Told You So!!

November 14, 2002

Thanks for your post, Kim.

It is a good reminder to each and every one of us.

Barb B.

>

> I had my blood work done and the results were poor. My doctor is

> doing follow-up work to rule out any other problems, but we both

> think it is the lack of protein. The real stupid thing is it isn't

> because I can't afford, don't like, or don't have access to protein,

> I have all, I just have plain been negligent! Well, now I have to

> try to pay the piper, back-peddle and try to fix things...Sheesh,

> why must I always make things difficult, it's not like I didn't

> know! So the protein increase is immediate.

>

> Along with the lack of protein, I have to confess, I have been

> negligent in taking my vitamins too! I have come in under the wire

> in terms of my calcium, and I have been somewhat good about getting

> in my B-12, but, I am going to have to be diligent in taking my

> vitamins/minerals too.

>

Barb B.

November 14, 2002

Well, kick me in the ass, and call me " stupid " ! I am 2.5 years post-

op and I cannot count how many times I have read, been told,

overheard, etc.... that, ifwe don't keep up/increase our protein, we

will eventually end up in trouble.....YEP, it is true! Did I

listen???? No. Am I in trouble????? YES.

I had my blood work done and the results were poor. My doctor is

doing follow-up work to rule out any other problems, but we both

think it is the lack of protein. The real stupid thing is it isn't

because I can't afford, don't like, or don't have access to protein,

I have all, I just have plain been negligent! Well, now I have to

try to pay the piper, back-peddle and try to fix things...Sheesh,

why must I always make things difficult, it's not like I didn't

know! So the protein increase is immediate.

Along with the lack of protein, I have to confess, I have been

negligent in taking my vitamins too! I have come in under the wire

in terms of my calcium, and I have been somewhat good about getting

in my B-12, but, I am going to have to be diligent in taking my

vitamins/minerals too.

Why, oh why, do I always have to think that " things will

be " different " with me????? Denial or stupidity????? The results

are the same!

Moral~~~ " no one is immune to poor health if they abuse the rules!

Okay, everyone can tell me " I told you so " I deserve it!

KJ

RNY May 2000

TT June 2001

Mastoplexy Dec 2001

Implants Jan 2003 (if I get my levels up)

-130 pounds @ goal weight

November 15, 2002

In a message dated 11/15/2002 12:35:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,

klm403@... writes:

<< Well, kick me in the ass, and call me " stupid " ! I am 2.5 years post-

op and I cannot count how many times I have read, been told,

overheard, etc.... that, ifwe don't keep up/increase our protein, we

will eventually end up in trouble.....YEP, it is true! Did I

listen???? No. Am I in trouble????? YES. >>

THANK YOU!! I am pretty good (not near perfect) about getting in my protein,

supplements, etc. I hear too many people saying " oh you are proximal and

don't need all that stuff " ....I know they are wrong, but since they are five

sizes smaller than me, I fall into the " fat and stupid hole " and begin to

doubt myself.

B

November 15, 2002

In a message dated 11/14/2002 9:37:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

klm403@... writes:

> Well, kick me in the ass, and call me " stupid " ! I am 2.5 years post-

> op and I cannot count how many times I have read, been told,

> overheard, etc.... that, ifwe don't keep up/increase our protein, we

> will eventually end up in trouble.....YEP, it is true! Did I

> listen???? No. Am I in trouble????? YES.

>

I am so glad I'm not alone in this! This is my story almost exactly. Where

are you at? Maybe we could suffer together! LOL. I'm better with my

hemaglobin and protein now, except I am having problems with hypoglycemia -

seeing an endocrinologist on Tuesday (non fasting blood sugar 55 with a mean

glucose level of 44 over 3 months - very low).

It is a long process to get recovered - I have been working at it since

February.

Take care,

B

Distal RNY 12/27/95

275/155

November 15, 2002

In a message dated 11/14/2002 9:37:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

klm403@... writes:

> Well, kick me in the ass, and call me " stupid " ! I am 2.5 years post-

> op and I cannot count how many times I have read, been told,

> overheard, etc.... that, ifwe don't keep up/increase our protein, we

> will eventually end up in trouble.....YEP, it is true! Did I

> listen???? No. Am I in trouble????? YES.

>

I am so glad I'm not alone in this! This is my story almost exactly. Where

are you at? Maybe we could suffer together! LOL. I'm better with my

hemaglobin and protein now, except I am having problems with hypoglycemia -

seeing an endocrinologist on Tuesday (non fasting blood sugar 55 with a mean

glucose level of 44 over 3 months - very low).

