Re: How bad does the pain have to be?

[Guest guest]

Hi Jacqui,

Despite unproved claims made neither diet or anything you may take will have

real impact on the cartilage of a hip or any other joint.......... If one is

obese and loses weight it will have an impact on the load carrying of a hip

joint and thus take some of the pressure off the surfaces if they are

rubbing together.......... Now if there was still very good foundation

cartilage left, and one then undertook a series of good exercises to fully

extend and mobilize the joint without pressure on it, the body may, and that

is a real may, decide to replace the cartilage.......... The cartilage

doesn't have blood vessels so depends on the movement of synovial fluid

which only happens with how the joint is exercised and extended. I suspect

that most diets following fairly normal food groups etc would supply all the

nutrients needed to do that..........

I continue to be bemused that people in general think taking supplements is

the first line of defence for healthy joints......... Healthy joints are the

product of a body that starts out with all bones properly aligned, is kept

exercised in a manner that keeps joints well extended and lubricated and

isn't unfortunate with accidents/life events that mess up either alignments

or the actual cartilage situations......... I suspect nutrition only gets to

be a player in the situation of maintaining joint health in critical

malutrition situations - a situation that is complete nonsense in most lives

in western countries.............

Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

>

> Is there something I havent tried? How about Glucosamine and cod

> liver oil? Changing my diet? I want to be sure I have tried

> everything before I do this, then I will start looking forward and

> not treading water! Eeek, I've only got 4 days to sort this out!!!

>

> PS I had CDH which was corrected as a child. Now joint is deformed

> and has very little cartliage.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Sorry but those articles only highlight the problem that I see

happening.......... someone does a study that says you can do something in a

laboratory and so it becomes a story that it may do it in a human body and

suddenly it is implied as a fix.........

The words from the main article........

Professor Caterson explains that the Omega-3 fatty acids in Cod Liver Oil

work by switching off the aggrecan- and collagen-degrading enzymes that

break down joint cartilage. This, in effect, slows the progress of cartilage

destruction that occurs in arthritis, reduces inflammation and thus lessens

pain. He goes on to say, " Two years ago, research teams led by Professor

Harwood and myself at Cardiff University reported findings suggesting

that the Omega-3 fatty acids in Cod Liver Oil can reduce cartilage

degradation and inflammation in arthritic disease. Our most recent work

shows that by exposing human osteoarthritic cartilage to Cod Liver Oil in

the laboratory for just 24 hours we can turn off, or reverse, the action of

the degradative enzymes and inflammatory factors affecting the tissue " . Adds

Professor Harwood, " This is where science and old wives' tales coincide. Our

findings are consistent with advice that taking Cod Liver Oil in early

adulthood could prevent the onset of osteoarthritis and would reduce the

harmful symptoms associated with the disease. "

******Note it says in a laboratory..............

............We can find articles about scientists using stem cells to make

cartilage too but at least they make it clear that when they tried it in a

real body it simply didn't happen..........

To me this article appears to be presuming for some reason that most people

with arthritis eating out the hip cartilage have a lack of these

constituents causing it..........who has proved that..........??? Why would

the people of UK be lacking in these constituents in such a detrimental

fashion as implied???

And that's before we get to the problem that they are presuming that the

body is going to immediately know to transport the larger quantities of the

stuff to the affected joint, find a healthy bursia operating with full

normal joint flexion and just pop it in there to repair cartilage while it

is being continually being rubbed to death........

Pull the other one it plays jingle bells...........

Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

> Here's a link to some scientific evidence supporting the omega 3's

> in cod liver oil and their beneficial effect on joint cartilage.

>

>

> http://hdlighthouse.org/see/diet/supplements/cod.htm

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1817974.stm

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3480053.stm

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> Dr. Nolthenius

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>

>

> > Hi Jacqui,

> >

> > Despite unproved claims made neither diet or anything you may take

> will have

> > real impact on the cartilage of a hip or any other joint..........

> If one is

> > obese and loses weight it will have an impact on the load carrying

> of a hip

> > joint and thus take some of the pressure off the surfaces if they

> are

> > rubbing together.......... Now if there was still very good

> foundation

> > cartilage left, and one then undertook a series of good exercises

> to fully

> > extend and mobilize the joint without pressure on it, the body

> may, and that

> > is a real may, decide to replace the cartilage.......... The

> cartilage

> > doesn't have blood vessels so depends on the movement of synovial

> fluid

> > which only happens with how the joint is exercised and extended. I

> suspect

> > that most diets following fairly normal food groups etc would

> supply all the

> > nutrients needed to do that..........

> >

> > I continue to be bemused that people in general think taking

> supplements is

> > the first line of defence for healthy joints......... Healthy

> joints are the

> > product of a body that starts out with all bones properly aligned,

> is kept

> > exercised in a manner that keeps joints well extended and

> lubricated and

> > isn't unfortunate with accidents/life events that mess up either

> alignments

> > or the actual cartilage situations......... I suspect nutrition

> only gets to

> > be a player in the situation of maintaining joint health in

> critical

> > malutrition situations - a situation that is complete nonsense in

> most lives

> > in western countries.............

> >

> > Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02

> > >

> > > Is there something I havent tried? How about Glucosamine and cod

> > > liver oil? Changing my diet? I want to be sure I have tried

> > > everything before I do this, then I will start looking forward

> and

> > > not treading water! Eeek, I've only got 4 days to sort this

> out!!!

> > >

> > > PS I had CDH which was corrected as a child. Now joint is

> deformed

> > > and has very little cartliage.

> > >

> > >

> > >

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