Brain Fog

November 28, 2004

Hi ,

I like Gotu Kola. It makes me feel more alert and mentally sharp. I

use the liquid form and take about 1/4 of the recommended daily dose

because it can also raise your blood pressure.

March 7, 2005

I think the brain fog has to be the worse! This is how I really started

suspecting I had candida. I am still so focused on how to help my son that I

tend to not worry about how to help me at the moment. The brain fog makes it so

hard to focus on what people are saying and mostly listening to my children. I

feel bad when I have to ask them to repeat what they said because I can't

comprehend what is coming out of thier mouths!

A funny note though is when I first started getting brain fog I thought it was

because I had not been reading/learning adult things. I am so focused on

teaching my children that I am learning what they learn. I thought I was

slipping in my mental abilities! LOL. The more I learned about candida, the

more I realized that that was what was causing this " foggy " feeling, not my lack

of adult learning!

penny martin <penelopea@...> wrote:

Whew - you aren't kidding about the brain fog. I have to print out a lot of

information and make files. Then I can go over it two or three or more) times -

" study " it, actually - and maybe remember it. I am really looking forward to

the day I get my " intelligence " back, lol.

[

~ Ouida ~

Wife to Damian, momma to , Abigail, Jubilee Faith, ph and soon to

Isabella Grace.

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March 7, 2005

Ditto, ditto, ditto!!!! lol

Ouida said: " ..........and glad the members recommended the file

section. I downloaded most of the files and have read them as I

have time. A lot of them have helped me greatly. I even printed off

the how to overcome article just so I can read it over and over

again (brain fog makes it hard to remember what I read now days).

<Whew - you aren't kidding about the brain fog. I have to print out

a lot of information and make files. Then I can go over it two or

three or more) times - " study " it, actually - and maybe remember

it. I am really looking forward to the day I get my " intelligence "

back, lol.

October 17, 2006

And here I thought it was just old age creeping in. I too am sorry to

hear so many of you have " Brain Fog " but at the same time glad to hear

it's not just me . I have even tried writing things downso I do not

forget then I either forget where I wrote it or, when I read what I

wrote I have no idea what it's talking about.I don't think it's pain

meds either. I was on Celebrex for years up until 2 weeks ago whenI

started on naproxen 1000mg a day which is not helping the pain at

allbut my Dr sez I got to be on it at least 4 weeks before he will

swith to something stronger.

Oh well, the saga continues.....

Glenn

<SweetStuff1956@...> wrote:

>

> I am relieved to see the posts on this subject. I have metioned it

to

> a few people but I always feel weird about it....sometimes at the

> grocery or watever I have proble,s...my own daughter told

> me...mom....it's like you've never been to the grocery before...it

was

> a big shopping day...I tried to explain it to her...but she does not

do

> too well with weaknesses....I always thought it was my pain meds so

to

> hear it is a valid thing makes it easier to deal with already.

Weetie

>

November 10, 2006

Well, I have it all the time, Brain fog means you don't remember what you want

too... I also call it CRS, Cant Remember sh--...

Love And Peace

Always, Shaun And Barb

November 11, 2006

that's funny . I think I have that can't remember sh ...syndrome too. cathy

from ma

November 14, 2006

HEHEHE... I think a lot of us do...

Shaun and Barb...

December 4, 2006

No sorry I don't. The drugs make you feel like brain fog, but I just push forward and did what I had too fog or no fog. But I do know what you are feeling, it can be frustrating but you will get kind of use to it and be able to function well on brain fog mode.

Lynne

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of sielick817@...Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: [ ] brain fog

anyon here know the medication that helps 'brain fog"..thank you jen in nj.

December 7, 2006

Jen there is nothing for brain fog or brain fats or CRS..Trust me I have tried to find it myself..We are just stuck with it..LOl

Jan

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January 24, 2007

--- cameronparkmom@... wrote:

> and you can't remember the words you want to use to

convey what you are talking about.

You mean I'm not the only one " losing my nouns " ? My

sweetie is getting better at understanding my bizarre

sign language and cryptic desciptions (like, " that

thing on the counter with the water in it " means " the

humidifier tank " , and " that square thing with the

pictures " and frantic pointing at the living room

means " the tv " ). He's also getting better at filling

in the blanks when the words are trapped on the tip of

my tongue.

