Re: what does bible say about organ donation: Ethical question

April 8, 2009

Hi all,

It seems that many (most?) Christians define life in the same manner as Chaim

describes as Judaic--perhaps even more broadly than just having a heartbeat at

times. So my question is, how do Christians deal with the ethics of possibly

taking a whole liver from a " living " donor? As a for instance, Klug got

his liver from a brain dead child. The child had no choice, and the recipient

had no choice.

in Ohio

>

> Mairi,

>

> In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of the

> dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the

> scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death is

> not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in most

> cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.

>

> Regards,

>

> Chaim Boermeester, Israel

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of mairi grant

> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43

> To:

> Subject: what does bible say about organ donation

>

April 8, 2009

Hi all,

It seems that many (most?) Christians define life in the same manner as Chaim

describes as Judaic--perhaps even more broadly than just having a heartbeat at

times. So my question is, how do Christians deal with the ethics of possibly

taking a whole liver from a " living " donor? As a for instance, Klug got

his liver from a brain dead child. The child had no choice, and the recipient

had no choice.

in Ohio

>

> Mairi,

>

> In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of the

> dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the

> scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death is

> not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in most

> cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.

>

> Regards,

>

> Chaim Boermeester, Israel

>

> _____

>

> From: [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of mairi grant

> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43

> To:

> Subject: what does bible say about organ donation

>

April 8, 2009

I disagree with that.

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To: Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 6:30:41 PMSubject: Re: what does bible say about organ donation: Ethical question

Hi all, It seems that many (most?) Christians define life in the same manner as Chaim describes as Judaic--perhaps even more broadly than just having a heartbeat at times. So my question is, how do Christians deal with the ethics of possibly taking a whole liver from a "living" donor? As a for instance, Klug got his liver from a brain dead child. The child had no choice, and the recipient had no choice. in Ohio>> Mairi,> > > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of the> dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death is> not

enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in most> cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > > > Regards,> > > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > > > _____ > > From: @ yahoogroups. com [mailto:@ yahoogroups. com] On> Behalf Of mairi grant> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> To: @ yahoogroups. com> Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >

>

April 8, 2009

I disagree with that.

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To: Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 6:30:41 PMSubject: Re: what does bible say about organ donation: Ethical question

Hi all, It seems that many (most?) Christians define life in the same manner as Chaim describes as Judaic--perhaps even more broadly than just having a heartbeat at times. So my question is, how do Christians deal with the ethics of possibly taking a whole liver from a "living" donor? As a for instance, Klug got his liver from a brain dead child. The child had no choice, and the recipient had no choice. in Ohio>> Mairi,> > > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of the> dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death is> not

enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in most> cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > > > Regards,> > > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > > > _____ > > From: @ yahoogroups. com [mailto:@ yahoogroups. com] On> Behalf Of mairi grant> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> To: @ yahoogroups. com> Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >

>

April 8, 2009

I disagree with that.

Lori A.

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To: Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 6:30:41 PMSubject: Re: what does bible say about organ donation: Ethical question

Hi all, It seems that many (most?) Christians define life in the same manner as Chaim describes as Judaic--perhaps even more broadly than just having a heartbeat at times. So my question is, how do Christians deal with the ethics of possibly taking a whole liver from a "living" donor? As a for instance, Klug got his liver from a brain dead child. The child had no choice, and the recipient had no choice. in Ohio>> Mairi,> > > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of the> dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death is> not

enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in most> cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > > > Regards,> > > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > > > _____ > > From: @ yahoogroups. com [mailto:@ yahoogroups. com] On> Behalf Of mairi grant> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> To: @ yahoogroups. com> Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >

>

April 8, 2009

I think that most christain consider a person that is brain dead as dead, In most living donor liver transplants the donor continues to live and thrive after transplant.

Ian

Hi all, It seems that many (most?) Christians define life in the same manner as Chaim describes as Judaic--perhaps even more broadly than just having a heartbeat at times. So my question is, how do Christians deal with the ethics of possibly taking a whole liver from a " living " donor? As a for instance, Klug got his liver from a brain dead child. The child had no choice, and the recipient had no choice.

in Ohio

>> Mairi,> > > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of the> dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death is

> not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in most> cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > > > Regards,> > > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel

> > > > _____ > > From: [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of mairi grant> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> To:

> Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > > >

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April 8, 2009

I think that most christain consider a person that is brain dead as dead, In most living donor liver transplants the donor continues to live and thrive after transplant.

