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I cut the heels out of my sons shoes and haven't looked back. He was fine

after that.

Rach

-- sores w/ DBB

Can anyone give me some input on dealing with sores with the DBB? My

son Sammy just started with the brace on Thursday and by Friday

afternoon had some serious dark purple bruises on his heels. I have

done everything I can think of aside from cutting out the backs of

the shoes -- I feel confident the heels are down in the shoes but the

sores seem to be getting worse, I don't see him slipping in them

either. We are using blister block bandaids which Dr. Dobbs

recommended -- they are a lightly cushioned pad which seals out

moisture and is supposed to protect the skin from further

irritation. However, the sores are not improving, at first they were

just dark bruises, now there are places where the skin is broken (no

bleeding). The most amazing part is how well Sammy is doing through

all of this. He cries when I put the brace on and off but he seems

to be doing very well, doesn't really complain as if he is in pain.

His biggest obstacle seems to be gas pains which has had since he was

born but now he can't move his legs like he wants to make it feel

better. Anyway, we are going to see the orthotic guy today but I was

just wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what may be going on

with the DBB/shoes and what I can do. Also, how long does it take

for these types of sores to heal? Is there a point at which the Dr.

says yes, you need a healing cast, or how do they decide when the

sores are severe enough to warrant another cast? If the baby is not

complaining doesn't this indicate that the shoes are on right and

then shouldn't that mean they will get better?

thanks for any input!

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Can you call or email Dr. Dobbs and get into see him soon? He might

just want to put a cast on so that those sores heal up and figure out

what is causing the problem with the shoes.

Are there plastizode inserts in the heels that are pushing on his

feet? Are his heels slipping in the shoe where the rubbing is

causing the sores?

Let us know how it's going.....you don't want the skin to start

breaking down so you have a longer time to heal....

You may just have a very tolerant little guy- my guess is that

there's something wrong with the shoes or that his foot is slipping

in them.

& (3-16-00)

left clubfoot

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Hi ,

When sores like this form, something it wrong. You wouldn't be the first

to think the heels are down when they just aren't. It's hard to tell. The

thing is, once the sore is there it will never heal in the boot, even if

you get the heel down. My suggestion is to just cut out that hole. It

will serve two purposes, both are very important. First it'll remove any

pressure on that sore so he can continue to wear the brace and allow the

sore to heal (it takes a few weeks, depending on severity to heal

them. But if you heal them and then again put the shoes back on with the

same issue that caused the sore it'll just come right back - which is why

the hole is a good idea regardless of whether you go to a healing cast or

not), The second purpose is to give you a chance to SEE if you're really

getting those heels down enough. So far, not one parent who has cut the

hole has come back to the list or me and said *I cut the hole and his feet

are indeed down in the shoe*. In fact, it's always the opposite where the

parent is surprised to see it rising up even though they believed they had

it all the way down.

Dr. Dobbs is a good doc so it's less likely that the feet aren't corrected

than it is for there to be just a better way for you to get that heel down

in the shoe. Cut the hole, it won't harm the integrity of the shoe and it

is the only way to heal the sore without going to a healing cast for a

couple of weeks. Go to the healing cast, you start your 23/7 all over

again and you might put the shoe on wrong again and make the sore come back

(this was me - I did this), cut the hole and you still get to count the

time he's put into 23/7 plus you then KNOW what's going on in those shoes.

Your baby may just have a high tolerance for pain, but as the sore gets

worse or scabs over it's going to hurt him.

Have you tried to put the shoes on by following the instructions in the

DBB/ Tips & Tricks post? This really helps get the feet into the shoes

well. Make sure to bend the knee and dorsiflex the foot when you push the

heel into the back of the shoe. And if possible, take the shoes off the

bar to put them on. I so wish all these bars were easy to do that with.

Let us know how it goes - big hugs! We understand how frustrating this is!

Kori

At 05:46 AM 12/13/2004, you wrote:

>Can anyone give me some input on dealing with sores with the DBB? My

>son Sammy just started with the brace on Thursday and by Friday

>afternoon had some serious dark purple bruises on his heels. I have

>done everything I can think of aside from cutting out the backs of

>the shoes -- I feel confident the heels are down in the shoes but the

>sores seem to be getting worse, I don't see him slipping in them

>either. We are using blister block bandaids which Dr. Dobbs

>recommended -- they are a lightly cushioned pad which seals out

>moisture and is supposed to protect the skin from further

>irritation. However, the sores are not improving, at first they were

>just dark bruises, now there are places where the skin is broken (no

>bleeding). The most amazing part is how well Sammy is doing through

>all of this. He cries when I put the brace on and off but he seems

>to be doing very well, doesn't really complain as if he is in pain.

>His biggest obstacle seems to be gas pains which has had since he was

>born but now he can't move his legs like he wants to make it feel

>better. Anyway, we are going to see the orthotic guy today but I was

>just wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what may be going on

>with the DBB/shoes and what I can do. Also, how long does it take

>for these types of sores to heal? Is there a point at which the Dr.