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December 4, 2007

>

> OK, the brain fog is killing me. I am working on a web site and my

best time

> is shortly after I have gotten up. That lasts for about two hours

or 3 at

> most and then I can't wrap my mind around things. I still have some

learning

> to do on web development and I am sitting her looking at tutorials

and such

> but it's just not sinking in. The best way I can describe it is

that I just

> can't wrap my mind around it. I don't suppose there is something

you can do

> or take to help with that? I once read that niacin helps - is that

true?

==>a, some people need to continue doing the 9-day program for

a longer period of time (but after day 9 do clear water enemas only

every 4 days).

==>Also you can do this for severe die-off symptoms; found in the "

Candida Symptoms, Help For " Folder, in the article " Die-Off Symptoms,

Help for " :

" When you experience severe die-off reactions, in order to alleviate

your symptoms do the following as soon as possible:

· Take these all at once, except for 2,000 mgs of vitamin C, which is

taken every hour:

a. 2 capsules of hydrochloric acid (preferably Betaine HCl with

pepsin).

b. 4,000 mgs vitamin C is taken immediately, and take 2,000 mgs

every hour until symptoms subside or until you reach bowel tolerance

(loose stools) and then cut back on the amount taken.

c. Vitamin B complex 100 mgs, in addition your daily amount.

d. 500 mgs of niacin (if you can stand the flush; if you cannot

stand the flush take at least 50 mgs every hour)

e. 10,000 IUs vitamin A.

f. 400 IUs vitamin D.

Note: Vitamins A and D are available in cod liver or halibut liver

oil capsules.

You can also do the following:

· Drink clove, Pau D'Arco, or ginger tea (see the Recipe Files) –

Drink 4 to 5 cups within 5-6 hours. They are powerful antioxidants

and they will help your body detoxify.

· Take baths with Epsom salts or 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide.

Baths help draw toxins out through the skin which helps minimize

symptoms. Also your body will absorb the magnesium sulphate from

Epsom salts which will help soothe and relax aching muscles and

joints. Add two cups, or 500 grams, of Epsom salts, and soak for 15-

20 minutes. Use 1/2 cup of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide in 1/2 a

bathtub of very warm to hot water – as hot as you can stand it. Lay

down, covering yourself with towels soaked in the tub, and which are

kept warm by soaking them frequently. Soak in the tub until you sweat.

· Ensure you are taking calcium/magnesium according to the Essential

Supplement recommendations - they help minimize aches and pains. You

can also take 300 mg of magnesium citrate in addition to your daily

dose. "

Bee

January 21, 2008

I still have the brain fog. I have hypoT and fibromyalgia and atrial

fibrillation. They could all

be playing a part in it.

Roni

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

How many of you still have brain fog even though your are optimized

with

your thyroid meds whatever they may be? If a person is still foggy does

that mean not enough meds?

Blessings,

Crystal

September 3, 2009

I think it's only about 5% or less of patients who have the many

symptoms that are not eliminated by T4 alone; although it's a much

higher percentage on lists such as this. I've never heard anyone

suggest that brain fog might be different between hemisphere's of the

but FAIK it may be. If you find out you might let us know.

Luck,

..

> Posted by: " bdowns45681 " bdowns45681@...

> <mailto:bdowns45681@...?Subject=%20Re%3ABrain%20Fog>

> bdowns45681 <bdowns45681>

>

> Wed Sep 2, 2009 10:56 am (PDT)

>

> Hi all,

> I will be posting this to other groups I'm in too so if you see it ,

> it's me...'

> I have some questions on brain fog or that's what we call it. I'm

> wondering if all people w/thyroid problems have brain fog..? The

> people I personally know don't have it or at least they don't admit

> it. And I'm wondering if the people here that have brain fog only have

> brain fog for their left hemisphere or if they have it in the right

> hemisphere too or just in the right hemisphere? I've heard on these

> groups that low thyroid hits the weak parts of the body. This sure

> makes sense to me. My thryoid took a dive the last several months and

> a lot of my symptoms have come back so I increased and a lot of them

> are gone, but the brain fog or at least some of it still remains ,

> BUT, only in left hemispere and I'm left handed , basically living in

> my right hemisphere, so my art, intuition and things like that are not

> affected but finding words and solving problems of math or whatever is

> very difficult.. Is anybody else noticing this same thing?

