Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 I just recieved the paliminary report from NIH. First time anyone mentioned Classical type. Some important things where left out of this report, but it gives me a starting point to take to the Dr. They make the heart issue sound like no big deal, but I'm not comfortable with that. It is the first thing I want looked at. So below I'll copy/paste the paliminary report: ******************************************************************** Hello Cindy, Here is a brief report of your son Dylan Keil's findings. The full report will take a while, but in the meantime please feel free to share this note with his physicians so some of the work-up and recommendations we have for him can be implemented promptly. Dylan has hypermobile EDS, however, an argument can be made that he may have the " classical " type, too, since he has the unusual stretch marks with cigarette paper appearance on his skin. His major issue at the moment is his musculoskeletal pain, especially his right knee. He also has non-restorative sleep and autonomic dysfunction as evidenced by orthostatic measurements we did on him. The notable findings on Dylan's studies here so far include the following: (this list is not exhaustive since we don't have all the reports yet) 1) EKG - First degree AV block with bradycardia. This can be seen as a variant in young people, but it should be followed periodically. He will not get into trouble unless he develops additional " blocks " in the conducting system of his heart. It does explain why his heart rate is slow even when he is in pain. The autonomic dysfunction is the reason that his blood pressure may still be low when he is in pain. 2) MRI of lumbar spine- Disk bulge at T12-L1 level without evidence of compromise of the spinal cord. Axial sections were not done. At the location where there was a previous fracture at the level of L3 transverse process, there was no evidence of infringement of the nerve root currently. This does not rule out that a past injury may have occurred to the roots at the time of the fracture, since there was no radiological study done at the time to evaluate that except for the XRAY that demonstrated the fracture, the results of which had not been reported to you. 3) Dylan had increased reflexes on his right arm as compared to the left arm. The nerves that control this come out of the roots of the c-spine and upper t-spine. We did not study this part of his spine with the MRI. The nerves also pass through his shoulders where Dylan is very hypermobile. This is a finding that should be followed and if other symptoms such as weakness, numbness or tingling would appear, an MRI of the C-spine would be recommended. 4) The cause of Dylan's knee pain has NOT been studied exhaustively. Radiological studies of his right hip are certainly indicated since hip pathology can result in pain referring to the knee. Nerve conduction studies can also be helpful since he has some sensory deficits over his right thigh based on his physical exam. If no pathology is found in the hip, a visit to the neurologist is a good idea. 5) Dylan's bone density in his hips is somewhat low -called osteopenia-(around -2 z score as compared to an average 20 year old- our machine does not have standards available for a 17 year old). This may be related to his lack of weight bearing over the past couple of years. Adequate calcium intake with Vitamin D is recommended with follow-up studies to be considered at home in 1 year). 6) Dylan has some pain around his sternum that can be from a condition called " costochondritis " , however, some patients with EDS dislocate their ribs which can also cause this type of pain. A lateral and AP Chest X-ray to evaluate this probably not a bad idea. Though I would certainly watch the amount of radiation he is getting since I know he has had a lot of XRAYs done. 7) The goal should be that Dylan's pain should be adequately controlled so that he can be weight bearing if at all possible. Severe pain is often associated with EDS and long-term narcotic use is not uncommon. If it can lead to an improvement in his functional status, narcotics should not be withheld based on concern for addiction. Many individuals with EDS have extended to time they can work and function productively with the use of narcotics. He does seem very sensitive to the side-effects of narcotics, however, so the goal should be that adequate relief should be obtained with as few side effects as possible. He seems to have relief from narcotic induced constipation with the use of Miralax, and this should be continued while he is on narcotics. 8) Many individuals with EDS have sleep dysfunction and benefit from pharmacological or other sleep aids (such as the use of alternative medicine techniques that do not have side effects). Benadryl is not recommended since it worsens constipation and does not improve the deep part of sleep which has the most restorative qualities. He did not respond well to 10 mg Ambien while he was here, but perhaps he would do well with 5 mg or can try another medicine called Sonata. Medications used should be short acting so that they don't cause daytime drowsiness or balance problems. Adequate sleep often improves the quality of life in patients with EDS and their fatigue and pain seems to improve, based on anectodal reports by patients. 