>says yes, you need a healing cast, or how do they decide when the

>sores are severe enough to warrant another cast? If the baby is not

>complaining doesn't this indicate that the shoes are on right and

>then shouldn't that mean they will get better?

>

>thanks for any input!

>

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Kori,

Thanks for your response, and to the others who answered me. We went

to see the orthotics guy today, he had already spoken to Dr. Dobbs

and they've decided to put a healing cast on tomorrow. The sores

were much worse today when I changed the bandaids. They told me it

would be okay to leave the shoes off overnight tonight as long as we

keep exercising his foot for the rest of the day and tomorrow a.m.

before we see Dr. Dobbs again. I hate to take him out of the brace

for fear of losing correction but I know Dr. Dobbs knows what he is

doing, the sores are really bad, I think it must hurt him

tremendously even if we are getting the heel down now. Do you think

this is the wrong thing to do? (leaving the shoes off for nearly 1

full day???)

Next question -- has anyone ever heard of using a shoe similar to a

AFO, that is mounted on the DBB? This is what Dr. Dobbs is piloting

with the othotic company. They take a plaster mold of the baby's

foot and make a rubber " bootie " that slips over his foot and is then

strapped into a hard plastic shell, looks like some AFO's I've seen

pictures of which is then mounted on the DBB just like the shoes.

They have done a few of them already and ***no*** problems with sores

or blisters at all. Just wondering what you all think...

Thanks again!

>

>

> >Can anyone give me some input on dealing with sores with the DBB?

My

> >son Sammy just started with the brace on Thursday and by Friday

> >afternoon had some serious dark purple bruises on his heels. I

have

> >done everything I can think of aside from cutting out the backs of

> >the shoes -- I feel confident the heels are down in the shoes but

the

> >sores seem to be getting worse, I don't see him slipping in them

> >either. We are using blister block bandaids which Dr. Dobbs

> >recommended -- they are a lightly cushioned pad which seals out

> >moisture and is supposed to protect the skin from further

> >irritation. However, the sores are not improving, at first they

were

> >just dark bruises, now there are places where the skin is broken

(no

> >bleeding). The most amazing part is how well Sammy is doing

through

> >all of this. He cries when I put the brace on and off but he seems

> >to be doing very well, doesn't really complain as if he is in pain.

> >His biggest obstacle seems to be gas pains which has had since he

was

> >born but now he can't move his legs like he wants to make it feel

> >better. Anyway, we are going to see the orthotic guy today but I

was

> >just wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what may be going

on

> >with the DBB/shoes and what I can do. Also, how long does it take

> >for these types of sores to heal? Is there a point at which the

Dr.

> >says yes, you need a healing cast, or how do they decide when the

> >sores are severe enough to warrant another cast? If the baby is

not

> >complaining doesn't this indicate that the shoes are on right and

> >then shouldn't that mean they will get better?

> >

> >thanks for any input!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I wouldn't worry about leaving him out of the brace. Since he's

going into a cast, any amount of correction that's lost will be

regained with the cast.

It's definitely better to keep him out of the brace since it's

causing sores.

I have heard of the AFO mounted to the bar. There was a family here

from the Chicago area who had one. I think the baby's name was

Brooklyn.

There's nothing wrong with this concept- using an AFO instead of a

shoe if it's mounted on the bar to obtain the outward and upward

rotation....however, here are my concerns based on our own experience

of using AFO's prior to switching over to Dr. P's method.

1) Even with air-holes drilled into the shell, the plastic AFO brace

gets *very sweaty* for the baby. If your child's feet get sweaty in

the leather open-toed shoes, it will be *drenched* in the plastic

brace.

2) It can be very difficult to tell if the heel is down in the

plastic brace (depending on the design, I guess, but I couldn't

figure out how to tell where 's heel was in the two different

styles that we had).

3) Since the brace is custom-molded for the foot, I would imagine

that the baby will out-grow the AFO fairly quickly. This wouldn't be

a problem for families who don't have to travel far for care, but

might be an issue for those who do need to travel to the

orthotist/orthopaedic surgeon. The brace takes time to make since

they're custom-molded and this would have to be taken into account

also when ready to move up to a larger size.

4) Expense of the custom molded AFO's may be an issue if insurance

isn't covering them 100%.

5) I didn't like that the AFO went part way up 's calf (I don't

know what Dobbs' prototypes look like) and she couldn't use her calf

muscles or ankles when it was on.

That's our experience......

Keep us posted on what Dr. Dobbs says was the culprit of the sores!

& (3-16-00)

left clubfoot

> >

> >

> > >Can anyone give me some input on dealing with sores with the

DBB?

> My

> > >son Sammy just started with the brace on Thursday and by Friday

> > >afternoon had some serious dark purple bruises on his heels. I

> have

> > >done everything I can think of aside from cutting out the backs

of

> > >the shoes -- I feel confident the heels are down in the shoes

but

> the

> > >sores seem to be getting worse, I don't see him slipping in them

> > >either. We are using blister block bandaids which Dr. Dobbs

> > >recommended -- they are a lightly cushioned pad which seals out

> > >moisture and is supposed to protect the skin from further

> > >irritation. However, the sores are not improving, at first they

> were

> > >just dark bruises, now there are places where the skin is broken

> (no

> > >bleeding). The most amazing part is how well Sammy is doing

> through

> > >all of this. He cries when I put the brace on and off but he

seems

> > >to be doing very well, doesn't really complain as if he is in

pain.