It is a long process to get recovered - I have been working at it since

February.

Take care,

B

Distal RNY 12/27/95

275/155

November 15, 2002

In a message dated 11/14/2002 9:37:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

klm403@... writes:

> Well, kick me in the ass, and call me " stupid " ! I am 2.5 years post-

> op and I cannot count how many times I have read, been told,

> overheard, etc.... that, ifwe don't keep up/increase our protein, we

> will eventually end up in trouble.....YEP, it is true! Did I

> listen???? No. Am I in trouble????? YES.

>

I am so glad I'm not alone in this! This is my story almost exactly. Where

are you at? Maybe we could suffer together! LOL. I'm better with my

hemaglobin and protein now, except I am having problems with hypoglycemia -

seeing an endocrinologist on Tuesday (non fasting blood sugar 55 with a mean

glucose level of 44 over 3 months - very low).

It is a long process to get recovered - I have been working at it since

February.

Take care,

B

Distal RNY 12/27/95

275/155

November 15, 2002

> Moral~~~ " no one is immune to poor health if they abuse the rules!

> Okay, everyone can tell me " I told you so " I deserve it!

KJ,

No one deserves to be beat up -- getting into the habit of all this new

stuff is hard and some times takes a 2x4 for us to " GET IT " -- I have

trouble " remembering " all the stuff all the time so I made it " simple " for

me -- protein shake and pills and/or pills with protein shake -- if I drink

a shake and don't take pills it's against the rules and vice versa (this

doesn't count for iron since I don't take iron... you'll have to get that

one in some how differently.)

I drink a shake, pop my pills and I wait at least 20 minutes so they all

dissolve (hopefully) -- it is really the ONLY way I can remember right

now...

I think has the same rule only she uses food -- pills with food /

food with pills -- kind of rule.

I also have a something in every three hours rule (so I don't get over

hungry or under hungry) and 3 hours is enough spread time between pills --

You can make up your own rules that apply well for your life style --

sounds silly but it works for me.

hugz,

~denise

November 15, 2002

> Moral~~~ " no one is immune to poor health if they abuse the rules!

> Okay, everyone can tell me " I told you so " I deserve it!

KJ,

No one deserves to be beat up -- getting into the habit of all this new

stuff is hard and some times takes a 2x4 for us to " GET IT " -- I have

trouble " remembering " all the stuff all the time so I made it " simple " for

me -- protein shake and pills and/or pills with protein shake -- if I drink

a shake and don't take pills it's against the rules and vice versa (this

doesn't count for iron since I don't take iron... you'll have to get that

one in some how differently.)

I drink a shake, pop my pills and I wait at least 20 minutes so they all

dissolve (hopefully) -- it is really the ONLY way I can remember right

now...

I think has the same rule only she uses food -- pills with food /

food with pills -- kind of rule.

I also have a something in every three hours rule (so I don't get over

hungry or under hungry) and 3 hours is enough spread time between pills --

You can make up your own rules that apply well for your life style --

sounds silly but it works for me.

hugz,

~denise

November 15, 2002

> Moral~~~ " no one is immune to poor health if they abuse the rules!

> Okay, everyone can tell me " I told you so " I deserve it!

KJ,

No one deserves to be beat up -- getting into the habit of all this new

stuff is hard and some times takes a 2x4 for us to " GET IT " -- I have

trouble " remembering " all the stuff all the time so I made it " simple " for

me -- protein shake and pills and/or pills with protein shake -- if I drink

a shake and don't take pills it's against the rules and vice versa (this

doesn't count for iron since I don't take iron... you'll have to get that

one in some how differently.)

I drink a shake, pop my pills and I wait at least 20 minutes so they all

dissolve (hopefully) -- it is really the ONLY way I can remember right

now...

I think has the same rule only she uses food -- pills with food /

food with pills -- kind of rule.

I also have a something in every three hours rule (so I don't get over

hungry or under hungry) and 3 hours is enough spread time between pills --

You can make up your own rules that apply well for your life style --

sounds silly but it works for me.

hugz,

~denise

November 15, 2002

My surgeon said I will have to have these tests for the rest of my life. Fay

Bayuk

November 15, 2002

My surgeon said I will have to have these tests for the rest of my life. Fay

Bayuk

November 15, 2002

My surgeon said I will have to have these tests for the rest of my life. Fay

Bayuk

November 15, 2002

I'm curious about how other people eat so that they end up protein

deficient. This is not judgemental in any way, so don't take it that

way. I think because I am married to a Chinese, I might have a diet

higher in protein than others. Or does everyone eat protein like I

do and I need to be more careful about getting more?

