Re: Looking for a good understanding doctor!!!

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In a message dated 3/3/2005 10:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

oceangypsey@... writes:

> so just biding my

> time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

> ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to let me

> suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic

no - it's not dramatic.

I am suffering now at age 49 because i couldn't get ANY thyroid hormone for

the last 15-25 years I needed it. My body is damaged. I will never be who I

was supposed to be because of doctors who could not recognize clinical symptoms

in someone even when the patient was telling them what she thought the

problem was. I consider it a miracle that I am even alive and didn't just die

of

heart failure while sleeping on my living room couch last winter.

And probably has some of the same sentiments from being undertreated

on Synthroid.

The doctors in my opinion have commited criminal acts whether they realize it

or not. It is criminal to endanger another person's health in the way they

have. They may not pay in this life. I expect them to fully pay in the next

life.

So do what you have to do. I don't want anyone to go thru what I have...and

what I am currently going thru. I often state I am doing well...and

considering where I was, I am. But i am extremely limited in what i can do.

But

believe me, I am grateful for every single thing I can do. I am glad i can wash

the clothes and load the dishwasher. I couldn't do that a year or so ago. I

am grateful that I can sit on my porch and see the beauty around me out here in

the country. My world was full and gray a little over a year ago. I am

grateful that I can breathe deep for the first time in 15 years. I am grateful

that I am not too tired to pet my kitty and play with her. I am grateful that I

am not consumed with anxious thoughts any more. I am grateful that when my

husband kisses me, my lips have sensation again and that the kiss is so sweet.

I am grateful that my mind functions again. I am grateful that I can get thru

the day without a nap. I am grateful that I am once again a sweet person who

doesn't get irritable at every little thing. I am grateful that I have

energy to take a shower and enjoy it.

I'm rambling. But the point is...if you can't find a doctor to treat you

properly - then you do it yourself. The risks are too great if you don't. for

those who think self-medication is risky...I can only laugh at your ignorance.

sorry. but that's from one who sure wishes i had known about

" self-medication " when it could have made a major difference in my life.

Cindi

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In a message dated 3/3/2005 10:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

oceangypsey@... writes:

> so just biding my

> time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

> ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to let me

> suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic

no - it's not dramatic.

I am suffering now at age 49 because i couldn't get ANY thyroid hormone for

the last 15-25 years I needed it. My body is damaged. I will never be who I

was supposed to be because of doctors who could not recognize clinical symptoms

in someone even when the patient was telling them what she thought the

problem was. I consider it a miracle that I am even alive and didn't just die

of

heart failure while sleeping on my living room couch last winter.

And probably has some of the same sentiments from being undertreated

on Synthroid.

The doctors in my opinion have commited criminal acts whether they realize it

or not. It is criminal to endanger another person's health in the way they

have. They may not pay in this life. I expect them to fully pay in the next

life.

So do what you have to do. I don't want anyone to go thru what I have...and

what I am currently going thru. I often state I am doing well...and

considering where I was, I am. But i am extremely limited in what i can do.

But

believe me, I am grateful for every single thing I can do. I am glad i can wash

the clothes and load the dishwasher. I couldn't do that a year or so ago. I

am grateful that I can sit on my porch and see the beauty around me out here in

the country. My world was full and gray a little over a year ago. I am

grateful that I can breathe deep for the first time in 15 years. I am grateful

that I am not too tired to pet my kitty and play with her. I am grateful that I

am not consumed with anxious thoughts any more. I am grateful that when my

husband kisses me, my lips have sensation again and that the kiss is so sweet.

I am grateful that my mind functions again. I am grateful that I can get thru

the day without a nap. I am grateful that I am once again a sweet person who

doesn't get irritable at every little thing. I am grateful that I have

energy to take a shower and enjoy it.

I'm rambling. But the point is...if you can't find a doctor to treat you

properly - then you do it yourself. The risks are too great if you don't. for

those who think self-medication is risky...I can only laugh at your ignorance.

sorry. but that's from one who sure wishes i had known about

" self-medication " when it could have made a major difference in my life.

Cindi

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In a message dated 3/3/2005 10:57:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

oceangypsey@... writes:

> so just biding my

> time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

> ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to let me

> suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic

no - it's not dramatic.

I am suffering now at age 49 because i couldn't get ANY thyroid hormone for

the last 15-25 years I needed it. My body is damaged. I will never be who I

was supposed to be because of doctors who could not recognize clinical symptoms

in someone even when the patient was telling them what she thought the

problem was. I consider it a miracle that I am even alive and didn't just die

of

heart failure while sleeping on my living room couch last winter.

