Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 I don't know why it is exactly a mito toxin. But, I do know Tylenol is very hard on your liver. With my daughter we were told even before the mito diagnosis that I should NEVER give her Tylenol. Her liver is damaged, now we know due to mito, and any thing extra going through it can be dangerous. I hope this is at least a little help for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 I don't know why it is exactly a mito toxin. But, I do know Tylenol is very hard on your liver. With my daughter we were told even before the mito diagnosis that I should NEVER give her Tylenol. Her liver is damaged, now we know due to mito, and any thing extra going through it can be dangerous. I hope this is at least a little help for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 I don't know why it is exactly a mito toxin. But, I do know Tylenol is very hard on your liver. With my daughter we were told even before the mito diagnosis that I should NEVER give her Tylenol. Her liver is damaged, now we know due to mito, and any thing extra going through it can be dangerous. I hope this is at least a little help for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Does anyone know why they say tylenol is a problem for people with mito? Shirley, mom to and Jordan P.S. sorry if this has already been discussed--I just pulled this post up to read and am not following messages at this time. > Thanks for all the info and links Jean!! > > > Deafness following a course of aminoglycoside class > antibiotics > > A few years ago this subject went around this list and I contributed a > summary of an article I have in my possession, given to me by my friend > who is an audiologist. I went hunting for this post and had to do some > digging to find it as it was 1999 that I wrote it and fortunately I > kept it! > > While it makes sense for *all " Mito folk to avoid taking the > aminoglycosides class of antibiotics, just as it makes sense for all > Mito folk to use the special protocol for anaesthesia and to avoid the > use of Valproic Acid (Depakote) etc ..... it makes sense because *SOME* > of the Mito folks have dire reactions. I mean .... why take the chance? > > How I wish that one of our well known Mito doctors would add to our > articles we can download and take to our doctors by writing an article > about the issue of contraindicated drugs for Mito folk. I expect they > are unwilling to take this risk of omitting something, especially since > problems with these drugs seem to be on a hit or miss basis!!!! > > That having been said ... this article was written by two doctors doing > research on the subject. As you will read ... the listing of > aminoglycosides as being " ototoxic " is a responsible way of looking at > them: however, I read from this article that the ototoxicity is quite > specific. > > Jean > > ********* > > Deafness following a course of antibiotics. > > The article is called " Mitochondria and Risk of Deafness " by Tim P. > Hutchin and Gino A. Cortopassi of University of California. It was > published in the American Journal of Audiology, Vol4, - > 1059-0889/95/0401-0012 in March of 1995. > > It is written in quite technical language, but the essence of the > article is as follows: > > Certain antibiotics (aminoglycosides) perform their antibiotic function > by inducing errors in bacterial protein synthesis, eventually causing > cell death. Drugs mentioned are amikasin, neomycin, and streptomycin. > > The bacterial cell is entirely cytoplasm; its DNA is not packaged into > a discrete nucleus as in mammalian cells. Mitochondia are believed to > more closely resemble bacterial cell than mammalian, making them a > possible target for aminoglcosides. > > A rare genetic trait which cofers hypersensitivity to aminoglycoside > antibiotics, and is inherited maternally, exists in the human > population. These humans, when exposed to therapeutic levels of > aminoglycosides, develop significant hearing loss. A mitochondrial > mutation occurs in 100% of family pedigrees *with a trait for > hypersensitivity to aminoglycosides*. The mutation is referred to as > 1555o degree. Genetic screening could find this mutation prior to > administration of the antibiotic, thereby preventing the risk to these > sensitive individuals. Their findings show that if the mutation has > occurred in a family, it remains linked to that type. This group of > mtDNA is rare in Caucasian populations, but more frequent in Asian. A > warning sign for doctors of this problem would be the occurrence of > deafness after antibiotic (aminoglycosides) use to multiple individuals > in a family. This can be tested for 1555(o) with a hair or blood > sample and the avoidance of these drugs for positive families through > the maternal inheritance pattern could be effected. > > The researchers listed above are willing to test, at no charge, as many > hair or blood samples because they are interested in the distribution > of the trait. I took him up on his offer several months ago – Dr. Gino > Cortopassi responded to my Email