I'm confused about whether this is something I need to pay attention

to or not. My regular diet gives me about50+ gms. protein a day, and

if I pay extra attention, I get about 60+ a day. I would guess this

is because we eat a lot of fish, chicken, tofu, eggs and greens as a

part of our quasi-asian diet. This is not because I am super

nutrition woman, it's because that's the way my husband wants to eat

and we do it. A fluke. My bad eating habits come on top of this diet

as extra no-nos.

But my sister lives on junk food and carbs. She is thin, but not so

healthy. My other sister eats a lot of the packaged dinners, grabs

whatever for lunch at work and skips breakfast, so I would guess she

probably doesn't get a lot of quality protein.

So low protein people, please don't be shy and tell me honestly how

you eat. Give me the real lowdown. I need to know if I need to adjust

my intake. Thanks for sharing.

Smiles,

Vicki A.

> Thanks for your post, Kim.

> It is a good reminder to each and every one of us.

> Barb B.

> >

> > I had my blood work done and the results were poor. My doctor is

> > doing follow-up work to rule out any other problems, but we both

> > think it is the lack of protein. The real stupid thing is it

isn't

> > because I can't afford, don't like, or don't have access to

protein,

> > I have all, I just have plain been negligent! Well, now I have

to

> > try to pay the piper, back-peddle and try to fix things...Sheesh,

> > why must I always make things difficult, it's not like I didn't

> > know! So the protein increase is immediate.

> >

> > Along with the lack of protein, I have to confess, I have been

> > negligent in taking my vitamins too! I have come in under the

wire

> > in terms of my calcium, and I have been somewhat good about

getting

> > in my B-12, but, I am going to have to be diligent in taking my

> > vitamins/minerals too.

> >

>

> Barb B.

>

November 15, 2002

I'm curious about how other people eat so that they end up protein

deficient. This is not judgemental in any way, so don't take it that

way. I think because I am married to a Chinese, I might have a diet

higher in protein than others. Or does everyone eat protein like I

do and I need to be more careful about getting more?

I'm confused about whether this is something I need to pay attention

to or not. My regular diet gives me about50+ gms. protein a day, and

if I pay extra attention, I get about 60+ a day. I would guess this

is because we eat a lot of fish, chicken, tofu, eggs and greens as a

part of our quasi-asian diet. This is not because I am super

nutrition woman, it's because that's the way my husband wants to eat

and we do it. A fluke. My bad eating habits come on top of this diet

as extra no-nos.

But my sister lives on junk food and carbs. She is thin, but not so

healthy. My other sister eats a lot of the packaged dinners, grabs

whatever for lunch at work and skips breakfast, so I would guess she

probably doesn't get a lot of quality protein.

So low protein people, please don't be shy and tell me honestly how

you eat. Give me the real lowdown. I need to know if I need to adjust

my intake. Thanks for sharing.

Smiles,

Vicki A.

> Thanks for your post, Kim.

> It is a good reminder to each and every one of us.

> Barb B.

> >

> > I had my blood work done and the results were poor. My doctor is

> > doing follow-up work to rule out any other problems, but we both

> > think it is the lack of protein. The real stupid thing is it

isn't

> > because I can't afford, don't like, or don't have access to

protein,

> > I have all, I just have plain been negligent! Well, now I have

to

> > try to pay the piper, back-peddle and try to fix things...Sheesh,

> > why must I always make things difficult, it's not like I didn't

> > know! So the protein increase is immediate.

> >

> > Along with the lack of protein, I have to confess, I have been

> > negligent in taking my vitamins too! I have come in under the

wire

> > in terms of my calcium, and I have been somewhat good about

getting

> > in my B-12, but, I am going to have to be diligent in taking my

> > vitamins/minerals too.

> >

>

> Barb B.

>

November 15, 2002

I'm curious about how other people eat so that they end up protein

deficient. This is not judgemental in any way, so don't take it that

way. I think because I am married to a Chinese, I might have a diet

higher in protein than others. Or does everyone eat protein like I

do and I need to be more careful about getting more?

I'm confused about whether this is something I need to pay attention

to or not. My regular diet gives me about50+ gms. protein a day, and

if I pay extra attention, I get about 60+ a day. I would guess this

is because we eat a lot of fish, chicken, tofu, eggs and greens as a

part of our quasi-asian diet. This is not because I am super

nutrition woman, it's because that's the way my husband wants to eat

and we do it. A fluke. My bad eating habits come on top of this diet

as extra no-nos.

