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> I'm a bit miffed at my neighbour, as I heard baby screaming and her

> partners car was nowhere to be seen. She came to the door and told

me baby had just had the Guthie (sp?) test and the midwife was there

(no wonder she was screaming) and that she would call me.

> I have never felt so put off in my life. Now the excitement of

seeing her new baby has definitely gone off.

Perhaps she would rather wait until she is settled until she receives

visitors - and anyway, wouldn't it be kinder to want to see HER

rather that just ogle the baby! I didn't have any visitors at all

for a week as I was just *so* tired, my DH fended EVERYONE off,

including my best friend. She wasn't at all offended, she was

pleased that he was looking after me and was happy to visit when *WE*

were ready. Give the poor womanm a chance, :-) she's said she'll

phone you and I'm sure she will. Thats the time to be a good friend

and help her out so she can relax, she'll appreciate you doing the

washing up or vacuuming for her - and you'll still get a cuddle with

the baby, and a good friend as well.

and what with all you lot being pregnant I

> just can't take anymore.

Well, yes I know what you mean here, I find it a bit hard to swallow

too but the IS an NCT site! We should expect most families to be

expanding on here really.

Please don't be offended by me, I am just trying to explain what it

was like for me, and that you will get far better results by being

patient and then being indispensible to your neighbour when she is

ready!

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> I'm a bit miffed at my neighbour, as I heard baby screaming and her

> partners car was nowhere to be seen. She came to the door and told

me baby had just had the Guthie (sp?) test and the midwife was there

(no wonder she was screaming) and that she would call me.

> I have never felt so put off in my life. Now the excitement of

seeing her new baby has definitely gone off.

Perhaps she would rather wait until she is settled until she receives

visitors - and anyway, wouldn't it be kinder to want to see HER

rather that just ogle the baby! I didn't have any visitors at all

for a week as I was just *so* tired, my DH fended EVERYONE off,

including my best friend. She wasn't at all offended, she was

pleased that he was looking after me and was happy to visit when *WE*

were ready. Give the poor womanm a chance, :-) she's said she'll

phone you and I'm sure she will. Thats the time to be a good friend

and help her out so she can relax, she'll appreciate you doing the

washing up or vacuuming for her - and you'll still get a cuddle with

the baby, and a good friend as well.

and what with all you lot being pregnant I

> just can't take anymore.

Well, yes I know what you mean here, I find it a bit hard to swallow

too but the IS an NCT site! We should expect most families to be

expanding on here really.

Please don't be offended by me, I am just trying to explain what it

was like for me, and that you will get far better results by being

patient and then being indispensible to your neighbour when she is

ready!

Ruth

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> I'm a bit miffed at my neighbour, as I heard baby screaming and her

> partners car was nowhere to be seen. She came to the door and told

me baby had just had the Guthie (sp?) test and the midwife was there

(no wonder she was screaming) and that she would call me.

> I have never felt so put off in my life. Now the excitement of

seeing her new baby has definitely gone off.

Perhaps she would rather wait until she is settled until she receives

visitors - and anyway, wouldn't it be kinder to want to see HER

rather that just ogle the baby! I didn't have any visitors at all

for a week as I was just *so* tired, my DH fended EVERYONE off,

including my best friend. She wasn't at all offended, she was

pleased that he was looking after me and was happy to visit when *WE*

were ready. Give the poor womanm a chance, :-) she's said she'll

phone you and I'm sure she will. Thats the time to be a good friend

and help her out so she can relax, she'll appreciate you doing the

washing up or vacuuming for her - and you'll still get a cuddle with

the baby, and a good friend as well.

and what with all you lot being pregnant I

> just can't take anymore.

Well, yes I know what you mean here, I find it a bit hard to swallow

too but the IS an NCT site! We should expect most families to be

expanding on here really.

Please don't be offended by me, I am just trying to explain what it

was like for me, and that you will get far better results by being

patient and then being indispensible to your neighbour when she is

ready!

Ruth

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> generally when would you like people to come and visit your

> newborn first.