And probably has some of the same sentiments from being undertreated

on Synthroid.

The doctors in my opinion have commited criminal acts whether they realize it

or not. It is criminal to endanger another person's health in the way they

have. They may not pay in this life. I expect them to fully pay in the next

life.

So do what you have to do. I don't want anyone to go thru what I have...and

what I am currently going thru. I often state I am doing well...and

considering where I was, I am. But i am extremely limited in what i can do.

But

believe me, I am grateful for every single thing I can do. I am glad i can wash

the clothes and load the dishwasher. I couldn't do that a year or so ago. I

am grateful that I can sit on my porch and see the beauty around me out here in

the country. My world was full and gray a little over a year ago. I am

grateful that I can breathe deep for the first time in 15 years. I am grateful

that I am not too tired to pet my kitty and play with her. I am grateful that I

am not consumed with anxious thoughts any more. I am grateful that when my

husband kisses me, my lips have sensation again and that the kiss is so sweet.

I am grateful that my mind functions again. I am grateful that I can get thru

the day without a nap. I am grateful that I am once again a sweet person who

doesn't get irritable at every little thing. I am grateful that I have

energy to take a shower and enjoy it.

I'm rambling. But the point is...if you can't find a doctor to treat you

properly - then you do it yourself. The risks are too great if you don't. for

those who think self-medication is risky...I can only laugh at your ignorance.

sorry. but that's from one who sure wishes i had known about

" self-medication " when it could have made a major difference in my life.

Cindi

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In a message dated 3/3/2005 11:19:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, nc2406@...

writes:

> My world was full and gray a little over a year ago

that is " dull " and gray.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/3/2005 11:19:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, nc2406@...

writes:

> My world was full and gray a little over a year ago

that is " dull " and gray.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/3/2005 12:48:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

starz@... writes:

> ........gosh, how can anybody go through life not

> feeling well and not doing anything better to make it better for

> themselves. If it had not been for this group, I'd not be doing as

> well as I am. For those of you who really need to have a dr hold your

> hand, then expect this to take time, energy, money and effort to

> finally find somebody who is good at treating hypoT

amen on everything you said.

15 years ago...when i had one medical book...and was trying to find out what

was wrong with me...and from the symptoms, i thought it might be my thyroid

....i went to a doctor and asked for testing. Of course that TSH was NORMAL

according to the doctor. If only I'd had a computer then...and could have

researched. This kept happening over the years. I'd ask for testing and that

TSH

over 2 was always called NORMAL.

I missed the chance then because I didn't have internet access.

I finally did get diagnosed properly 15 years later. And the first two docs

would have continued to keep me sick. but NOW i have the internet and I found

this thyroid support group (and another one I did post too)....and it was

internet support thyroid groups that helped me regain my life. And that was by

self-medicating when a doctor would not give me enough to enable me to

function. Honest to goodness, I was so weak that I could not even change the

kitchen

trash bag. I couldn't lift it. My husband had to do anything that required

lifting....sometimes even pouring my a glass of milk from a full milk carton.

so yea...try to find a doctor - but I've been through about 10 different

doctors over the last 15 years (including some specialists who didn't recognize

the symptoms as hypo)...and I have more evidence that a doctor will keep you

sick than that they will get you well. And I continue to hear evidence of that

from others.

In thryoid disease, this just doesn't have to happen. It is fairly easy to

treat initially...but if you don't...you are risking long term and permanent

damage to your heart, your skin, and your central nervous system. That's your

brain, folks. Don't let a doctor cause you to suffer permament brain damage.

dang- i'm really down on the doctors today. but rightly so. what is going

on is terrible....this is not rocket science i don't think.

cindi

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In a message dated 3/3/2005 12:48:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

starz@... writes:

> ........gosh, how can anybody go through life not

> feeling well and not doing anything better to make it better for

> themselves. If it had not been for this group, I'd not be doing as

> well as I am. For those of you who really need to have a dr hold your

> hand, then expect this to take time, energy, money and effort to

> finally find somebody who is good at treating hypoT

amen on everything you said.

15 years ago...when i had one medical book...and was trying to find out what

was wrong with me...and from the symptoms, i thought it might be my thyroid

....i went to a doctor and asked for testing. Of course that TSH was NORMAL

according to the doctor. If only I'd had a computer then...and could have

researched. This kept happening over the years. I'd ask for testing and that

TSH

over 2 was always called NORMAL.

