me I have thyroid resistance, and yes

> there are a few documented cases of thyroid resistance. The

> physician from Great Smokies told him I was thyroid resistant. A

> few???? I wonder where these guys (don't) get their information

> from? He put it like it was some kind of novel thing, and after

> being on this message board for the past several months thyroid

> resistance seems so like an " of course that is what I am! " Because

> another physician said I was thyroid resistant, that made it real

> for him.

A liver profile does not show thyroid hormone resistance, if you were

truely resistant than your liver panel would be near normal, thyroid

lab work does. There are a couple different things that can be

perceieved and called resistance to a certain degree but actual

resistance is rare like your doc was telling you. What do your labs

look like?

[Guest guest]

> this same doctor, after talking to Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab

> about my liver proile told me I have thyroid resistance, and yes

> there are a few documented cases of thyroid resistance. The

> physician from Great Smokies told him I was thyroid resistant. A

> few???? I wonder where these guys (don't) get their information

> from? He put it like it was some kind of novel thing, and after

> being on this message board for the past several months thyroid

> resistance seems so like an " of course that is what I am! " Because

> another physician said I was thyroid resistant, that made it real

> for him.

A liver profile does not show thyroid hormone resistance, if you were

truely resistant than your liver panel would be near normal, thyroid

lab work does. There are a couple different things that can be

perceieved and called resistance to a certain degree but actual

resistance is rare like your doc was telling you. What do your labs

look like?

[Guest guest]

>

> well...the genetic " resistant to thyroid hormone " is fairly rare.

those

> folks will have a suppressed TSH and high levels of thyroid hormone

but no

> problems from it. so it's really a different animal than the type

of tissue

> resistance a hypo person may have from being hypo for a long period

of time.

> Cindi

Thanks Cindi.......almost dropped the ball on that one. Being

busy studying for my Dr exam on BMJ tomorrow.

[Guest guest]

>

> well...the genetic " resistant to thyroid hormone " is fairly rare.

those

> folks will have a suppressed TSH and high levels of thyroid hormone

but no

> problems from it. so it's really a different animal than the type

of tissue

> resistance a hypo person may have from being hypo for a long period

of time.

> Cindi

Thanks Cindi.......almost dropped the ball on that one. Being

busy studying for my Dr exam on BMJ tomorrow.