> looking forward to hearing from all

> take care

> Bev

September 4, 2009

I will do that if I find out.

take care

Bev

>

> I think it's only about 5% or less of patients who have the many

> symptoms that are not eliminated by T4 alone; although it's a much

> higher percentage on lists such as this. I've never heard anyone

> suggest that brain fog might be different between hemisphere's of the

> but FAIK it may be. If you find out you might let us know.

>

> Luck,

>

> .

>

> > Posted by: " bdowns45681 " bdowns45681@...

> > <mailto:bdowns45681@...?Subject=%20Re%3ABrain%20Fog>

> > bdowns45681 <bdowns45681>

> >

> > Wed Sep 2, 2009 10:56 am (PDT)

> >

> > Hi all,

> > I will be posting this to other groups I'm in too so if you see it ,

> > it's me...'

> > I have some questions on brain fog or that's what we call it. I'm

> > wondering if all people w/thyroid problems have brain fog..? The

> > people I personally know don't have it or at least they don't admit

> > it. And I'm wondering if the people here that have brain fog only have

> > brain fog for their left hemisphere or if they have it in the right

> > hemisphere too or just in the right hemisphere? I've heard on these

> > groups that low thyroid hits the weak parts of the body. This sure

> > makes sense to me. My thryoid took a dive the last several months and

> > a lot of my symptoms have come back so I increased and a lot of them

> > are gone, but the brain fog or at least some of it still remains ,

> > BUT, only in left hemispere and I'm left handed , basically living in

> > my right hemisphere, so my art, intuition and things like that are not

> > affected but finding words and solving problems of math or whatever is

> > very difficult.. Is anybody else noticing this same thing?

> > looking forward to hearing from all

> > take care

> > Bev

>

September 5, 2009

Hi all-excuse my jumping in on this one, especially since I'm new to the group.

I too, had trouble with brain fog and it really was bothering me. I spoke to

the Dr about it during a physical, and she did a simple test--she asked me to

remember 3 words, and then went on with the exam. About 10 minutes later, she

asked me to tell her the words, and I couldn't even remember that she had asked

me to remember them-yikes!! After a clue, I was able to come up with 2 of the

3. Along with the usual annual blood tests, she also had them test my B12

levels. Yes, you guessed it, they were low. After doing some internet

research, I found that many of the symptoms for my pernicious anemia (B12

deficiency) mimic those of hypothyroidism. So along with the levoxyl (and a few

others), I also have a B12 injection once a month. When first diagnosed, I had

quite a few consecutive days with shots to get the level back to normal.

Totally did the trick. Not sure if this is the case with anyone else, but it is

something to look into, just in case. Apologies for my longwindedness--good

luck, Liz

>

> I will do that if I find out.

> take care

> Bev

>

> >

> > I think it's only about 5% or less of patients who have the many

> > symptoms that are not eliminated by T4 alone; although it's a much

> > higher percentage on lists such as this. I've never heard anyone

> > suggest that brain fog might be different between hemisphere's of the

> > but FAIK it may be. If you find out you might let us know.

> >

> > Luck,

> >

> > .

> >

> > > Posted by: " bdowns45681 " bdowns45681@

> > > <mailto:bdowns45681@?Subject=%20Re%3ABrain%20Fog>

> > > bdowns45681 <bdowns45681>

> > >

> > > Wed Sep 2, 2009 10:56 am (PDT)

> > >

> > > Hi all,

> > > I will be posting this to other groups I'm in too so if you see it ,

> > > it's me...'