I personally would have like to have been left alone with Gethyn, and

our newborn for the first couple of weeks with no visitors - wasn't

practical tho, would have caused too many arguments with family etc.:(

> I'm a bit miffed at my neighbour, she had her baby a week last Monday (by

> sort of elective section) she came out of hospital on Friday last and when I

> phoned I was told no visitors until Tuesday last and they would ring me.

- don't take it personally, I'm sure she'd love to see you but it

should be when she's ready ...

> I didn't really know anyone else and would have loved visitors.

> Oh well we are all different I suppose

This is the crux of it, everyone is different, you've let her know that

you're there for her if she needs you and now you need to sit back and wait

......

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> I know NCT Mums may not be representative of the female population

as a

> whole but generally when would you like people to come and visit

your

> newborn first.

> I'm a bit miffed at my neighbour, she had her baby a week last

Monday (by

> sort of elective section) she came out of hospital on Friday last

and when I

> phoned I was told no visitors until Tuesday last and they would ring

me. I

> did call in on Monday as I was passing as I heard baby screaming and

her

> partners car was nowhere to be seen. She came to the door and told

me baby

> had just had the Guthie (sp?) test and the midwife was there (no

wonder she

> was screaming) and that she would call me.

> I have never felt so put off in my life. Now the excitement of

seeing her

> new baby has definitely gone off. I guess I feel sad that when I had

DS the

> only visitors I had in the hospital were my friend Sue and our

vicar. Our

> parents couldn't come till weeks later and I didn't really know

anyone else

> and would have loved visitors.

> Oh well we are all different I suppose; perhaps I am just a bit

broody.

Yup we are all different. I know that in the classes I teach, when I

talk about visitors, the consensus is to put them off for as long as

possible! Except the mandatory mum and MIL who are very difficult to

put off. I think on average most of my class members want to wait

about two weeks before letting neighbours and friends in to see the

new arrival, so please don't take it personally. She probably just

feels rotten, exhausted, and in the words of Greta Garbo " I vant to be

a lawn. "

Having visitors may *seem * a nice idea, but visitors are exhausting

and some (not you I'm sure, !) tend to overstay their welcome and

make the new mother feel drained and tired.

> Also, my husband came home to tell me his colleague was pregnant

(her first

> DS is 2 months younger than mine) and what with all you lot being

pregnant I

> just can't take anymore.

>

>

Well you can take comfort from the fact that I ain't pregnant nor ever

likely to be again, miracles aside! (Hysterctomy). But joking

apart, when you feel broody it just *seems* like everyone around you

is pregnant. I bet if we did a straw poll on here the majority of us

wouldn't be!

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>I know NCT Mums may not be representative of the female population as a

>whole but generally when would you like people to come and visit your

>newborn first.

>I'm a bit miffed at my neighbour, she had her baby a week last Monday (by

>sort of elective section) she came out of hospital on Friday last and when I

>phoned I was told no visitors until Tuesday last and they would ring me. I

>did call in on Monday as I was passing as I heard baby screaming and her

>partners car was nowhere to be seen. She came to the door and told me baby

>had just had the Guthie (sp?) test and the midwife was there (no wonder she

>was screaming) and that she would call me.

>I have never felt so put off in my life.

Did you really think that was a good time to be invited in?!

>Now the excitement of seeing her

>new baby has definitely gone off. I guess I feel sad that when I had DS the

>only visitors I had in the hospital were my friend Sue and our vicar. Our

>parents couldn't come till weeks later and I didn't really know anyone else

>and would have loved visitors.

Yes, I liked visitors too (at home, wouldn't have wanted anyone in

hospital, though I might have had I been in longer). We had *loads*

when DS1 was a few days old, but we had my parents here to answer the

phone, open the door, make tea, make conversation and I didn't get

out of bed, we all sat around in the bedroom (people sort of came in

and out, there was quite a bit of social stuff going on elsewhere in

the hosue without me). There were some people I wasn't so thrilled to

have - one or two people who I knew had hang ups about birth and

breastfeeding and though I wanted to see them and they wanted to be

here, they made me feel on edge (and I could tell they were too)) or

anyone who was going to tell me what to do (no one dared :-)) or make

stupid negative comments about the awfulness of new

babies/motherhood/birth.

It was also nice having plenty of visitors when DS2 was born.