I missed the chance then because I didn't have internet access.

I finally did get diagnosed properly 15 years later. And the first two docs

would have continued to keep me sick. but NOW i have the internet and I found

this thyroid support group (and another one I did post too)....and it was

internet support thyroid groups that helped me regain my life. And that was by

self-medicating when a doctor would not give me enough to enable me to

function. Honest to goodness, I was so weak that I could not even change the

kitchen

trash bag. I couldn't lift it. My husband had to do anything that required

lifting....sometimes even pouring my a glass of milk from a full milk carton.

so yea...try to find a doctor - but I've been through about 10 different

doctors over the last 15 years (including some specialists who didn't recognize

the symptoms as hypo)...and I have more evidence that a doctor will keep you

sick than that they will get you well. And I continue to hear evidence of that

from others.

In thryoid disease, this just doesn't have to happen. It is fairly easy to

treat initially...but if you don't...you are risking long term and permanent

damage to your heart, your skin, and your central nervous system. That's your

brain, folks. Don't let a doctor cause you to suffer permament brain damage.

dang- i'm really down on the doctors today. but rightly so. what is going

on is terrible....this is not rocket science i don't think.

cindi

[Guest guest]

Betty, no can laugh....I am in the same situation as you are...and

from what I have been reading ,so are a lot of others here.....I have

been on the phone all morning trying to find someone new....as of

next week when the endo I HAVE been seeing finds out I have increased

to 3-1/2 grains , I KNOW that will be it there...so just biding my

time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to let me

suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic...??---I AM

SERIOUS...jeanne

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

[Guest guest]

Betty, no can laugh....I am in the same situation as you are...and

from what I have been reading ,so are a lot of others here.....I have

been on the phone all morning trying to find someone new....as of

next week when the endo I HAVE been seeing finds out I have increased

to 3-1/2 grains , I KNOW that will be it there...so just biding my

time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to let me

suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic...??---I AM

SERIOUS...jeanne

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

[Guest guest]

>

> Betty, no can laugh....I am in the same situation as you are...and

> from what I have been reading ,so are a lot of others here.....I

have

> been on the phone all morning trying to find someone new....as of

> next week when the endo I HAVE been seeing finds out I have

increased

> to 3-1/2 grains , I KNOW that will be it there...so just biding my

> time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

> ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to let

me

> suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic...??---I

AM

> SERIOUS...jeanne

> >

> > Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area

that

> > can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms

and

> > not just LAB RESULTS?

> >

> > Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One

that

> > will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep

from

> > slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

> >

> > If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha!

Will

> > the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low

forever?

> > Hmmmm!! What a mess.

Yes that is why I am really hesitant about finding a doctor. I get

to thinking " are they going to give me enough meds? So, then I just

put it out of my mind.

My husband will say " you need to find a doctor " . Now he understands

what is going on.

I recently got my bloodtests done(knowing I am hypo again) Sure

enough the ft4 was low(below the middle of the range). I called them

and told them my symptoms. The son of a you know whats didn't even

call me back. Is that not caring or what?

[Guest guest]

Betty, one of the easiest ways to find a good dr in your area is by

recommendation. There is a group called Thyroid Support, just add

Missouri to the mix, on yahoo. I'm betting somebody there will have a

dr who does do the proper testing. I wouldn't advise mentioning that

you self medicate if you do though. There are a lot of groups who

frown on that.

SandyE~Houston

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:46:58 -0000

" Betty Flager " betty_flager@...> wrote:

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Betty, one of the easiest ways to find a good dr in your area is by

recommendation. There is a group called Thyroid Support, just add

Missouri to the mix, on yahoo. I'm betting somebody there will have a

dr who does do the proper testing. I wouldn't advise mentioning that

you self medicate if you do though. There are a lot of groups who

frown on that.

SandyE~Houston

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:46:58 -0000

" Betty Flager " betty_flager@...> wrote:

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Betty, one of the easiest ways to find a good dr in your area is by

recommendation. There is a group called Thyroid Support, just add

Missouri to the mix, on yahoo. I'm betting somebody there will have a

dr who does do the proper testing. I wouldn't advise mentioning that

you self medicate if you do though. There are a lot of groups who

frown on that.

