WAS-Re: Re: ENZY: Thanks to my Lawyer! NOW-different angle.

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Deborah- The money this lady wanted was to pay for the Hospital bill that she

can not afford. Her work did not offer benefits, and she can not afford to pay

the extra hospital trip, the cost of the DC, and the 2 blood transfusions that

she had to pay for. It was in no way greed, it was cost of bills, along with the

fact that her husband lost his father 2 months prior, and thought he was going

to lose his wife. He also had to carry her from the bathroom gushing blood, to

the hospital, and had to help hold her up, while the nurses undressed her bloody

clothing b/c she was too weak to move. This was traumatic, and he is still

dealing with it. That is not for greed...You are more likely to win if you are

famous, because people know who you are. If someone insulted me on the street, a

neighbor passed around a bunch of lies (ex- I am a rapist/child

abuser/kidnapper...whatever) I could sue for liable...the odds of winning are

nil...My child was also vaccination damaged, and you can't put a price on the

pain and suffering we went through, NOR the amount of money we have spent out of

pocket for therapies...we are waiting for an apology from the Govt. (I am not

holding my breathe) Even an apology wouldn't do it for me..it would never be

sincere enough...I think taking people to court is embarassing enough...that Dr.

Rimland was dragged to court was great...he should be judged on his character,

grandfather of autism, my ass....BUT unfortunatley Money hurts more than

sorry...He should have had to pay, JMO-Shari

WAS-Re: Re: ENZY: Thanks to my Lawyer! NOW-different angle.

Hi ,

OT , a small point but,I'm sorry, fame has nothing to do with ones

ability to sue for libel and slander( I used to specialise in these

subjects when I was working) . The man in the street is condidered to

have as much right legally to his reputation as anyone. The only

issue is the value finacially placed on that reputation.....if a film

star is slandered it may affect his value at the next film by

millions but a housewife ( for example ) has little financilal

interest in her name . You will fail if you seek a disproportionate

recovery for damage to your good name - you may succeed if you are

seeking a retraction or an apology which in fairness is more

appropriate - why would money make you feel better . And monies

awarded are COMPENSATION - to try and help the person who has ( as

you said ) lost a limb etc , try an regain the quality of life they

had before they were injured . The woman you quoted - whuy will money

help for what happened to her - does she need money to cope with a

left over disability as a result of her terrible time . If she were

awarded £100,000 for what happened to her ...and then the vaccine

damage claim for my son paid him only £100,000 would that be fair .

She gets nice holidays - I have to try and make the money last for

the rest of his life .

Money to make you feel better is a dangerous and greedy idea - it

throws insurance premiums through the roof and makes every guy on the

make who trips in a store find a means to screw the system for money .

An apology and steps top make sure it never happens again would be

better - perhaps a payment to a related charity ??