Fortunately I didn't get any of the variety who were only interested

in the new baby - in fact most of them spent more time on DS1.

Later on, when I didn't have servants :-), I only wanted to see the

sort of people who didn't expect waiting on.

>Oh well we are all different I suppose; perhaps I am just a bit broody.

>Also, my husband came home to tell me his colleague was pregnant (her first

>DS is 2 months younger than mine) and what with all you lot being pregnant I

>just can't take anymore.

Interesting definition of all you lot :-) I'm not and won't be unless

there is a contraceptive failure (which will make me very happy!)

Might be worth phoning her to see how she is rather than waiting for

her - and if she's ready to see you she'll tell you without you

asking, or you could offer to do something for her - after all you

are in a good position to know how she might feel about having had a

CS or if she's struggling with breastfeeding. In fact, however she

feels, if she feels OK and all is going well, or otherwise, she might

not feel ready to see *you* in particular because of your experience,

which is very hard, but as you know there are lots of emotions

swilling round at this time :-(((((

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>I know NCT Mums may not be representative of the female population as a

>whole but generally when would you like people to come and visit your

>newborn first.

>I'm a bit miffed at my neighbour, she had her baby a week last Monday (by

>sort of elective section) she came out of hospital on Friday last and when I

>phoned I was told no visitors until Tuesday last and they would ring me. I

>did call in on Monday as I was passing as I heard baby screaming and her

>partners car was nowhere to be seen. She came to the door and told me baby

>had just had the Guthie (sp?) test and the midwife was there (no wonder she

>was screaming) and that she would call me.

>I have never felt so put off in my life.

Did you really think that was a good time to be invited in?!

>Now the excitement of seeing her

>new baby has definitely gone off. I guess I feel sad that when I had DS the

>only visitors I had in the hospital were my friend Sue and our vicar. Our

>parents couldn't come till weeks later and I didn't really know anyone else

>and would have loved visitors.

Yes, I liked visitors too (at home, wouldn't have wanted anyone in

hospital, though I might have had I been in longer). We had *loads*

when DS1 was a few days old, but we had my parents here to answer the

phone, open the door, make tea, make conversation and I didn't get

out of bed, we all sat around in the bedroom (people sort of came in

and out, there was quite a bit of social stuff going on elsewhere in

the hosue without me). There were some people I wasn't so thrilled to

have - one or two people who I knew had hang ups about birth and

breastfeeding and though I wanted to see them and they wanted to be

here, they made me feel on edge (and I could tell they were too)) or

anyone who was going to tell me what to do (no one dared :-)) or make

stupid negative comments about the awfulness of new

babies/motherhood/birth.

It was also nice having plenty of visitors when DS2 was born.

Fortunately I didn't get any of the variety who were only interested

in the new baby - in fact most of them spent more time on DS1.

Later on, when I didn't have servants :-), I only wanted to see the

sort of people who didn't expect waiting on.

>Oh well we are all different I suppose; perhaps I am just a bit broody.

>Also, my husband came home to tell me his colleague was pregnant (her first

>DS is 2 months younger than mine) and what with all you lot being pregnant I

>just can't take anymore.

Interesting definition of all you lot :-) I'm not and won't be unless

there is a contraceptive failure (which will make me very happy!)

Might be worth phoning her to see how she is rather than waiting for

her - and if she's ready to see you she'll tell you without you

asking, or you could offer to do something for her - after all you

are in a good position to know how she might feel about having had a

CS or if she's struggling with breastfeeding. In fact, however she

feels, if she feels OK and all is going well, or otherwise, she might

not feel ready to see *you* in particular because of your experience,

which is very hard, but as you know there are lots of emotions

swilling round at this time :-(((((

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>I know NCT Mums may not be representative of the female population as a

>whole but generally when would you like people to come and visit your

>newborn first.

>I'm a bit miffed at my neighbour, she had her baby a week last Monday (by

>sort of elective section) she came out of hospital on Friday last and when I

>phoned I was told no visitors until Tuesday last and they would ring me. I

>did call in on Monday as I was passing as I heard baby screaming and her

>partners car was nowhere to be seen. She came to the door and told me baby

>had just had the Guthie (sp?) test and the midwife was there (no wonder she

>was screaming) and that she would call me.