SandyE~Houston

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:46:58 -0000

" Betty Flager " betty_flager@...> wrote:

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sandy starz@...> wrote:

Betty, one of the easiest ways to find a good dr in your area is by

recommendation. There is a group called Thyroid Support, just add

Missouri to the mix, on yahoo. I'm betting somebody there will have a

dr who does do the proper testing. I wouldn't advise mentioning that

you self medicate if you do though. There are a lot of groups who

frown on that.

SandyE~Houston

Thanks Sandy, Yes I am sure they would frown on that. Ha!! I will try that.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:46:58 -0000

" Betty Flager " betty_flager@...> wrote:

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sandy starz@...> wrote:

Betty, one of the easiest ways to find a good dr in your area is by

recommendation. There is a group called Thyroid Support, just add

Missouri to the mix, on yahoo. I'm betting somebody there will have a

dr who does do the proper testing. I wouldn't advise mentioning that

you self medicate if you do though. There are a lot of groups who

frown on that.

SandyE~Houston

Thanks Sandy, Yes I am sure they would frown on that. Ha!! I will try that.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:46:58 -0000

" Betty Flager " betty_flager@...> wrote:

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sandy starz@...> wrote:

Betty, one of the easiest ways to find a good dr in your area is by

recommendation. There is a group called Thyroid Support, just add

Missouri to the mix, on yahoo. I'm betting somebody there will have a

dr who does do the proper testing. I wouldn't advise mentioning that

you self medicate if you do though. There are a lot of groups who

frown on that.

SandyE~Houston

Thanks Sandy, Yes I am sure they would frown on that. Ha!! I will try that.

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:46:58 -0000

" Betty Flager " betty_flager@...> wrote:

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Betty & Jeanne, for those of us who got sick and tired of being sick

and tired......I have to say that looking for a dr who is competent to

treat your symptoms in conjunction with labs.....is like looking for a

needle in a haystack. that is my take on the dr thing.

I took my health into my own hands almost a year ago. It was

definately the best decision I ever made in my life. It's been very

easy for me for the most part. I read and thought that if this many

people could get their lives back, then I had a chance for that same

thing. They were right.

It would be nice if dr's were all in the same league but we find that

with this disease, they aren't. If you know of a dr who has a loved

one who has thyroid disease, or is hypo themselves.......they are

usually more open to treating with Armour. I read these posts

everyday thinking........gosh, how can anybody go through life not

feeling well and not doing anything better to make it better for

themselves. If it had not been for this group, I'd not be doing as

well as I am. For those of you who really need to have a dr hold your

hand, then expect this to take time, energy, money and effort to

finally find somebody who is good at treating hypoT. I myself have

wasted enough money to last me a lifetime. If you ladies have not

read the book, Hypothyroidism, the Unsuspected Illness by Dr Broda

, then you need to do so. It's most likely at your local

library. If Dr could treat these 'vague' symptoms and find

better health results for his patients, then the same is possible for

us. For those of you who really 'NEED' a dr to tell you how to do

this, good luck in your search. I haven't had labs done since last

May, 2004. I have no intentions of spending any money at this time

either, because I go strictly by symptoms. So far, Dr was

right on the money.

SandyE~Houston

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:46:58 -0000

" Betty Flager " betty_flager@...> wrote:

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Betty & Jeanne, for those of us who got sick and tired of being sick

and tired......I have to say that looking for a dr who is competent to

treat your symptoms in conjunction with labs.....is like looking for a

needle in a haystack. that is my take on the dr thing.

I took my health into my own hands almost a year ago. It was

definately the best decision I ever made in my life. It's been very

easy for me for the most part. I read and thought that if this many

people could get their lives back, then I had a chance for that same

thing. They were right.

It would be nice if dr's were all in the same league but we find that

with this disease, they aren't. If you know of a dr who has a loved

one who has thyroid disease, or is hypo themselves.......they are

usually more open to treating with Armour. I read these posts

everyday thinking........gosh, how can anybody go through life not

feeling well and not doing anything better to make it better for

themselves. If it had not been for this group, I'd not be doing as

well as I am. For those of you who really need to have a dr hold your

hand, then expect this to take time, energy, money and effort to

finally find somebody who is good at treating hypoT. I myself have

wasted enough money to last me a lifetime. If you ladies have not

read the book, Hypothyroidism, the Unsuspected Illness by Dr Broda

, then you need to do so. It's most likely at your local

library. If Dr could treat these 'vague' symptoms and find

better health results for his patients, then the same is possible for

us. For those of you who really 'NEED' a dr to tell you how to do

this, good luck in your search. I haven't had labs done since last

May, 2004. I have no intentions of spending any money at this time

either, because I go strictly by symptoms. So far, Dr was

right on the money.