9) He does have scoliosis based on physical exam, although it is mild. I don't expect it to get much worse, however, being bed-bound will not help here. 10) The ultimate goal is to get Dylan functional. Please let us know if we can be of any help. Dylan's doctors can contact us if they need any further information on him or on EDS in general. I will be happy to speak with Dylan's primary doctor if he would like to call me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 In a message dated 8/20/2004 4:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, c-clark05@... writes: The ultimate goal is to get Dylan functional. Please let us know if we can be of any help. Dylan's doctors can contact us if they need any further information on him or on EDS in general. I will be happy to speak with Dylan's primary doctor if he would like to call me. THis is wonderful that they wuill makethemselves available to speak with the homehown doctors. The f/u is often where other miss the boat if you know what I meed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 In a message dated 8/20/2004 4:23:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, c-clark05@... writes: The ultimate goal is to get Dylan functional. Please let us know if we can be of any help. Dylan's doctors can contact us if they need any further information on him or on EDS in general. I will be happy to speak with Dylan's primary doctor if he would like to call me. THis is wonderful that they wuill makethemselves available to speak with the homehown doctors. The f/u is often where other miss the boat if you know what I meed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Classical EDS too?/NIH report 8) Many individuals with EDS have sleep dysfunction and benefit from pharmacological or other sleep aids (such as the use of alternative medicine techniques that do not have side effects). Benadryl is not recommended since it worsens constipation and does not improve the deep part of sleep which has the most restorative qualities. He did not respond well to 10 mg Ambien while he was here, but perhaps he would do well with 5 mg or can try another medicine called Sonata. Medications used should be short acting so that they don't cause daytime drowsiness or balance problems. Adequate sleep often improves the quality of life in patients with EDS and their fatigue and pain seems to improve, based on anectodal reports by patients. ~~~~~~` I found this part of the report very interesting since I, too, have sleep problems and not getting restorative sleep. I take Benedryl at night along with melatonin but have found that even in combination along with 2 Tylenol 3's nightly, I STILL don't get to sleep for at least an hour or two and don't get good sleep. I have tried Ambien that the MD gave me but don't take it unless I'm having a really bad night. It does put me to sleep, which feels wonderful! I had been on lorazapam years ago, but I had to wean mysrlf off it because it was causing cognitive problems....but I used to get good sleep with that too. I will ask my MD the next time about Sonata as Ambien can be addicting, which is one reason why I only take it on a limited basis. I hope that Dylan now gets the help he needs with the preliminary findings, Cindy. Maybe this will answer some of the questions you have had about Dylan not getting pain relief. I like the fact that the NIH MD's mentioned that EDSers can have severe pain issues... If I bend over, I feel my ribs twist, sometimes and does it hurt!!! Thanks for sharing the report, Cindy. Now, you go girl on getting him the help he needs!!!! Hear the mamma cat roar!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2004 Report Share Posted August 20, 2004 Hi Cindy: How are you....particularly in view of all this information, but you have been very worried and just knew a great deal was going on with Dylan. Now you have the info to move ahead with possible treatments and much greater understanding of the core problems. Know thine enemy, so to speak. Do you know if it is standard practice for study participants to receive a preliminary report( by e-mail I assume) and especially in this short time? I have always found Dr.'s notes to be devoid of reference to the gravity of or prognosis for a patient....just factual. I suspect this preliminary report is indicative of their concern. They do talk of the need for prompt work-up and recommendations and identify the AV Block as the No. 1 item and also the autonomic dysfunction. I believe you said he had an echo and MRA of the Aorta so perhaps those tests are normal since there was no mention of abnormality in this report, particularly as the AV block was identified. Here's hoping!! It seems unusual that they chose not to do an MRI of the cervical or thoracic spine despite the abnormalities they and you observed. Bernie Classical EDS too?/NIH report I just recieved the paliminary report from NIH. First time anyone mentioned Classical type. Some important things where left out of this report, but it gives me a starting point to take to the Dr. They make the heart issue sound like no big deal, but I'm not comfortable with that. It is the first thing I want looked at. So below I'll copy/paste the paliminary report: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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