Ian

Hi all, It seems that many (most?) Christians define life in the same manner as Chaim describes as Judaic--perhaps even more broadly than just having a heartbeat at times. So my question is, how do Christians deal with the ethics of possibly taking a whole liver from a " living " donor? As a for instance, Klug got his liver from a brain dead child. The child had no choice, and the recipient had no choice.

in Ohio

>> Mairi,> > > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of the> dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death is

> not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in most> cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > > > Regards,> > > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel

> > > > _____ > > From: [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of mairi grant> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> To:

> Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > > >

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April 8, 2009

I think that most christain consider a person that is brain dead as dead, In most living donor liver transplants the donor continues to live and thrive after transplant.

Ian

Hi all, It seems that many (most?) Christians define life in the same manner as Chaim describes as Judaic--perhaps even more broadly than just having a heartbeat at times. So my question is, how do Christians deal with the ethics of possibly taking a whole liver from a " living " donor? As a for instance, Klug got his liver from a brain dead child. The child had no choice, and the recipient had no choice.

in Ohio

>> Mairi,> > > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of the> dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death is

> not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in most> cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > > > Regards,> > > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel

> > > > _____ > > From: [mailto: ] On

> Behalf Of mairi grant> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> To:

> Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > > >

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April 8, 2009

Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as

actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those

without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family

must lose something for me to live. It's hard.

> > >

> > > Mairi,

> > >

> > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of

> > the

> > > dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the

> > > scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death

> > is

> > > not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in

> > most

> > > cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From: [mailto:

> > ] On

> > > Behalf Of mairi grant

> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43

> > > To:

> > > Subject: what does bible say about organ donation

> > >

> >

>

> --

> Ian Cribb P.Eng.

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>

April 8, 2009

Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as

actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those

without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family

must lose something for me to live. It's hard.

> > >

> > > Mairi,

> > >

> > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of

> > the

> > > dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the

> > > scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death

> > is

> > > not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in

> > most

> > > cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > From: [mailto:

> > ] On

> > > Behalf Of mairi grant

> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43

> > > To:

> > > Subject: what does bible say about organ donation

> > >

> >

>

> --

> Ian Cribb P.Eng.

> cell: (6...

> Enefen - Reviewer/Designer

> www.enefen.com

>

April 8, 2009

I don't have any numbers, but I believe most cadaver livers come from some one who died in a motor vehicle accident and their hearts had stopped before their organs were donated to save the life of others. It is hard that someone else has died, but they have died and their organs can live on in another. The number of livers from " brain dead " people would be very small.

Ian (53) PSC 89

Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family must lose something for me to live. It's hard.

> > >> > > Mairi,> > >> > >> > >> > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of

> > the> > > dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> > > scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death> > is> > > not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in

> > most> > > cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >

> > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > >> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: <%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:

> > <%40yahoogroups.com>] On

> > > Behalf Of mairi grant> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> > > To: <%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >

> -- > Ian Cribb P.Eng.> cell: (6...> Enefen - Reviewer/Designer> www.enefen.com

>

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April 8, 2009

I don't have any numbers, but I believe most cadaver livers come from some one who died in a motor vehicle accident and their hearts had stopped before their organs were donated to save the life of others. It is hard that someone else has died, but they have died and their organs can live on in another. The number of livers from " brain dead " people would be very small.

Ian (53) PSC 89

Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family must lose something for me to live. It's hard.

> > >> > > Mairi,> > >> > >> > >> > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of

> > the> > > dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> > > scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death> > is> > > not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in

> > most> > > cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >

> > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > >> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: <%40yahoogroups.com>[mailto:

> > <%40yahoogroups.com>] On

> > > Behalf Of mairi grant> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> > > To: <%40yahoogroups.com>

> > > Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >

> -- > Ian Cribb P.Eng.> cell: (6...> Enefen - Reviewer/Designer> www.enefen.com

>

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April 8, 2009

My understanding (which matches this article) is that the vast majority of organ donors have suffered brain death (not cardiac death). (Although the article indicates that the number of organ donors from cardiac death is increasing after years of being very low - and the organs that can be used after a cardiac death include livers and kidneys.) http://www.organtransplants.org/understanding/death/ , Mom to 18 yo daughter UC 6/95, PSC 3/09To: Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:09:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: what does bible say about organ donation: Ethical question

I don't have any numbers, but I believe most cadaver livers come from some one who died in a motor vehicle accident and their hearts had stopped before their organs were donated to save the life of others. It is hard that someone else has died, but they have died and their organs can live on in another. The number of livers from "brain dead" people would be very small.