SandyE~Houston

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:46:58 -0000

" Betty Flager " betty_flager@...> wrote:

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Sandy you explained it so well. You should become a writer or are you? That

book sounds familiar. I believe I did read that from the library. Will have to

check it out again to refresh my slowmind.Ha!

You are so right when you said " IT " S LIKE LOOKING FOR A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK "

Sandy starz@...> wrote:

Betty & Jeanne, for those of us who got sick and tired of being sick

and tired......I have to say that looking for a dr who is competent to

treat your symptoms in conjunction with labs.....is like looking for a

needle in a haystack. that is my take on the dr thing.

I took my health into my own hands almost a year ago. It was

definately the best decision I ever made in my life. It's been very

easy for me for the most part. I read and thought that if this many

people could get their lives back, then I had a chance for that same

thing. They were right.

It would be nice if dr's were all in the same league but we find that

with this disease, they aren't. If you know of a dr who has a loved

one who has thyroid disease, or is hypo themselves.......they are

usually more open to treating with Armour. I read these posts

everyday thinking........gosh, how can anybody go through life not

feeling well and not doing anything better to make it better for

themselves. If it had not been for this group, I'd not be doing as

well as I am. For those of you who really need to have a dr hold your

hand, then expect this to take time, energy, money and effort to

finally find somebody who is good at treating hypoT. I myself have

wasted enough money to last me a lifetime. If you ladies have not

read the book, Hypothyroidism, the Unsuspected Illness by Dr Broda

, then you need to do so. It's most likely at your local

library. If Dr could treat these 'vague' symptoms and find

better health results for his patients, then the same is possible for

us. For those of you who really 'NEED' a dr to tell you how to do

this, good luck in your search. I haven't had labs done since last

May, 2004. I have no intentions of spending any money at this time

either, because I go strictly by symptoms. So far, Dr was

right on the money.

SandyE~Houston

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 15:46:58 -0000

" Betty Flager " betty_flager@...> wrote:

>

> Is there anyone here that lives in the Southwest Missouri area that

> can recommend a good doc. One that will listen to your symptoms and

> not just LAB RESULTS?

>

> Am betting I won't get an answer here. I could be wrong. One that

> will understand that you had to take it upon yourself to keep from

> slowly dying from lack of thyroid hormone.

>

> If you feel like laughing to this question, go ahead. Ha! Ha! Will

> the doctor start me on a very low dose and keep it that low forever?

> Hmmmm!! What a mess.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- :ahhhh Cindi, I purposely did not trim your post,the whole post

needs to be read again, by everyone.....I too, have been hypo for at

LEAST 16 years,that I know of....and was not diagnosed until 8 months

ago.....seriously it was probably more like 22 yrs...because now that

I know what I know...so many illnesses,4 misscarriages,chronic

anemia,low blood sugar(to the point of coma)---why in the " HE double

toothpicks " --did not someone figure it out?---it was not until I was

laying in the hospital with encephalitis this summer that someone

finally felt my neck, and decided to do the ultra sound....I am with

you girl...do not expect to be any where near the place 'I could

be',,,BUT JUST SO GRATEFUL,that I will be here to see my kids grow

up...and not be depressed all the time,and have enuff energy to walk

my dogs,work in my garden again...and yes,,...take in a deep ,fulll

breath again..it has been a long time....jeanne

es>

> > so just biding my

> > time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

> > ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to

let me

> > suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic

>

> no - it's not dramatic.

>

> I am suffering now at age 49 because i couldn't get ANY thyroid

hormone for

> the last 15-25 years I needed it. My body is damaged. I will

never be who I

> was supposed to be because of doctors who could not recognize

clinical symptoms

> in someone even when the patient was telling them what she thought

the

> problem was. I consider it a miracle that I am even alive and

didn't just die of

> heart failure while sleeping on my living room couch last winter.

>

> And probably has some of the same sentiments from being

undertreated

> on Synthroid.

>

> The doctors in my opinion have commited criminal acts whether they

realize it

> or not. It is criminal to endanger another person's health in the

way they

> have. They may not pay in this life. I expect them to fully pay

in the next

> life.

>

> So do what you have to do. I don't want anyone to go thru what I

have...and

> what I am currently going thru. I often state I am doing

well...and

> considering where I was, I am. But i am extremely limited in what

i can do. But

> believe me, I am grateful for every single thing I can do. I am

glad i can wash

> the clothes and load the dishwasher. I couldn't do that a year or

so ago. I

> am grateful that I can sit on my porch and see the beauty around me

out here in

> the country. My world was full and gray a little over a year ago.