> > > I have some questions on brain fog or that's what we call it. I'm

> > > wondering if all people w/thyroid problems have brain fog..? The

> > > people I personally know don't have it or at least they don't admit

> > > it. And I'm wondering if the people here that have brain fog only have

> > > brain fog for their left hemisphere or if they have it in the right

> > > hemisphere too or just in the right hemisphere? I've heard on these

> > > groups that low thyroid hits the weak parts of the body. This sure

> > > makes sense to me. My thryoid took a dive the last several months and

> > > a lot of my symptoms have come back so I increased and a lot of them

> > > are gone, but the brain fog or at least some of it still remains ,

> > > BUT, only in left hemispere and I'm left handed , basically living in

> > > my right hemisphere, so my art, intuition and things like that are not

> > > affected but finding words and solving problems of math or whatever is

> > > very difficult.. Is anybody else noticing this same thing?

> > > looking forward to hearing from all

> > > take care

> > > Bev

> >

>

September 8, 2009

Thanks for the info.. I too was dx-ed low B12 at the same time I was dx-ed

hypothyroidism. He said it should be fine but I took it on myself and have taken

b12 supplements everyday since 2003 and the docs. have tested it since and it's

fine.. unless the b12 supps. are not working and they're just masking the test.

take care

Bev

> Hi all-excuse my jumping in on this one, especially since I'm new to the

group. I too, had trouble with brain fog and it really was bothering me. I

spoke to the Dr about it during a physical, and she did a simple test--she asked

me to remember 3 words, and then went on with the exam. About 10 minutes later,

she asked me to tell her the words, and I couldn't even remember that she had

asked me to remember them-yikes!! After a clue, I was able to come up with 2 of

the 3. Along with the usual annual blood tests, she also had them test my B12

levels. Yes, you guessed it, they were low. After doing some internet

research, I found that many of the symptoms for my pernicious anemia (B12

deficiency) mimic those of hypothyroidism. So along with the levoxyl (and a few

others), I also have a B12 injection once a month. When first diagnosed, I had

quite a few consecutive days with shots to get the level back to normal.

Totally did the trick. Not sure if this is the case with anyone else, but it is

something to look into, just in case. Apologies for my longwindedness--good

luck, Liz

>

> >

> > I will do that if I find out.

> > take care

> > Bev

> >

September 13, 2009

I forget what kind of doctor these woman seen

I've heard other woman who had brain fog or vision problems

their doctors diagnosed them as having parasites

Some of these woman did more than one parasite cleanse

Passing a large worm, baby worms and their eggs

For those woman who never had implants

Brain fog does not have to be implant related

Sandy~

September 13, 2009

Everyone has parasites, even your pets!You do need parasites as they do your body a favor. Until they get out of control is where the problem begins.I am here to encourage others with or without implants what your feeling is not normal and there is a way out. Just by this 3 basic steps, "Cleanse,Nourish and let thy body heal itself"The cleanse part is where many get lost and that is what I am willing to help others to do. I was one of those lost souls at one time, too. Not having a clue where to start and way, and forgetting what I had done.I will share the part of my upcoming book at www.ginscorner.com, Cure Yourself Naturally What To Do When Your Doctor Can't Heal YouOne can also view the free preview of the story-dont buy yet- it is getting updating this week and you sign up for my newsletter I can notify you when the whole update is done.Trying many formulas for parasites and not having much success till I did her plan and it's not expensive you just need 3 herbs but you have to follow the dosage as there is birth, eggs and rebirth so you will be hitting all those stagesI also just uploaded Dr. Hulda es parasite protocol in the files of the group Herbalistic Detox at HerbalisticDetox/

Chapter 9: Parasites

Many do not want to believe they have a parasite issue (the

thought is enough to gross-out anyone). Initially it made me feel dirty, but

this is not the case as I came to find out. Everyone needs a healthy balance of parasites. The way

I look at parasites; they are bottom feeders in an aquarium. Their needed to

clean up the tank . They will eat everything including all the crud. Your tank

will be cleaner. Plus it adds more oxygen to the tank. They are your helpers;

they are not going to hurt any other fish or ourselves.

Many parasites that

host us are acceptable to our body. For example, we have a parasite that lives

near ones eyelashes, they assist in keeping the tissues clean. If we have a

healthy, functioning digestive system, we are harboring millions of beneficial

bacteria in the small intestine. They help us achieve in building B vitamins

(which many lack), killing harmful bacteria and other destructive

parasites.