promptly and gave me the results quite > promptly too. I found his Email address through the University of > Southern California's web master, but unfortunately, that address left > when I got my new computer. > > Gino A. Cortopassi > Institute for Toxicology > Dept. of Molecular Pharmacology & Toxicology > School of Pharmacy > University of Southern California > > > The address given is Los Angeles, but I believe it is the Campus > that I found him. > > > > > sol8air@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/17/04 7:37:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, > mitoscottie@... writes: > > It is my understanding that the aminoglycoside antibiotics *only* > affect *hearing* in the *very specific MtDNA deletion A1555G > > > Gentamycin is ototoxic to everyone not just people with MITO. I don't > know about specific deletions, I was told by Dr. Saneto that MITO kids > in general should never recieve: Gentamycin, Tylenol, Ringer's Lactate, > Gas Anesthesia (I have the name written down somewhere of the specific > anesthesia drug to avoid) because these and some other drugs put added > stress on the mitochondria and/or damage mitochondria and increase > symptoms. I always gave my kid Tylenol until last year when he told me > " by the way don't give her tylenol " . Then he gave me the list. It was a > surprise to me. > > kj > mom of De-Arbra age 16 > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Does anyone know why they say tylenol is a problem for people with mito? Shirley, mom to and Jordan P.S. sorry if this has already been discussed--I just pulled this post up to read and am not following messages at this time. > Thanks for all the info and links Jean!! > > > Deafness following a course of aminoglycoside class > antibiotics > > A few years ago this subject went around this list and I contributed a > summary of an article I have in my possession, given to me by my friend > who is an audiologist. I went hunting for this post and had to do some > digging to find it as it was 1999 that I wrote it and fortunately I > kept it! > > While it makes sense for *all " Mito folk to avoid taking the > aminoglycosides class of antibiotics, just as it makes sense for all > Mito folk to use the special protocol for anaesthesia and to avoid the > use of Valproic Acid (Depakote) etc ..... it makes sense because *SOME* > of the Mito folks have dire reactions. I mean .... why take the chance? > > How I wish that one of our well known Mito doctors would add to our > articles we can download and take to our doctors by writing an article > about the issue of contraindicated drugs for Mito folk. I expect they > are unwilling to take this risk of omitting something, especially since > problems with these drugs seem to be on a hit or miss basis!!!! > > That having been said ... this article was written by two doctors doing > research on the subject. As you will read ... the listing of > aminoglycosides as being " ototoxic " is a responsible way of looking at > them: however, I read from this article that the ototoxicity is quite > specific. > > Jean > > ********* > > Deafness following a course of antibiotics. > > The article is called " Mitochondria and Risk of Deafness " by Tim P. > Hutchin and Gino A. Cortopassi of University of California. It was > published in the American Journal of Audiology, Vol4, - > 1059-0889/95/0401-0012 in March of 1995. > > It is written in quite technical language, but the essence of the > article is as follows: > > Certain antibiotics (aminoglycosides) perform their antibiotic function > by inducing errors in bacterial protein synthesis, eventually causing > cell death. Drugs mentioned are amikasin, neomycin, and streptomycin. > > The bacterial cell is entirely cytoplasm; its DNA is not packaged into > a discrete nucleus as in mammalian cells. Mitochondia are believed to > more closely resemble bacterial cell than mammalian, making them a > possible target for aminoglcosides. > > A rare genetic trait which cofers hypersensitivity to aminoglycoside > antibiotics, and is inherited maternally, exists in the human > population. These humans, when exposed to therapeutic levels of > aminoglycosides, develop significant hearing loss. A mitochondrial > mutation occurs in 100% of family pedigrees *with a trait for > hypersensitivity to aminoglycosides*. The mutation is referred to as > 1555o degree. Genetic screening could find this mutation prior to > administration of the antibiotic, thereby preventing the risk to these > sensitive individuals. Their findings show that if the mutation has > occurred in a family, it remains linked to that type. This group of > mtDNA is rare in Caucasian populations, but more frequent in Asian. A > warning sign for doctors of this problem would be the occurrence of > deafness after antibiotic (aminoglycosides) use to multiple individuals > in a family. This can be tested for 1555(o) with a hair or blood > sample and the avoidance of these drugs for positive families through > the maternal inheritance pattern could be effected. > > The researchers listed above are willing to