I am

> grateful that I can breathe deep for the first time in 15 years. I

am grateful

> that I am not too tired to pet my kitty and play with her. I am

grateful that I

> am not consumed with anxious thoughts any more. I am grateful that

when my

> husband kisses me, my lips have sensation again and that the kiss

is so sweet.

> I am grateful that my mind functions again. I am grateful that I

can get thru

> the day without a nap. I am grateful that I am once again a sweet

person who

> doesn't get irritable at every little thing. I am grateful that I

have

> energy to take a shower and enjoy it.

>

> I'm rambling. But the point is...if you can't find a doctor to

treat you

> properly - then you do it yourself. The risks are too great if you

don't. for

> those who think self-medication is risky...I can only laugh at your

ignorance.

> sorry. but that's from one who sure wishes i had known about

> " self-medication " when it could have made a major difference in my

life.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- :ahhhh Cindi, I purposely did not trim your post,the whole post

needs to be read again, by everyone.....I too, have been hypo for at

LEAST 16 years,that I know of....and was not diagnosed until 8 months

ago.....seriously it was probably more like 22 yrs...because now that

I know what I know...so many illnesses,4 misscarriages,chronic

anemia,low blood sugar(to the point of coma)---why in the " HE double

toothpicks " --did not someone figure it out?---it was not until I was

laying in the hospital with encephalitis this summer that someone

finally felt my neck, and decided to do the ultra sound....I am with

you girl...do not expect to be any where near the place 'I could

be',,,BUT JUST SO GRATEFUL,that I will be here to see my kids grow

up...and not be depressed all the time,and have enuff energy to walk

my dogs,work in my garden again...and yes,,...take in a deep ,fulll

breath again..it has been a long time....jeanne

es>

> > so just biding my

> > time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

> > ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to

let me

> > suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic

>

> no - it's not dramatic.

>

> I am suffering now at age 49 because i couldn't get ANY thyroid

hormone for

> the last 15-25 years I needed it. My body is damaged. I will

never be who I

> was supposed to be because of doctors who could not recognize

clinical symptoms

> in someone even when the patient was telling them what she thought

the

> problem was. I consider it a miracle that I am even alive and

didn't just die of

> heart failure while sleeping on my living room couch last winter.

>

> And probably has some of the same sentiments from being

undertreated

> on Synthroid.

>

> The doctors in my opinion have commited criminal acts whether they

realize it

> or not. It is criminal to endanger another person's health in the

way they

> have. They may not pay in this life. I expect them to fully pay

in the next

> life.

>

> So do what you have to do. I don't want anyone to go thru what I

have...and

> what I am currently going thru. I often state I am doing

well...and

> considering where I was, I am. But i am extremely limited in what

i can do. But

> believe me, I am grateful for every single thing I can do. I am

glad i can wash

> the clothes and load the dishwasher. I couldn't do that a year or

so ago. I

> am grateful that I can sit on my porch and see the beauty around me

out here in

> the country. My world was full and gray a little over a year ago.

I am

> grateful that I can breathe deep for the first time in 15 years. I

am grateful

> that I am not too tired to pet my kitty and play with her. I am

grateful that I

> am not consumed with anxious thoughts any more. I am grateful that

when my

> husband kisses me, my lips have sensation again and that the kiss

is so sweet.

> I am grateful that my mind functions again. I am grateful that I

can get thru

> the day without a nap. I am grateful that I am once again a sweet

person who

> doesn't get irritable at every little thing. I am grateful that I

have

> energy to take a shower and enjoy it.

>

> I'm rambling. But the point is...if you can't find a doctor to

treat you

> properly - then you do it yourself. The risks are too great if you

don't. for

> those who think self-medication is risky...I can only laugh at your

ignorance.

> sorry. but that's from one who sure wishes i had known about

> " self-medication " when it could have made a major difference in my

life.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- :ahhhh Cindi, I purposely did not trim your post,the whole post

needs to be read again, by everyone.....I too, have been hypo for at

LEAST 16 years,that I know of....and was not diagnosed until 8 months

ago.....seriously it was probably more like 22 yrs...because now that

I know what I know...so many illnesses,4 misscarriages,chronic

anemia,low blood sugar(to the point of coma)---why in the " HE double

toothpicks " --did not someone figure it out?---it was not until I was

laying in the hospital with encephalitis this summer that someone

finally felt my neck, and decided to do the ultra sound....I am with

you girl...do not expect to be any where near the place 'I could

be',,,BUT JUST SO GRATEFUL,that I will be here to see my kids grow

up...and not be depressed all the time,and have enuff energy to walk

my dogs,work in my garden again...and yes,,...take in a deep ,fulll

breath again..it has been a long time....jeanne

es>

> > so just biding my

> > time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

> > ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to

let me

> > suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic

>

> no - it's not dramatic.