But my sister lives on junk food and carbs. She is thin, but not so

healthy. My other sister eats a lot of the packaged dinners, grabs

whatever for lunch at work and skips breakfast, so I would guess she

probably doesn't get a lot of quality protein.

So low protein people, please don't be shy and tell me honestly how

you eat. Give me the real lowdown. I need to know if I need to adjust

my intake. Thanks for sharing.

Smiles,

Vicki A.

> Thanks for your post, Kim.

> It is a good reminder to each and every one of us.

> Barb B.

> >

> > I had my blood work done and the results were poor. My doctor is

> > doing follow-up work to rule out any other problems, but we both

> > think it is the lack of protein. The real stupid thing is it

isn't

> > because I can't afford, don't like, or don't have access to

protein,

> > I have all, I just have plain been negligent! Well, now I have

to

> > try to pay the piper, back-peddle and try to fix things...Sheesh,

> > why must I always make things difficult, it's not like I didn't

> > know! So the protein increase is immediate.

> >

> > Along with the lack of protein, I have to confess, I have been

> > negligent in taking my vitamins too! I have come in under the

wire

> > in terms of my calcium, and I have been somewhat good about

getting

> > in my B-12, but, I am going to have to be diligent in taking my

> > vitamins/minerals too.

> >

>

> Barb B.

>

November 15, 2002

OK, now I really don't get it. Someone educate me please.

I've never been tested for all these things like protein, iron,

glucose, etc. I have my regular labs done with my GP at my annual

physical. I'm not sure if he knows about my surgery or not. They come

out OK. My surgeon just saw me a couple of days ago, just asked me

how everything was, I said fine, we set some goals, he wrote a b12

prescription and that was it.

Are your Dr.s doing all these tests because there is a problem and

the tests are indicated, or is this just a routine some Dr.s have?

I've had such an easy time with this surgery. My only complaint, if

you could call it that, is that I haven't lost as fast as others. On

the other hand, I never dumped, eat whatever I want (maybe part of

the " problem " !), no hair loss, dry skin, tags, etc. In a freaky way

I feel kind of left out.

Is this a case where if it's not broken, don't fix it?

My surgeon even said not to bother with protein shakes unless I was

doing it just to mix things up, and only as a meal replacement, not

in addition to my diet.

The only thing I struggle with is not munching and trying to get

enough exercise. Everyone else seems to have to manage so many

aspects of their diet. Am I lucky or ignorant?

Smiles,

Vicki A.

> In a message dated 11/14/2002 9:37:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> klm403@s... writes:

>

> > Well, kick me in the ass, and call me " stupid " ! I am 2.5 years

post-

> > op and I cannot count how many times I have read, been told,

> > overheard, etc.... that, ifwe don't keep up/increase our protein,

we

> > will eventually end up in trouble.....YEP, it is true! Did I

> > listen???? No. Am I in trouble????? YES.

> >

>

> I am so glad I'm not alone in this! This is my story almost

exactly. Where

> are you at? Maybe we could suffer together! LOL. I'm better with

my

> hemaglobin and protein now, except I am having problems with

hypoglycemia -

> seeing an endocrinologist on Tuesday (non fasting blood sugar 55

with a mean

> glucose level of 44 over 3 months - very low).

>

> It is a long process to get recovered - I have been working at it

since

> February.

>

> Take care,

>

> B

> Distal RNY 12/27/95

> 275/155

>

November 15, 2002

OK, now I really don't get it. Someone educate me please.

I've never been tested for all these things like protein, iron,

glucose, etc. I have my regular labs done with my GP at my annual

physical. I'm not sure if he knows about my surgery or not. They come

out OK. My surgeon just saw me a couple of days ago, just asked me

how everything was, I said fine, we set some goals, he wrote a b12

prescription and that was it.

Are your Dr.s doing all these tests because there is a problem and

the tests are indicated, or is this just a routine some Dr.s have?

I've had such an easy time with this surgery. My only complaint, if

you could call it that, is that I haven't lost as fast as others. On

the other hand, I never dumped, eat whatever I want (maybe part of

the " problem " !), no hair loss, dry skin, tags, etc. In a freaky way

I feel kind of left out.

Is this a case where if it's not broken, don't fix it?

My surgeon even said not to bother with protein shakes unless I was

doing it just to mix things up, and only as a meal replacement, not

in addition to my diet.

