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Oh, Andy. That is such a shame. And it damaged your ability to play

the trumpet, too, didn't it?

Do your docs offer hope that things will get better? I hope so...

Time can be a wonderful healer. Meantime, is there any sort of

therapy that might be helpful? You have all my very best wishes and

hopes... and sympathies.

best,

Cammie

> > so what type of surgery did you have? are you happy with your

> > results?

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Oh, Andy. That is such a shame. And it damaged your ability to play

the trumpet, too, didn't it?

Do your docs offer hope that things will get better? I hope so...

Time can be a wonderful healer. Meantime, is there any sort of

therapy that might be helpful? You have all my very best wishes and

hopes... and sympathies.

best,

Cammie

> > so what type of surgery did you have? are you happy with your

> > results?

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Thanks Cammie,

My ortho/surgeon have written me off. They don't seem to think

anything is wrong because " your bite looks great. " Yeah, well it

looks wonderful but the joints are a completely mess and I can't feel

anything. They don't say much about it getting better, so I guess

we'll see. Yeah, it's pretty much ruined my trumpet playing too.

Every time I think about that it just.. depresses me I guess. That

used to be my one thing I was good at, now what do I have?

I appreciate the concern. Hope you're doing well.

Andy

> > > so what type of surgery did you have? are you happy with your

> > > results?

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Thanks Cammie,

My ortho/surgeon have written me off. They don't seem to think

anything is wrong because " your bite looks great. " Yeah, well it

looks wonderful but the joints are a completely mess and I can't feel

anything. They don't say much about it getting better, so I guess

we'll see. Yeah, it's pretty much ruined my trumpet playing too.

Every time I think about that it just.. depresses me I guess. That

used to be my one thing I was good at, now what do I have?

I appreciate the concern. Hope you're doing well.

Andy

> > > so what type of surgery did you have? are you happy with your

> > > results?

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Awww, Andy. You're really good at being a nice fellow! And in my

book, that's much more important even than being a fine musician.

(and I adore music. Mozart is the one thing that can get me out of

any funk I ever experienced.)

Have you decided you've just had it with docs in general? I wouldn't

blame you, but the reason I ask is, I'm wondering whether someone who

specializes in tmj troubles could help you, at least with the pain. I

know that (minirascal) knows some of the leading joint people

in the country, and others may have other suggestions.

I think that's really lousy that your ortho and surgeon have " written

you off. " I don't know that anybody knows how to get rid of numbness,

but geez. Joint troubles can at least be treated, and I'd think it

would be important to THEM to try to get you some help, since they're

the ones who did the work.

I can tell you that Cyn (do you remember our wonderful orthognathic

goddess?) had some residual numbness after a couple of years and she

still had not given up on regaining sensation. I think she was

pursuing acupuncture when last I heard from her. I don't know how

successful it was. (And if you try that, be sure the use fresh

needles! I just heard a story from Toronto about a clinician who was

reusing the needles after " disinfecting " them and was actually

infecting his patients with some sort of microbacteria!)

Wishing you well... Do keep us posted when you have a chance!

Cammie

(And yes, thank you. I hate to say it when you're clearly not, but

I'm doing very well indeed.)

> Thanks Cammie,

>

> My ortho/surgeon have written me off. They don't seem to think

> anything is wrong because " your bite looks great. " Yeah, well it

> looks wonderful but the joints are a completely mess and I can't

feel

> anything. They don't say much about it getting better, so I guess

> we'll see. Yeah, it's pretty much ruined my trumpet playing too.

> Every time I think about that it just.. depresses me I guess. That

> used to be my one thing I was good at, now what do I have?

>

> I appreciate the concern. Hope you're doing well.

> Andy

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Awww, Andy. You're really good at being a nice fellow! And in my

book, that's much more important even than being a fine musician.

(and I adore music. Mozart is the one thing that can get me out of

any funk I ever experienced.)

Have you decided you've just had it with docs in general? I wouldn't

blame you, but the reason I ask is, I'm wondering whether someone who

specializes in tmj troubles could help you, at least with the pain. I

know that (minirascal) knows some of the leading joint people

in the country, and others may have other suggestions.

I think that's really lousy that your ortho and surgeon have " written

you off. " I don't know that anybody knows how to get rid of numbness,

but geez. Joint troubles can at least be treated, and I'd think it

would be important to THEM to try to get you some help, since they're

the ones who did the work.

I can tell you that Cyn (do you remember our wonderful orthognathic

goddess?) had some residual numbness after a couple of years and she

still had not given up on regaining sensation. I think she was

pursuing acupuncture when last I heard from her. I don't know how

successful it was. (And if you try that, be sure the use fresh

needles! I just heard a story from Toronto about a clinician who was

reusing the needles after " disinfecting " them and was actually

infecting his patients with some sort of microbacteria!)

Wishing you well... Do keep us posted when you have a chance!

Cammie

(And yes, thank you. I hate to say it when you're clearly not, but

I'm doing very well indeed.)

> Thanks Cammie,

>

> My ortho/surgeon have written me off. They don't seem to think

> anything is wrong because " your bite looks great. " Yeah, well it

> looks wonderful but the joints are a completely mess and I can't

feel

> anything. They don't say much about it getting better, so I guess

> we'll see. Yeah, it's pretty much ruined my trumpet playing too.

> Every time I think about that it just.. depresses me I guess. That

> used to be my one thing I was good at, now what do I have?

>

> I appreciate the concern. Hope you're doing well.

> Andy

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OWWWW! Nope! Not fun to read, at all. I don't like hearing that folks

are in pain. Especially not that nice folks are...

But I hope that the MRI leads to some help, and that you'll let us

know what comes after.

I know a couple who were married on Feb. 29. I think they're having

their fifth anniversary this year....

They're nice folks. And you're a babe!

C.

> Cammie,

>

>

> Yes, that means I have a birthday every 4 years. So, technically

I'm

> 5, but turning 20.

>

> Definitely frustrated with the surgeon, yes, and well.. all the

quote

> unquote professionals that I've dealt with. I'm requesting that my

> ortho order an MRI so I know what's going on in my joints, and I'm

> gonna try to go see a massage therapist, and go back to my

> chiropractor. But, I am leary of my chiropractor - everytime I move

> my head suddenly, I get stabbing pains in the joints, which is

> definitely not good if I want to have my neck cracked or what not.

>

> I'll keep you updated.. cause it's fun to read, right? Hahaha..

>

> Take Care,

> Andy

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