>I have never felt so put off in my life.

Did you really think that was a good time to be invited in?!

>Now the excitement of seeing her

>new baby has definitely gone off. I guess I feel sad that when I had DS the

>only visitors I had in the hospital were my friend Sue and our vicar. Our

>parents couldn't come till weeks later and I didn't really know anyone else

>and would have loved visitors.

Yes, I liked visitors too (at home, wouldn't have wanted anyone in

hospital, though I might have had I been in longer). We had *loads*

when DS1 was a few days old, but we had my parents here to answer the

phone, open the door, make tea, make conversation and I didn't get

out of bed, we all sat around in the bedroom (people sort of came in

and out, there was quite a bit of social stuff going on elsewhere in

the hosue without me). There were some people I wasn't so thrilled to

have - one or two people who I knew had hang ups about birth and

breastfeeding and though I wanted to see them and they wanted to be

here, they made me feel on edge (and I could tell they were too)) or

anyone who was going to tell me what to do (no one dared :-)) or make

stupid negative comments about the awfulness of new

babies/motherhood/birth.

It was also nice having plenty of visitors when DS2 was born.

Fortunately I didn't get any of the variety who were only interested

in the new baby - in fact most of them spent more time on DS1.

Later on, when I didn't have servants :-), I only wanted to see the

sort of people who didn't expect waiting on.

>Oh well we are all different I suppose; perhaps I am just a bit broody.

>Also, my husband came home to tell me his colleague was pregnant (her first

>DS is 2 months younger than mine) and what with all you lot being pregnant I

>just can't take anymore.

Interesting definition of all you lot :-) I'm not and won't be unless

there is a contraceptive failure (which will make me very happy!)

Might be worth phoning her to see how she is rather than waiting for

her - and if she's ready to see you she'll tell you without you

asking, or you could offer to do something for her - after all you

are in a good position to know how she might feel about having had a

CS or if she's struggling with breastfeeding. In fact, however she

feels, if she feels OK and all is going well, or otherwise, she might

not feel ready to see *you* in particular because of your experience,

which is very hard, but as you know there are lots of emotions

swilling round at this time :-(((((

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She probably just

> feels rotten, exhausted, and in the words of Greta Garbo " I vant to be

> a lawn. "

SEEN BABY at last!

Mum is fighting fit as it happens despite the section and she let slip that

she has had no end of visitors so far. I stayed 20 minutes at most, Molly

May was sleeping the whole time. I saw all the presents and clothes whilst

trying to fend off my DS from exploring my neighbours older son's (8y) room.

I feel better at last

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She probably just

> feels rotten, exhausted, and in the words of Greta Garbo " I vant to be

> a lawn. "

SEEN BABY at last!

Mum is fighting fit as it happens despite the section and she let slip that

she has had no end of visitors so far. I stayed 20 minutes at most, Molly

May was sleeping the whole time. I saw all the presents and clothes whilst

trying to fend off my DS from exploring my neighbours older son's (8y) room.

I feel better at last

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She probably just

> feels rotten, exhausted, and in the words of Greta Garbo " I vant to be

> a lawn. "

SEEN BABY at last!

Mum is fighting fit as it happens despite the section and she let slip that

she has had no end of visitors so far. I stayed 20 minutes at most, Molly

May was sleeping the whole time. I saw all the presents and clothes whilst

trying to fend off my DS from exploring my neighbours older son's (8y) room.

I feel better at last

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> - after all you

> are in a good position to know how she might feel about having had a

> CS or if she's struggling with breastfeeding.

She had a section last time and chose one this time over an induction.

She had no problems bf last time and doesn't seem to have any this time

either.

She had a lovely pregnancy and worked till the last minute

And today when I saw her at last she even talked about the gym she has

joined!

Some people seem to have all the luck

Still looking forward to a cuddle as baby was sleeping the whole 20 mins I

was there.

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> - after all you

> are in a good position to know how she might feel about having had a

> CS or if she's struggling with breastfeeding.

She had a section last time and chose one this time over an induction.

She had no problems bf last time and doesn't seem to have any this time

either.

She had a lovely pregnancy and worked till the last minute

And today when I saw her at last she even talked about the gym she has

joined!