Ian (53) PSC 89

Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family must lose something for me to live. It's hard.

> > >> > > Mairi,> > >> > >> > >> > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of

> > the> > > dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> > > scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death> > is> > > not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in

> > most> > > cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >

> > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > >> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: @ yahoogroups. com <%40yahoogroups. com>[mailto:

> > @ yahoogroups. com <%40yahoogroups. com>] On

> > > Behalf Of mairi grant> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> > > To: @ yahoogroups. com <%40yahoogroups. com>

> > > Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >

> -- > Ian Cribb P.Eng.> cell: (6...> Enefen - Reviewer/Designer> www.enefen.com

>

-- Ian Cribb P.Eng.cell: (6...Enefen - Reviewer/Designerwww.enefen.com

April 8, 2009

My understanding (which matches this article) is that the vast majority of organ donors have suffered brain death (not cardiac death). (Although the article indicates that the number of organ donors from cardiac death is increasing after years of being very low - and the organs that can be used after a cardiac death include livers and kidneys.) http://www.organtransplants.org/understanding/death/ , Mom to 18 yo daughter UC 6/95, PSC 3/09To: Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:09:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: what does bible say about organ donation: Ethical question

I don't have any numbers, but I believe most cadaver livers come from some one who died in a motor vehicle accident and their hearts had stopped before their organs were donated to save the life of others. It is hard that someone else has died, but they have died and their organs can live on in another. The number of livers from "brain dead" people would be very small.

Ian (53) PSC 89

Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family must lose something for me to live. It's hard.

> > >> > > Mairi,> > >> > >> > >> > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of

> > the> > > dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> > > scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death> > is> > > not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in

> > most> > > cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >

> > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > >> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: @ yahoogroups. com <%40yahoogroups. com>[mailto:

> > @ yahoogroups. com <%40yahoogroups. com>] On

> > > Behalf Of mairi grant> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> > > To: @ yahoogroups. com <%40yahoogroups. com>

> > > Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >

> -- > Ian Cribb P.Eng.> cell: (6...> Enefen - Reviewer/Designer> www.enefen.com

>

-- Ian Cribb P.Eng.cell: (6...Enefen - Reviewer/Designerwww.enefen.com

April 8, 2009

My understanding (which matches this article) is that the vast majority of organ donors have suffered brain death (not cardiac death). (Although the article indicates that the number of organ donors from cardiac death is increasing after years of being very low - and the organs that can be used after a cardiac death include livers and kidneys.) http://www.organtransplants.org/understanding/death/ , Mom to 18 yo daughter UC 6/95, PSC 3/09To: Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 9:09:27 PMSubject: Re: Re: what does bible say about organ donation: Ethical question

I don't have any numbers, but I believe most cadaver livers come from some one who died in a motor vehicle accident and their hearts had stopped before their organs were donated to save the life of others. It is hard that someone else has died, but they have died and their organs can live on in another. The number of livers from "brain dead" people would be very small.

Ian (53) PSC 89

Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family must lose something for me to live. It's hard.

> > >> > > Mairi,> > >> > >> > >> > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of

> > the> > > dead to save a life. The problem for Judaism is that according to the> > > scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death> > is> > > not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in

> > most> > > cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >

> > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > >> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: @ yahoogroups. com <%40yahoogroups. com>[mailto:

> > @ yahoogroups. com <%40yahoogroups. com>] On

> > > Behalf Of mairi grant> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> > > To: @ yahoogroups. com <%40yahoogroups. com>

> > > Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >

> -- > Ian Cribb P.Eng.> cell: (6...> Enefen - Reviewer/Designer> www.enefen.com

>

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April 8, 2009

I am a christian and I disagree. I think we are on dangerous ground if we try to play God and decide when someone should die. Brain dead or not they are still alive in my opinion. I can't really think of anywhere in the scriptures that would disagree with me. Just my 2 cents.