>

> I am suffering now at age 49 because i couldn't get ANY thyroid

hormone for

> the last 15-25 years I needed it. My body is damaged. I will

never be who I

> was supposed to be because of doctors who could not recognize

clinical symptoms

> in someone even when the patient was telling them what she thought

the

> problem was. I consider it a miracle that I am even alive and

didn't just die of

> heart failure while sleeping on my living room couch last winter.

>

> And probably has some of the same sentiments from being

undertreated

> on Synthroid.

>

> The doctors in my opinion have commited criminal acts whether they

realize it

> or not. It is criminal to endanger another person's health in the

way they

> have. They may not pay in this life. I expect them to fully pay

in the next

> life.

>

> So do what you have to do. I don't want anyone to go thru what I

have...and

> what I am currently going thru. I often state I am doing

well...and

> considering where I was, I am. But i am extremely limited in what

i can do. But

> believe me, I am grateful for every single thing I can do. I am

glad i can wash

> the clothes and load the dishwasher. I couldn't do that a year or

so ago. I

> am grateful that I can sit on my porch and see the beauty around me

out here in

> the country. My world was full and gray a little over a year ago.

I am

> grateful that I can breathe deep for the first time in 15 years. I

am grateful

> that I am not too tired to pet my kitty and play with her. I am

grateful that I

> am not consumed with anxious thoughts any more. I am grateful that

when my

> husband kisses me, my lips have sensation again and that the kiss

is so sweet.

> I am grateful that my mind functions again. I am grateful that I

can get thru

> the day without a nap. I am grateful that I am once again a sweet

person who

> doesn't get irritable at every little thing. I am grateful that I

have

> energy to take a shower and enjoy it.

>

> I'm rambling. But the point is...if you can't find a doctor to

treat you

> properly - then you do it yourself. The risks are too great if you

don't. for

> those who think self-medication is risky...I can only laugh at your

ignorance.

> sorry. but that's from one who sure wishes i had known about

> " self-medication " when it could have made a major difference in my

life.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- :ahhhh Cindi, I purposely did not trim your post,the whole post

needs to be read again, by everyone.....I too, have been hypo for at

LEAST 16 years,that I know of....and was not diagnosed until 8 months

ago.....seriously it was probably more like 22 yrs...because now that

I know what I know...so many illnesses,4 misscarriages,chronic

anemia,low blood sugar(to the point of coma)---why in the " HE double

toothpicks " --did not someone figure it out?---it was not until I was

laying in the hospital with encephalitis this summer that someone

finally felt my neck, and decided to do the ultra sound....I am with

you girl...do not expect to be any where near the place 'I could

be',,,BUT JUST SO GRATEFUL,that I will be here to see my kids grow

up...and not be depressed all the time,and have enuff energy to walk

my dogs,work in my garden again...and yes,,...take in a deep ,fulll

breath again..it has been a long time....jeanne

es>

> > so just biding my

> > time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

> > ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to

let me

> > suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic

>

> no - it's not dramatic.

>

> I am suffering now at age 49 because i couldn't get ANY thyroid

hormone for

> the last 15-25 years I needed it. My body is damaged. I will

never be who I

> was supposed to be because of doctors who could not recognize

clinical symptoms

> in someone even when the patient was telling them what she thought

the

> problem was. I consider it a miracle that I am even alive and

didn't just die of

> heart failure while sleeping on my living room couch last winter.

>

> And probably has some of the same sentiments from being

undertreated

> on Synthroid.

>

> The doctors in my opinion have commited criminal acts whether they

realize it

> or not. It is criminal to endanger another person's health in the

way they

> have. They may not pay in this life. I expect them to fully pay

in the next

> life.

>

> So do what you have to do. I don't want anyone to go thru what I

have...and

> what I am currently going thru. I often state I am doing

well...and

> considering where I was, I am. But i am extremely limited in what

i can do. But

> believe me, I am grateful for every single thing I can do. I am

glad i can wash

> the clothes and load the dishwasher. I couldn't do that a year or

so ago. I

> am grateful that I can sit on my porch and see the beauty around me

out here in

> the country. My world was full and gray a little over a year ago.