The only thing I struggle with is not munching and trying to get

enough exercise. Everyone else seems to have to manage so many

aspects of their diet. Am I lucky or ignorant?

Smiles,

Vicki A.

> In a message dated 11/14/2002 9:37:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> klm403@s... writes:

>

> > Well, kick me in the ass, and call me " stupid " ! I am 2.5 years

post-

> > op and I cannot count how many times I have read, been told,

> > overheard, etc.... that, ifwe don't keep up/increase our protein,

we

> > will eventually end up in trouble.....YEP, it is true! Did I

> > listen???? No. Am I in trouble????? YES.

> >

>

> I am so glad I'm not alone in this! This is my story almost

exactly. Where

> are you at? Maybe we could suffer together! LOL. I'm better with

my

> hemaglobin and protein now, except I am having problems with

hypoglycemia -

> seeing an endocrinologist on Tuesday (non fasting blood sugar 55

with a mean

> glucose level of 44 over 3 months - very low).

>

> It is a long process to get recovered - I have been working at it

since

> February.

>

> Take care,

>

> B

> Distal RNY 12/27/95

> 275/155

>

November 15, 2002

OK, now I really don't get it. Someone educate me please.

I've never been tested for all these things like protein, iron,

glucose, etc. I have my regular labs done with my GP at my annual

physical. I'm not sure if he knows about my surgery or not. They come

out OK. My surgeon just saw me a couple of days ago, just asked me

how everything was, I said fine, we set some goals, he wrote a b12

prescription and that was it.

Are your Dr.s doing all these tests because there is a problem and

the tests are indicated, or is this just a routine some Dr.s have?

I've had such an easy time with this surgery. My only complaint, if

you could call it that, is that I haven't lost as fast as others. On

the other hand, I never dumped, eat whatever I want (maybe part of

the " problem " !), no hair loss, dry skin, tags, etc. In a freaky way

I feel kind of left out.

Is this a case where if it's not broken, don't fix it?

My surgeon even said not to bother with protein shakes unless I was

doing it just to mix things up, and only as a meal replacement, not

in addition to my diet.

The only thing I struggle with is not munching and trying to get

enough exercise. Everyone else seems to have to manage so many

aspects of their diet. Am I lucky or ignorant?

Smiles,

Vicki A.

> In a message dated 11/14/2002 9:37:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> klm403@s... writes:

>

> > Well, kick me in the ass, and call me " stupid " ! I am 2.5 years

post-

> > op and I cannot count how many times I have read, been told,

> > overheard, etc.... that, ifwe don't keep up/increase our protein,

we

> > will eventually end up in trouble.....YEP, it is true! Did I

> > listen???? No. Am I in trouble????? YES.

> >

>

> I am so glad I'm not alone in this! This is my story almost

exactly. Where

> are you at? Maybe we could suffer together! LOL. I'm better with

my

> hemaglobin and protein now, except I am having problems with

hypoglycemia -

> seeing an endocrinologist on Tuesday (non fasting blood sugar 55

with a mean

> glucose level of 44 over 3 months - very low).

>

> It is a long process to get recovered - I have been working at it

since

> February.

>

> Take care,

>

> B

> Distal RNY 12/27/95

> 275/155

>

November 15, 2002

Hi Vicki,

When I became protein deficient, it wasn't necessarily because I wasn't eating

enough protein, but the fact that I wasn't ABSORBING the protein due to the

bypass - we don't break down the proteins from food because of the bypassing of

the duodenum. I was " blind " to this fact, and so I was trying to eat protein

first. However, as I became more and more protein deficient, and more and more

dedicated (stupidly) to my work and the demands that it entailed at the time, I

ate less and less. I found that I started hitting the crackers more, as they

seemed to give me more energy, or I just ate a few here and there, and then by

dinner time, I really didn't eat much, as my pouch shrank more and more. I did

this unconsciously, not realizing it, and the longer I did this, the more it

became " normal " for me to do. It was acceptable. However, I soon crashed, and

had to restart the protein supplements, and that, and ONLY that is what brought

my protein levels back up.

Now, however, due to the long-term malnutrition, and the post-gastrectomy, I

have become severely hypoglycemic, and have severe problems - almost leading to

passing out, except I have been able to either " talk myself " out of it, or stop

what I'm doing and chug protein or something to counteract it. I will be going

to an endocrinologist next week to see what can be done about it.

Take care,

B

Distal RNY 12/27/95

275/155

November 15, 2002