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To: Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 7:37:50 PMSubject: Re: what does bible say about organ donation: Ethical question

Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family must lose something for me to live. It's hard. > > >> > > Mairi,> > >> > >> > >> > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of> > the> > > dead to save a life. The problem for

Judaism is that according to the> > > scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death> > is> > > not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in> > most> > > cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >> > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > >> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: @ yahoogroups. com <% 40yahoogroups. com>[mailto:> > @

yahoogroups. com <% 40yahoogroups. com>] On> > > Behalf Of mairi grant> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> > > To: @ yahoogroups. com <% 40yahoogroups. com>> > > Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > Ian Cribb P.Eng.> cell: (6...> Enefen - Reviewer/Designer> www.enefen.com>

April 8, 2009

I am a christian and I disagree. I think we are on dangerous ground if we try to play God and decide when someone should die. Brain dead or not they are still alive in my opinion. I can't really think of anywhere in the scriptures that would disagree with me. Just my 2 cents.

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To: Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 7:37:50 PMSubject: Re: what does bible say about organ donation: Ethical question

Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family must lose something for me to live. It's hard. > > >> > > Mairi,> > >> > >> > >> > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of> > the> > > dead to save a life. The problem for

Judaism is that according to the> > > scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death> > is> > > not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in> > most> > > cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >> > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > >> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: @ yahoogroups. com <% 40yahoogroups. com>[mailto:> > @

yahoogroups. com <% 40yahoogroups. com>] On> > > Behalf Of mairi grant> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> > > To: @ yahoogroups. com <% 40yahoogroups. com>> > > Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > Ian Cribb P.Eng.> cell: (6...> Enefen - Reviewer/Designer> www.enefen.com>

April 8, 2009

I am a christian and I disagree. I think we are on dangerous ground if we try to play God and decide when someone should die. Brain dead or not they are still alive in my opinion. I can't really think of anywhere in the scriptures that would disagree with me. Just my 2 cents.

Lori A.

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To: Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 7:37:50 PMSubject: Re: what does bible say about organ donation: Ethical question

Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family must lose something for me to live. It's hard. > > >> > > Mairi,> > >> > >> > >> > > In Judaism it is considered a great commandment to donate the organs of> > the> > > dead to save a life. The problem for

Judaism is that according to the> > > scripture a person is dead only when his heart stops beating. Brain death> > is> > > not enough for a rabbi to declare someone deceased. This means that in> > most> > > cases organ donation is impossible or not practical.> > >> > >> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > >> > >> > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel> > >> > >> > >> > > _____> > >> > > From: @ yahoogroups. com <% 40yahoogroups. com>[mailto:> > @

yahoogroups. com <% 40yahoogroups. com>] On> > > Behalf Of mairi grant> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 01:43> > > To: @ yahoogroups. com <% 40yahoogroups. com>> > > Subject: what does bible say about organ donation> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > Ian Cribb P.Eng.> cell: (6...> Enefen - Reviewer/Designer> www.enefen.com>

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Hi Lori,

It looks like your cunnundrum is more difficult than mine: your options are more

limited. Do you have a plan for when/if you need a transplant? My understanding

was that the sources of the livers available are kept secret from the

recipients--can't choose where it came from. I might be wrong.

For myself, I'm curious about these questions because I'm still trying to figure

out why I'm troubled by it. I tend to agree with Ian that brain dead is dead,

but I still don't feel entirely comfortable. I'm working on formulating exactly

why. I'm reasonable enough to realize that people die, and people will continue

to die regardless of my condition. However, the idea that someone MUST die for

my continued survival is what gets me. Sorry I can't explain it better than

that.

>

> I am a christian and I disagree. I think we are on dangerous ground if we try

to play God and decide when someone should die. Brain dead or not they are

still alive in my opinion. I can't really think of anywhere in the scriptures

that would disagree with me. Just my 2 cents.

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> Thanks, Ian. It didn't occur to me that most Christians accept brain death as

actual death. It seemed incongruent with other fights for life--even for those

without brains. I've been struggling with the whole situation: some other family

must lose something for me to live. It's hard.

>

April 9, 2009