Some people seem to have all the luck

Still looking forward to a cuddle as baby was sleeping the whole 20 mins I

was there.

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> - after all you

> are in a good position to know how she might feel about having had a

> CS or if she's struggling with breastfeeding.

She had a section last time and chose one this time over an induction.

She had no problems bf last time and doesn't seem to have any this time

either.

She had a lovely pregnancy and worked till the last minute

And today when I saw her at last she even talked about the gym she has

joined!

Some people seem to have all the luck

Still looking forward to a cuddle as baby was sleeping the whole 20 mins I

was there.

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>Yup we are all different. I know that in the classes I teach, when I

>talk about visitors, the consensus is to put them off for as long as

>possible!

Ah but that is *before* the event.

>Except the mandatory mum and MIL who are very difficult to

>put off.

My intention was to have my sister and brother there for the birth

(the brother was supposed to be there as a penance for not being at

our wedding reception) and not have my parents there till a week

later when we might be getting to grips with things/the novelty might

be wearing off. But DH wanted *my* parents there. Due to unforeseen

circumstances, they were there both times and I had grossly l

underestimated them, they were brilliant.

I also preferred to have my visitors whilst I had 'live in help' and

not when the disturbed nights were starting to take their toll.

(It has to be said that I did not find having a newborn a culture

shock, that could be why - some things *were* difficult but I just

felt very *right* in myself)

>I think on average most of my class members want to wait

>about two weeks before letting neighbours and friends in to see the

>new arrival, so please don't take it personally. She probably just

>feels rotten, exhausted, and in the words of Greta Garbo " I vant to be

>a lawn. "

I was musing on this 'shutting oneself away' thing - having come

across keen NCT class members who struggle with breastfeeding or

feelings about the birth/challenging baby but don't seem to get in

touch with anyone from NCT to help them. Are they always doing the

right thing? Are the rest of us doing the right thing leaving it to

them to get in touch?

, glad you've finally got to see the baby!

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>Yup we are all different. I know that in the classes I teach, when I

>talk about visitors, the consensus is to put them off for as long as

>possible!

Ah but that is *before* the event.

>Except the mandatory mum and MIL who are very difficult to

>put off.

My intention was to have my sister and brother there for the birth

(the brother was supposed to be there as a penance for not being at

our wedding reception) and not have my parents there till a week

later when we might be getting to grips with things/the novelty might

be wearing off. But DH wanted *my* parents there. Due to unforeseen

circumstances, they were there both times and I had grossly l

underestimated them, they were brilliant.

I also preferred to have my visitors whilst I had 'live in help' and

not when the disturbed nights were starting to take their toll.

(It has to be said that I did not find having a newborn a culture

shock, that could be why - some things *were* difficult but I just

felt very *right* in myself)

>I think on average most of my class members want to wait

>about two weeks before letting neighbours and friends in to see the

>new arrival, so please don't take it personally. She probably just

>feels rotten, exhausted, and in the words of Greta Garbo " I vant to be

>a lawn. "

I was musing on this 'shutting oneself away' thing - having come

across keen NCT class members who struggle with breastfeeding or

feelings about the birth/challenging baby but don't seem to get in

touch with anyone from NCT to help them. Are they always doing the

right thing? Are the rest of us doing the right thing leaving it to

them to get in touch?

, glad you've finally got to see the baby!

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> SEEN BABY at last!

> Mum is fighting fit. Molly May was sleeping the whole time. >

> I feel better at last

>

Oh, wonderful - I'm so relieved!

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Maybe your mate isnt coping so well with her new baby and feels insecure.

She may not want visitors to see her in a mess. I never felt like this, but

I know people who did. When I had DS1 I was out and about within a week,

despite problems sitting down (loads of stitches). I hd no worries about

parents and in laws seeing my house like a dump, but other people are very

worried about how they are percieved!

Dont go round again until she calls, and then offer to help her out maybe.

Just my opinion...which according to my DH is usually wrong!! :P

Mum to rohan (4 mths)

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Maybe your mate isnt coping so well with her new baby and feels insecure.