> > >His biggest obstacle seems to be gas pains which has had since

he

> was

> > >born but now he can't move his legs like he wants to make it feel

> > >better. Anyway, we are going to see the orthotic guy today but

I

> was

> > >just wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what may be

going

> on

> > >with the DBB/shoes and what I can do. Also, how long does it

take

> > >for these types of sores to heal? Is there a point at which the

> Dr.

> > >says yes, you need a healing cast, or how do they decide when the

> > >sores are severe enough to warrant another cast? If the baby is

> not

> > >complaining doesn't this indicate that the shoes are on right and

> > >then shouldn't that mean they will get better?

> > >

> > >thanks for any input!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Does Dr. Dobbs know that there are places in the skin that are broken

now? If he doesn't I would contact him and let him know. Where are

you from? We are from KY and are going to see Dr. Dobbs on

Wednesday. If you are already using the blister band-aids I would

say the most important thing you can do know is contact the Dr. if he

is not aware that the skin is broken. Good Luck.

Pam and (8-12-01)

>

> Can anyone give me some input on dealing with sores with the DBB?

My

> son Sammy just started with the brace on Thursday and by Friday

> afternoon had some serious dark purple bruises on his heels. I

have

> done everything I can think of aside from cutting out the backs of

> the shoes -- I feel confident the heels are down in the shoes but

the

> sores seem to be getting worse, I don't see him slipping in them

> either. We are using blister block bandaids which Dr. Dobbs

> recommended -- they are a lightly cushioned pad which seals out

> moisture and is supposed to protect the skin from further

> irritation. However, the sores are not improving, at first they

were

> just dark bruises, now there are places where the skin is broken

(no

> bleeding). The most amazing part is how well Sammy is doing

through

> all of this. He cries when I put the brace on and off but he seems

> to be doing very well, doesn't really complain as if he is in

pain.

> His biggest obstacle seems to be gas pains which has had since he

was

> born but now he can't move his legs like he wants to make it feel

> better. Anyway, we are going to see the orthotic guy today but I

was

> just wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what may be going

on

> with the DBB/shoes and what I can do. Also, how long does it take

> for these types of sores to heal? Is there a point at which the

Dr.

> says yes, you need a healing cast, or how do they decide when the

> sores are severe enough to warrant another cast? If the baby is

not

> complaining doesn't this indicate that the shoes are on right and

> then shouldn't that mean they will get better?

>

> thanks for any input!

>

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I don't think you are going wrong by keeping the shoes off (or I

guess I should say that you kept the shoes off I just realized this

is a yesterday post!). I have so much confidence in Dr. Dobbs. He

is SO frustrated by the babies who are experiencing the sores, I'm

sure this is why he is trying out a custom device. We have spoken

with him about the sore issue many times at office visits (our son

was not experiencing them he was just discussing the issue). And you

can just see the frustration in his face that the babies/parents have

to go through this. I'll have to say I don't know what I would do if

I were at the beginning of my treatment. I am so glad that so many

of those roller coaster issues are over! Good luck with the healing

casts.

Pam and (8-12-01)

> >

> >

> > >Can anyone give me some input on dealing with sores with the

DBB?

> My

> > >son Sammy just started with the brace on Thursday and by Friday

> > >afternoon had some serious dark purple bruises on his heels. I

> have

> > >done everything I can think of aside from cutting out the backs

of

> > >the shoes -- I feel confident the heels are down in the shoes

but

> the

> > >sores seem to be getting worse, I don't see him slipping in them

> > >either. We are using blister block bandaids which Dr. Dobbs

> > >recommended -- they are a lightly cushioned pad which seals out

> > >moisture and is supposed to protect the skin from further

> > >irritation. However, the sores are not improving, at first they

> were

> > >just dark bruises, now there are places where the skin is broken

> (no

> > >bleeding). The most amazing part is how well Sammy is doing

> through

> > >all of this. He cries when I put the brace on and off but he

seems

> > >to be doing very well, doesn't really complain as if he is in

pain.

> > >His biggest obstacle seems to be gas pains which has had since

he

> was

> > >born but now he can't move his legs like he wants to make it feel

> > >better. Anyway, we are going to see the orthotic guy today but

I

> was

> > >just wondering if anyone had any suggestions on what may be

going

> on

> > >with the DBB/shoes and what I can do. Also, how long does it

take

> > >for these types of sores to heal? Is there a point at which the

> Dr.

> > >says yes, you need a healing cast, or how do they decide when the

> > >sores are severe enough to warrant another cast? If the baby is

> not

> > >complaining doesn't this indicate that the shoes are on right and

> > >then shouldn't that mean they will get better?

> > >

> > >thanks for any input!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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