Sometimes we can have an overgrowth of parasites that can be

detrimental to our health. These parasites feed off your body's nutrients,

leaving you starving for nutrients and more prone to attract disease, such as

round worms, flatworms (flukes), tapeworms, and pinworms. The sizes varies they

can be microscopic to stretching to 30 feet in length. Hookworm (all in the

name) will hook itself to the intestinal walls and live off the host's blood.

They also leave behind toxins and cause more labor for the organs to keep your

blood and body free from further toxicity.

When following any

parasite protocol the first that usually comes out is, ascari. It looks like

rice and around the same size. Parasites and the overgrowth of yeast

(Candida) a destructive organism seem to go hand-in-hand. The yeast gets out of

control, and so do parasites. Just as the hulking creature that came out of me,

on the 37 day fast.

Example: Like your

trash can, parasites want to live in polluted areas. When keeping the body's

immune system in poor condition, the parasite thrives and reproduces itself in

your most unhealthy organs.

When taking an

antibiotic, some of the beneficial bacteria gets destroyed giving harmful

parasites the upper hand advantage. If taking an antibiotic, then make sure to

replace the beneficial bacteria in your small intestines before the parasites

and yeast takes over. EnzymePower and live juicing will benefit your body with

helpful enzymes or ask your health care professional.

Have a Happy and Healthy Day, Kopera M.H.© Copyright 2007 www.sCorner.com . All rights reserved | Privacy Policy WARNING: None of the above statements have been evaluated or approved by the Food and Drug Administration or the American Medical Association. The information provided on this site is intended for your general knowledge only and is not a substitute for professional medical advice or treatment for specific medical conditions. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health care provider before using any

herbal products. From: Sandy <dusty.com@...> Cc: Sandy <dusty.com@...>Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:27:06 PMSubject: Brain Fog

I forget what kind of doctor these woman seen

I've heard other woman who had brain fog or vision problems

their doctors diagnosed them as having parasites

Some of these woman did more than one parasite cleanse

Passing a large worm, baby worms and their eggs

For those woman who never had implants

Brain fog does not have to be implant related

Sandy~

September 13, 2009

Oops, The correct address is www.ginascorner.com . Have a Happy and Healthy Day, Kopera M.H.© Copyright 2007 www.sCorner.com . All rights reserved | Privacy Policy WARNING: None of the above statements have been evaluated or approved by the Food and Drug Administration or the American Medical Association. The

information provided on this site is intended for your general knowledge only and is not a substitute for professional medical advice or treatment for specific medical conditions. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health care provider before using any herbal products. From: Kopera <ginakopera1@...>To:

Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 2:18:15 PMSubject: Re: Brain Fog

Everyone has parasites, even your pets!You do need parasites as they do your body a favor. Until they get out of control is where the problem begins.I am here to encourage others with or without implants what your feeling is not normal and there is a way out. Just by this 3 basic steps, "Cleanse,Nourish and let thy body heal itself"The cleanse part is where many get lost and that is what I am willing to help others to do. I was one of those lost souls at one time, too. Not having a clue where to start and way, and forgetting what I had done.I will share the part of my upcoming book at www.ginscorner. com, Cure Yourself Naturally What To Do When Your Doctor Can't Heal YouOne can also view the free preview of the story-dont buy yet- it is getting updating this week and you sign up for my newsletter I can notify you when the whole update is done.Trying many formulas for parasites and not having much success till I did her plan and it's not expensive you just need 3 herbs but you have to follow the dosage as there is birth, eggs and rebirth so you will be hitting all those stagesI also just uploaded Dr. Hulda es parasite protocol in the files of the group Herbalistic Detox at http://health. groups.. com/group/ HerbalisticDetox /

Chapter 9: Parasites

Many do not want to believe they have a parasite issue (the

thought is enough to gross-out anyone). Initially it made me feel dirty, but

this is not the case as I came to find out. Everyone needs a healthy balance of parasites. The way

I look at parasites; they are bottom feeders in an aquarium. Their needed to

clean up the tank . They will eat everything including all the crud. Your tank

will be cleaner. Plus it adds more oxygen to the tank. They are your helpers;

they are not going to hurt any other fish or ourselves.