test, at no charge, as many > hair or blood samples because they are interested in the distribution > of the trait. I took him up on his offer several months ago – Dr. Gino > Cortopassi responded to my Email promptly and gave me the results quite > promptly too. I found his Email address through the University of > Southern California's web master, but unfortunately, that address left > when I got my new computer. > > Gino A. Cortopassi > Institute for Toxicology > Dept. of Molecular Pharmacology & Toxicology > School of Pharmacy > University of Southern California > > > The address given is Los Angeles, but I believe it is the Campus > that I found him. > > > > > sol8air@... wrote: > > In a message dated 3/17/04 7:37:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, > mitoscottie@... writes: > > It is my understanding that the aminoglycoside antibiotics *only* > affect *hearing* in the *very specific MtDNA deletion A1555G > > > Gentamycin is ototoxic to everyone not just people with MITO. I don't > know about specific deletions, I was told by Dr. Saneto that MITO kids > in general should never recieve: Gentamycin, Tylenol, Ringer's Lactate, > Gas Anesthesia (I have the name written down somewhere of the specific > anesthesia drug to avoid) because these and some other drugs put added > stress on the mitochondria and/or damage mitochondria and increase > symptoms. I always gave my kid Tylenol until last year when he told me > " by the way don't give her tylenol " . Then he gave me the list. It was a > surprise to me. > > kj > mom of De-Arbra age 16 > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Shirley, I think it is due to the fact that tylenol depletes glutathione and glutathione is the main antioxidant that services the mitochondria. Liver stores of glutathione can be low in people with mito. Shirley C wrote: > Does anyone know why they say tylenol is a problem for people with mito? > > Shirley, mom to and Jordan > > P.S. sorry if this has already been discussed--I just pulled this post > up to read and am not following messages at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Shirley, I think it is due to the fact that tylenol depletes glutathione and glutathione is the main antioxidant that services the mitochondria. Liver stores of glutathione can be low in people with mito. Shirley C wrote: > Does anyone know why they say tylenol is a problem for people with mito? > > Shirley, mom to and Jordan > > P.S. sorry if this has already been discussed--I just pulled this post > up to read and am not following messages at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Shirley, I think it is due to the fact that tylenol depletes glutathione and glutathione is the main antioxidant that services the mitochondria. Liver stores of glutathione can be low in people with mito. Shirley C wrote: > Does anyone know why they say tylenol is a problem for people with mito? > > Shirley, mom to and Jordan > > P.S. sorry if this has already been discussed--I just pulled this post > up to read and am not following messages at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2004 Report Share Posted March 20, 2004 Thanks . All sounds interesting--wish I had more time to research all of this--appreciate your insights. Shirley > Shirley, > > I think it is due to the fact that tylenol depletes glutathione and > glutathione is the main antioxidant that services the mitochondria. > Liver stores of glutathione can be low in people with mito. > > > > Shirley C wrote: > >> Does anyone know why they say tylenol is a problem for people with >> mito? >> >> Shirley, mom to and Jordan >> >> P.S. sorry if this has already been discussed--I just pulled this post >> up to read and am not following messages at this time. > > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or > questions. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 I think it is due to the fact that tylenol depletes glutathione and glutathione is the main antioxidant that services the mitochondria. Liver stores of glutathione can be low in people with mito. Thanks, That's why I like it here -- that's a far more thorough explanation than Dr. S gave us, he just said "it makes the mitochondria work harder" or something. Not that I'd have understood all the chemistry explanation, but I like to have it handy. Some days the puzzle pieces actually fit kj mom to De-Arbra age 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2004 Report Share Posted March 24, 2004 I think it is due to the fact that tylenol depletes glutathione and glutathione is the main antioxidant that services the mitochondria. Liver stores of glutathione can be low in people with mito. Thanks, That's why I like it here -- that's a far more thorough explanation than Dr. S gave us, he just said "it makes the mitochondria work harder" or something. Not that I'd have understood all the chemistry explanation, but I like to have it handy. Some days the puzzle pieces actually fit kj mom to De-Arbra age 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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