She may not want visitors to see her in a mess. I never felt like this, but

I know people who did. When I had DS1 I was out and about within a week,

despite problems sitting down (loads of stitches). I hd no worries about

parents and in laws seeing my house like a dump, but other people are very

worried about how they are percieved!

Dont go round again until she calls, and then offer to help her out maybe.

Just my opinion...which according to my DH is usually wrong!! :P

Mum to rohan (4 mths)

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I would only want to have a visit from friends once I was feeling

recovered from the birth and the b/feeding was under way, and then not

when b/feeding as wanted to get the positioning right....and only if

they were willing to muck in making tea etc if no one else was there

to do it. I do really feel that in the very early days it's a fragile

situation and the mother and babe's needs to have rest should be

paramount. I even think that if there are difficult relationships

with inflaws etc that they should be held off for at least the first

few days but that's a difficult one - I think the mothers and babies

needs must come first.

With DS I took him out to lunch in the Maids of Honour tearoom at Kew

when 10 days old, and afterwards went and fed him in Kew Gardens but

some Japanese ladies in the Maids of Honour were really shocked that

he was taken outside the house before 4 weeks, and that I was up and

out so early.

Likewise my SIL's private midwife asked her to stay upstairs for 10

days, and restricted visitors to 10 mins each and only if she was up

to it and not b/feeding - and I think number of visitors was

restricted. The visitors were directed to doing housework and washing

folding etc if they wanted to stay longer. It sounds very strict -

but it was in a spirit of peacefulness and serenity which you could

really feel in the house - and SIL said that she felt *so* much better

when she did emerge into the world than with her first when she tried

to muddle through right from the day after the birth. The stairs

restriction was I think to aid healing of the perineum and pelvic

floor.

I know it is very tempting to want to see a very young baby, but each

visitor is so very tiring even if it is very special. With my first,

people sent flowers and cards at the time - so I had her few early

precious days surrounded with festive flowers and peacefulness, it was

lovely - then felt really happy to receive more people after about a

week. (grandparents and uncles had visited very early, but briefly).

I feel to see a very young baby is a great privilege, but it is a

special and private time. Also a Caesarian is a major operation on

top of the exhaustion of nights. Perhaps it's because I'm virtually

geriatric that I feel this, maybe twenty-somethings bounce back faster

after birth and sleepless nights!!! But it was something that was

covered in our ante-natal classes - that visitors needed to be kept in

their (honoured) places!! ;-)

Do other people feel very different?

Caro

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> >whole but generally when would you like people to come and visit

your

> >newborn first.

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> She may not want visitors to see her in a mess.

The only mess is the wall out the back which is being rendered today, and

jolly nice it looks too. Otherwise baby was sleeping in her moses basket in

a corner of the impecably tidy lounge. Nursery was jolly tidy too with all

the presents displayed. I even got a thankyou note for the present I had

given her (via her mum) last week.

> Dont go round again until she calls, and then offer to help her out maybe.

I didn't and she never seems to want any help I offer.

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I think it all depends on who the visitors are! Good friends would be

welcome from the minute I got home, family (with some exceptions) likewise.

I don't think I' want to open my house up to every Tom, Dick and Harry who

just wanted a gawp at the baby though.

> > >I know NCT Mums may not be representative of the female population

> as a

> > >whole but generally when would you like people to come and visit

> your

> > >newborn first.

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I think it all depends on who the visitors are! Good friends would be

welcome from the minute I got home, family (with some exceptions) likewise.

I don't think I' want to open my house up to every Tom, Dick and Harry who

just wanted a gawp at the baby though.

> > >I know NCT Mums may not be representative of the female population

> as a

> > >whole but generally when would you like people to come and visit

> your

> > >newborn first.

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I didn't and she never seems to want any help I offer.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

Don't you think though that some new Mums especially ones who have

had " high powered " jobs, don't want to admit they need any help?

Give her a few weeks and she will most likely want some adult

company, and she will hopefully remember that you offered.

Trisha

SAHM to 3 boys

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I didn't and she never seems to want any help I offer.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>

Don't you think though that some new Mums especially ones who have

had " high powered " jobs, don't want to admit they need any help?

Give her a few weeks and she will most likely want some adult

company, and she will hopefully remember that you offered.

Trisha

SAHM to 3 boys

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