Many parasites that

host us are acceptable to our body. For example, we have a parasite that lives

near ones eyelashes, they assist in keeping the tissues clean. If we have a

healthy, functioning digestive system, we are harboring millions of beneficial

bacteria in the small intestine. They help us achieve in building B vitamins

(which many lack), killing harmful bacteria and other destructive

parasites.

Sometimes we can have an overgrowth of parasites that can be

detrimental to our health. These parasites feed off your body's nutrients,

leaving you starving for nutrients and more prone to attract disease, such as

round worms, flatworms (flukes), tapeworms, and pinworms. The sizes varies they

can be microscopic to stretching to 30 feet in length. Hookworm (all in the

name) will hook itself to the intestinal walls and live off the host's blood.

They also leave behind toxins and cause more labor for the organs to keep your

blood and body free from further toxicity.

When following any

parasite protocol the first that usually comes out is, ascari. It looks like

rice and around the same size. Parasites and the overgrowth of yeast

(Candida) a destructive organism seem to go hand-in-hand. The yeast gets out of

control, and so do parasites. Just as the hulking creature that came out of me,

on the 37 day fast.

Example: Like your

trash can, parasites want to live in polluted areas. When keeping the body's

immune system in poor condition, the parasite thrives and reproduces itself in

your most unhealthy organs.

When taking an

antibiotic, some of the beneficial bacteria gets destroyed giving harmful

parasites the upper hand advantage. If taking an antibiotic, then make sure to

replace the beneficial bacteria in your small intestines before the parasites

and yeast takes over. EnzymePower and live juicing will benefit your body with

helpful enzymes or ask your health care professional.

Have a Happy and Healthy Day, Kopera M.H.© Copyright 2007 www.sCorner.com . All rights reserved | Privacy Policy WARNING: None of the above statements have been evaluated or approved by the Food and Drug Administration or the American Medical Association. The information provided on this site is intended for your general knowledge only and is not a substitute for professional medical advice or treatment for specific medical conditions. Always seek the advice of your physician or

other qualified health care provider before using any

herbal products. From: Sandy <dusty.comcomcast (DOT) net> Cc: Sandy <dusty.comcomcast (DOT) net>Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 1:27:06 PMSubject: Brain Fog

I forget what kind of doctor these woman seen

I've heard other woman who had brain fog or vision problems

their doctors diagnosed them as having parasites

Some of these woman did more than one parasite cleanse

Passing a large worm, baby worms and their eggs

For those woman who never had implants

Brain fog does not have to be implant related

Sandy~

September 15, 2009

>Bev, Yes I also have brain fog I dont know if im coming or going half the time

and its hard to explain to someone who doesnt have it but your not alone and my

doc just look with this dumb face when i tell him good luck

> Hi all,

> I will be posting this to other groups I'm in too so if you see it , it's

me...'

> I have some questions on brain fog or that's what we call it. I'm wondering

if all people w/thyroid problems have brain fog..? The people I personally know

don't have it or at least they don't admit it. And I'm wondering if the people

here that have brain fog only have brain fog for their left hemisphere or if

they have it in the right hemisphere too or just in the right hemisphere? I've

heard on these groups that low thyroid hits the weak parts of the body. This

sure makes sense to me. My thryoid took a dive the last several months and a

lot of my symptoms have come back so I increased and a lot of them are gone, but

the brain fog or at least some of it still remains , BUT, only in left hemispere

and I'm left handed , basically living in my right hemisphere, so my art,

intuition and things like that are not affected but finding words and solving

problems of math or whatever is very difficult.. Is anybody else noticing this

same thing?

> looking forward to hearing from all

> take care

> Bev

>

September 29, 2009

I have been experiencing the same things, but I have been diagnosed with

Fibromyalgia in 1998, and didn't have that before, even though I've been

hypothyroid since my 20's.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: vegascharmed <vegascharmed@...>

Subject: Re: Brain Fog

hypothyroidism

Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 12:00 PM