If Rimland et al can't find the dignity and grace to waivre the money

they should give it to an ASD charity

Deborah

> , I am sorry for the amoint of money you have to pay...I am a

little confused however. You tried to sue Rimland for comments made

about you, or Devon? Unforunately, even though I do NOT agree, Devon

would have more of a case than you. When you are sueing because of

something said, you usually have to show " damages " . Devon can claim

that his sales went down, because of false information. If you profit

in no way from the sales, and didn't lose anything tangible, just had

your " credibility " effected, unfortunately the courts don't care

about that. You also are not famous, so it's not like a lot of people

now disbelieve you....fame is the problem. Even though I love what

Devon has done for my child, he probably is not famous enough either

to yell " liable " or " slander " Did you write a book? Can you claim

Book sales dropped off after comments made? The courts/ Judges

usually look for MONEY lost. Pathetic that feelings don't count, but

they usually look for monetary loss, or physical damage. Maybe if you

start seeing a psychiatrist (EVEN though I am SURE you don't need

one) You can claim the comments made affected your mental well

being...I am friends with MANY lawyers, and have seen SO many people

screwes...Ex- Someone close to me- the hospital almost killed her

during child birth, left a piece of placenta in her, and she

hemmoraghed for nearly a week. When they readmitted her her levels

were 40 over 20- NEAR dead, they FINALLY removed the placenta piece,

and she began to heal. Went for legal counseling with a GREAT Lawyer

I know, and what he basically said is " The court looks for missing

limbs, physical problems that this caused (Like losing ability to

bear children) or Money lost for time out of work...(she was not

working at the time, on leave) " SO the court system sucks...There

SHOULD be an ammendment for people's feelings...that's why our legal

system sucks. You can get Money if your child is killed for " pain and

suffering " yet all other pain and suffering doesn't count.....If I

missed the boat here let me know -Shari- Who knows you were hurt,

and I totally understand...You were just telling everyone how much

you love Devon's Products, and I WHOLE Heartedly agree...I recently

was flamed for doing the same...

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hi,

...then the money was NOT for hurt and distress as you said originally

but to meet financial need - that is very different.

I know personally of libel cases won by " nobodies " ......they just

don't get in the papers.If your neighbour maliciously called you a

rapist or whatever and you could prove it the chances are you would

win. You only need to prove that it was false , that they knew it to

be false and they the spread it publicly with malice . In fact the

biggest case i ever handled was a woman suing a disabilities

charity ...hows that for charity !

I didn't anywhere say that an apology should be accepted instead of

valid compensation for disability, i said it was more appropriate for

cases of libel or distress with no physical consequences.I wouldn't

accept an apology from the govt. or the vaccine manufacturer either.

Finally I wasn't refering to s case at all - that's why i marked

my comments OT so my comments were nothing to do with that - except

specificly the last lines where i said Rimland should waive the money

or give it to charity.

regards

Deborah

> > , I am sorry for the amoint of money you have to pay...I

am a

> little confused however. You tried to sue Rimland for comments

made

> about you, or Devon? Unforunately, even though I do NOT agree,

Devon

> would have more of a case than you. When you are sueing because

of

> something said, you usually have to show " damages " . Devon can

claim

> that his sales went down, because of false information. If you

profit

> in no way from the sales, and didn't lose anything tangible, just

had

> your " credibility " effected, unfortunately the courts don't care

> about that. You also are not famous, so it's not like a lot of

people

> now disbelieve you....fame is the problem. Even though I love

what

> Devon has done for my child, he probably is not famous enough

either

> to yell " liable " or " slander " Did you write a book? Can you claim

> Book sales dropped off after comments made? The courts/ Judges

> usually look for MONEY lost. Pathetic that feelings don't count,

but

> they usually look for monetary loss, or physical damage. Maybe if

you

> start seeing a psychiatrist (EVEN though I am SURE you don't need

> one) You can claim the comments made affected your mental well

> being...I am friends with MANY lawyers, and have seen SO many

people

> screwes...Ex- Someone close to me- the hospital almost killed her

> during child birth, left a piece of placenta in her, and she

> hemmoraghed for nearly a week. When they readmitted her her

levels

> were 40 over 20- NEAR dead, they FINALLY removed the placenta

piece,

> and she began to heal. Went for legal counseling with a GREAT

Lawyer

> I know, and what he basically said is " The court looks for

missing

> limbs, physical problems that this caused (Like losing ability to

> bear children) or Money lost for time out of work...(she was not

> working at the time, on leave) " SO the court system sucks...There

> SHOULD be an ammendment for people's feelings...that's why our

legal

> system sucks. You can get Money if your child is killed for " pain

and

> suffering " yet all other pain and suffering doesn't count.....If

I

> missed the boat here let me know -Shari- Who knows you were

hurt,

> and I totally understand...You were just telling everyone how

much

> you love Devon's Products, and I WHOLE Heartedly agree...I

recently

> was flamed for doing the same...

> >

> >

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