I am

> grateful that I can breathe deep for the first time in 15 years. I

am grateful

> that I am not too tired to pet my kitty and play with her. I am

grateful that I

> am not consumed with anxious thoughts any more. I am grateful that

when my

> husband kisses me, my lips have sensation again and that the kiss

is so sweet.

> I am grateful that my mind functions again. I am grateful that I

can get thru

> the day without a nap. I am grateful that I am once again a sweet

person who

> doesn't get irritable at every little thing. I am grateful that I

have

> energy to take a shower and enjoy it.

>

> I'm rambling. But the point is...if you can't find a doctor to

treat you

> properly - then you do it yourself. The risks are too great if you

don't. for

> those who think self-medication is risky...I can only laugh at your

ignorance.

> sorry. but that's from one who sure wishes i had known about

> " self-medication " when it could have made a major difference in my

life.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- :ahhhh Cindi, I purposely did not trim your post,the whole post

needs to be read again, by everyone.....I too, have been hypo for at

LEAST 16 years,that I know of....and was not diagnosed until 8 months

ago.....seriously it was probably more like 22 yrs...because now that

I know what I know...so many illnesses,4 misscarriages,chronic

anemia,low blood sugar(to the point of coma)---why in the " HE double

toothpicks " --did not someone figure it out?---it was not until I was

laying in the hospital with encephalitis this summer that someone

finally felt my neck, and decided to do the ultra sound....I am with

you girl...do not expect to be any where near the place 'I could

be',,,BUT JUST SO GRATEFUL,that I will be here to see my kids grow

up...and not be depressed all the time,and have enuff energy to walk

my dogs,work in my garden again...and yes,,...take in a deep ,fulll

breath again..it has been a long time....jeanne

es>

> > so just biding my

> > time,trying to get a jump start on the next candidate to give me

> > ARMOUR --and enuff to heal my broken body....not just enuff to

let me

> > suffer and die a slow agonizing death....sound dramatic

>

> no - it's not dramatic.

>

> I am suffering now at age 49 because i couldn't get ANY thyroid

hormone for

> the last 15-25 years I needed it. My body is damaged. I will

never be who I

> was supposed to be because of doctors who could not recognize

clinical symptoms

> in someone even when the patient was telling them what she thought

the

> problem was. I consider it a miracle that I am even alive and

didn't just die of

> heart failure while sleeping on my living room couch last winter.

>

> And probably has some of the same sentiments from being

undertreated

> on Synthroid.

>

> The doctors in my opinion have commited criminal acts whether they

realize it

> or not. It is criminal to endanger another person's health in the

way they

> have. They may not pay in this life. I expect them to fully pay

in the next

> life.

>

> So do what you have to do. I don't want anyone to go thru what I

have...and

> what I am currently going thru. I often state I am doing

well...and

> considering where I was, I am. But i am extremely limited in what

i can do. But

> believe me, I am grateful for every single thing I can do. I am

glad i can wash

> the clothes and load the dishwasher. I couldn't do that a year or

so ago. I

> am grateful that I can sit on my porch and see the beauty around me

out here in

> the country. My world was full and gray a little over a year ago.

I am

> grateful that I can breathe deep for the first time in 15 years. I

am grateful

> that I am not too tired to pet my kitty and play with her. I am

grateful that I

> am not consumed with anxious thoughts any more. I am grateful that

when my

> husband kisses me, my lips have sensation again and that the kiss

is so sweet.

> I am grateful that my mind functions again. I am grateful that I

can get thru

> the day without a nap. I am grateful that I am once again a sweet

person who

> doesn't get irritable at every little thing. I am grateful that I

have

> energy to take a shower and enjoy it.

>

> I'm rambling. But the point is...if you can't find a doctor to

treat you

> properly - then you do it yourself. The risks are too great if you

don't. for

> those who think self-medication is risky...I can only laugh at your

ignorance.

> sorry. but that's from one who sure wishes i had known about

> " self-medication " when it could have made a major difference in my

life.

> Cindi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--

RIGHT ON SANDY....I HEAR YA'...i self treat now too......enuff is

enuff...only lookin' for someone to get another base rx form...and

then add to it...jeanne

In NaturalThyroidHormones , " Sandy "

wrote:

> Betty & Jeanne, for those of us who got sick and tired of being

sick

> , for this group, I'd not be doing as

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >