Re: Low testosterone

[Guest guest]

Gee such big shots what kind were they after 12 weeks your T levels should be a

lot higher then 275 did he test you before your next shot. If so this could be

why you test came back to low 12 weeks is not much time on TRT to say something

is not working. What he should have done is give you 200 mgs on your first

shot then the next week do 100 mgs and do this every week 100 mgs. You need to

have your Estradiol " E2 " checked I am betting your high now doing 400 mgs every

2 weeks for 3 shots will convert into Estradiol big time this will kill your sex

life and make you feel bad things like sore and hard nipples, ED, trouble

reaching an orgasm, low pain in your prostate with slow voiding, feeling of

panic, feeling hot and looking red on the upper part of your body and face and

brain fog. To keep your testis working doing TRT you need to add HCG if on

Androgel do 250 IU's every 3 days. As for how much the loss of your as you call

it dry orgasms try some Maca I have been on this for

a long time it levels off my hormones ups my libido and makes my load much

bigger. Also do some Zinc/Copper every morning this is good for your testis and

helps keep E2 down. I take 1/2 a tsp full of Maca in the morning with some

sugar free 4oz. cup of apple sauce and then again at noon with some low fat

yogurt. I buy it by the KG it comes in a bag and is a powder.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pid=1032/Maca-Powerreg--1kg22lbs-Raw-Maca-P\

owder

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Also go to www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the

HCG Update show this to your Dr. and tell him you need to try this.

Here is a Cut and Past on Eat Right for Maximum Ejaculate. The porn stars do

this.

Phil

Nutrition plays a great role in determining both the content and volume of

your ejaculate. Naturally, a balanced diet is essential for good sexual health,

but the vitamins, minerals and supplements listed below can have a dramatic

effect on the volume of ejaculate your body produces. The supplement

L-Arginine is an amino acid the body uses for a variety of important chemical

and cellular processes. . .it is also believed to help you produce more volume

of ejaculate. 500mg daily and (this is important...) 1,000mg 30-40 minutes prior

to sexual activity. Like all natural supplements, you must be patient and allow

your body's " storehouse " to build-up. This period takes anywhere from 2-4 weeks

depending upon the individuals baseline health and metabolic rate. Zinc - One

of the nutrients most critical for prostate health. The prostate needs 10 times

more zinc than any other organ in the body. It is vital for preventing prostate

problems. Unfortunately, 90% of men consume diets

deficient in Zinc because most of our food is processed. Irving Bush and

Associates at Chicago's Cook County Hospital tested the effectiveness of Zinc

supplementation on men with prostate problems. All patients reported symptomatic

improvement while almost 80% had palpable shrinkage of the prostate gland. RDA

is 15 mg...we recommend 45 mg per day. Lycopene - is a natural anti-oxident

that is prevalent in tomatoes. Recent studies show it to have roughly twice the

power of Beta-Carotene and 10 times the strength of Vitamin E, when it comes to

protecting and healing our bodies from the damage of free radicals which are the

cancer precursors. In fact, free radicals are now considered to be one of the

main causes of disease and aging. In a process known as oxidation, they

accelerate the breakdown of our cell's structure, thereby damaging the DNA and

weakening our immune system. A four year study at Harvard University set out to

see whether the five major antioxidants found in fruits

and vegetables would have any beneficial effect on prostate cancer. Of the

five, only Lycopene was found to have a direct link. They found that of the

50,000 healthy males studied, those who ate at least 10 servings of tomatoes or

tomato based products per week were 33% less likely to develop prostate

complications than those who never ate them. Researchers concluded that the

active antioxidant in tomatoes, Lycopene, significantly reduced the risk of

prostate difficulties and improved its function. We recommend 10-12 servings of

tomatoes or tomato based foods per week. Do not use or ingest if allergic.

Beta-Sitosterol - is another nutrient that may benefit men with prostate

problems. One double blind study of 100 men showed that Beta-Sitosterol taken

over a six month period improved urine flow, reduced the size of the prostate

and led to subjective feelings of improvement. Niacin - is important for many

cellular processes. Supplementation with extra niacin in your diet will

promote increased blood flow to all parts of your body. . .including the

scrotum and testicles.

swg1802 <swg1802@...> wrote: through blood test found out I had low

testosterone.....192

total....was put on testostorone shots 400mg for the first 3 then

200mg for the nest 3.... every 2 weeks....blood test showed and

increase but not that much... now up to 275 total.... I'm now on

Androgel 1% 50mg every morning for the next 3 months....

have been looking at web sites and have seen that some side effects

are testicular andropause or shrinking of my balls...... How small

will the get? and are dry orgasms the norm? My doc had no answer....

befor the shots I could really make a mess when orgasm now it isn't

even a thimble full.... what questions should I confront my Doc with???

thanks for leting me join looking foward to answers...

S W G

[Guest guest]

S W G

I wonder why this is to because ever since i've been on Androgel my

loads are not very big at all. Like you said, mine used to be very

large and now minimized quite a bit even when i dont have any sexual

activity for 3 or 4 days. Also, it does make your nuts soften up a

bit. Both of these side effects are depressing to me and i'm in the

process of getting some HCG to take along with the Androgel.

Josh

[Guest guest]

I feel this can happen because your brain sees the Androgel of T in the blood

and does not send the messages to the testis to make more T so they stop working

and get small. Not to worry I was on TRT for 21 yrs. started on HCG and this

acts like the messages and my testis started working again my T levels doubled

and I am primary meaning my testis can't make enough T. I take Maca and this

helps keep my hormones leveled and brings up my libido and my load is much

bigger. After starting HCG my load is like it was when I was 20 now 62.

Phil

winters1jm <Lwwinters6@...> wrote:

S W G

I wonder why this is to because ever since i've been on Androgel my

loads are not very big at all. Like you said, mine used to be very

large and now minimized quite a bit even when i dont have any sexual

activity for 3 or 4 days. Also, it does make your nuts soften up a

bit. Both of these side effects are depressing to me and i'm in the

process of getting some HCG to take along with the Androgel.

Josh

[Guest guest]

if taking HCG makes ur testes work again why do u take TRT? isn't HCG enough

for you? maybe with HCG alone u wouldn't constantly fight with high E2. just a

thought.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: I feel this can happen because

your brain sees the Androgel of T in the blood and does not send the messages to

the testis to make more T so they stop working and get small. Not to worry I

was on TRT for 21 yrs. started on HCG and this acts like the messages and my

testis started working again my T levels doubled and I am primary meaning my

testis can't make enough T. I take Maca and this helps keep my hormones leveled

and brings up my libido and my load is much bigger. After starting HCG my load

is like it was when I was 20 now 62.

Phil

winters1jm <Lwwinters6@...> wrote:

S W G

I wonder why this is to because ever since i've been on Androgel my

loads are not very big at all. Like you said, mine used to be very

large and now minimized quite a bit even when i dont have any sexual

activity for 3 or 4 days. Also, it does make your nuts soften up a

bit. Both of these side effects are depressing to me and i'm in the

process of getting some HCG to take along with the Androgel.

Josh

[Guest guest]

I am primary meaning my testis don't work to good. We did try just doing HCG

and I started to crash big time my levels went though the floor. Also we make T

from other glans in the body not just for the testis. Men with testis cancer

that had them cut off were still showing some T in there blood tests. It would

be great if I could just use HCG.

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

if taking HCG makes ur testes work again why do u take TRT? isn't HCG enough

for you? maybe with HCG alone u wouldn't constantly fight with high E2. just a

thought.

philip georgian

wrote: I feel this can happen because your brain sees the Androgel of T in the

blood and does not send the messages to the testis to make more T so they stop

working and get small. Not to worry I was on TRT for 21 yrs. started on HCG and

this acts like the messages and my testis started working again my T levels

doubled and I am primary meaning my testis can't make enough T. I take Maca and

this helps keep my hormones leveled and brings up my libido and my load is much

bigger. After starting HCG my load is like it was when I was 20 now 62.

Phil

winters1jm wrote:

S W G

I wonder why this is to because ever since i've been on Androgel my

loads are not very big at all. Like you said, mine used to be very

large and now minimized quite a bit even when i dont have any sexual

activity for 3 or 4 days. Also, it does make your nuts soften up a

bit. Both of these side effects are depressing to me and i'm in the

process of getting some HCG to take along with the Androgel.

Josh

[Guest guest]

Hey Phil how much HCG do you take a week. I'm gonna try to get my doc

to get me one this as well as the Androgel. If he doesnt want to do

it i'm going elsewhere, i'm still trying to get in touch with DR.

to set something up.

Josh

[Guest guest]

Did you try calling him his number is at his site. www.allthingsmale.com

I take 100 IU's of HCG a day.

Phil

winters1jm <Lwwinters6@...> wrote:

Hey Phil how much HCG do you take a week. I'm gonna try to get my doc

to get me one this as well as the Androgel. If he doesnt want to do

it i'm going elsewhere, i'm still trying to get in touch with DR.

to set something up.

Josh

[Guest guest]

Did you find out why ur T levels are low?

kuulei0924 <kuulei0924@...> wrote: Went to the doc and found out I have

low testosterone -- below the

normal level. The doc prescribed some topical 30 day gel to rub on my

shoulders and arms.

Anyone familiar with this? Cost was $50 for 30 day supply. BCBS

covered the rest. This is expensive stuff. Does anyone know of some

other remedies to up my testosterone level besides meds?

Bob

[Guest guest]

Welcome Bob

The only thing I can tell you is what I know for sure. Back in 1987 I tried

gel for a period of 7 months. Then Dr. put me on patches called Androderm

or Transdermal. One patch every day. That was after they checked my T and

found it was 78 range 300 - 1200. Which is too low as they say I felt like

shit!

The patch finally got me up to around 200. This was still too low for me so

finally they started the T shots. I have been on T now for about 19 years.

It all boils down to what ever gets your level up to where you can feel

normal.

There is no treatment for Hypo that isn't expensive. I don't know of anything

except meds for our problem. Normal is what is good for you.

Keep it simple. You should have all the normal blood test done not just

the T levels but also don't forget the Estraidol check. I am assuming you

are having problems with ED or you wouldn't have gone to the doctor.

Here is what mine endo checked out with me. Most were normal but the

Estradiol which was 59 range 10 - 50 This is too high and was lowering

my T So that is where I stand after 19 years of going through this shit!!!!!!

I now have my Estradiol down to 43 < 77. Still to high, it should be

around 20 or so Phil says, so that is what I am working for. Taking

Arimidex to get the E down lower so that I can have some morning wood!

Goog Luck. If I can help out with anything else please post. Phil

knows more about this than anyone here I think but I know more

now than I did before I joined this group. Always get the results

printed out and take with you, don't be in the dark as I was for so

long!!!! That was my mistake.

CORTISOL - normal

T-4/ THROXINE - normal

ESTRADIOL, S - high

FSH - low

LH - low

PROLACTIN, SERUM - normal

TSH - normal

ACTH - low normal

PSA - .4 normal

God Bless and good luck

Roy

kuulei0924 <kuulei0924@...> wrote:

Went to the doc and found out I have low testosterone -- below the

normal level. The doc prescribed some topical 30 day gel to rub on my

shoulders and arms.

Anyone familiar with this? Cost was $50 for 30 day supply. BCBS

covered the rest. This is expensive stuff. Does anyone know of some

other remedies to up my testosterone level besides meds?

Bob

[Guest guest]

>

> Went to the doc and found out I have low testosterone -- below the

> normal level. The doc prescribed some topical 30 day gel to rub on

my

> shoulders and arms.

>

> Anyone familiar with this? Cost was $50 for 30 day supply. BCBS

> covered the rest. This is expensive stuff. Does anyone know of

some

> other remedies to up my testosterone level besides meds?

>

> Bob

-------------------

Bob, the cheapest way to get testosterone into you is with self

injecting depotestosterone, next cheapest is having a good

compounding pharmacy make up some 5 or 10% gel or cream to rub on.

The most expensive is Androgel or Testim, by far, or maybe surgical T

pellet implentation is also very expensive. I don't know of any way

to raise testosterone levels without supplemental T.

norton

[Guest guest]

Here read these links.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

http://www.lef.org/protocols/prtcls-txt/t-prtcl-130.html

This link has all the different kinds of T med. pay not att. to the FTM in it.

http://web.mit.edu/hudson/www/ttypes.html

Also go to www.allthingsmale.com for the best treatment out. Read TRT: A

Recipe for Success and his HCG Update.

This link is on herbs but if your real low it will not help but is a good

read.

http://www.geocities.com/bill3320/hormones.html

If you need more help post your tests with the units and ranges.

Phil

kuulei0924 <kuulei0924@...> wrote:

Went to the doc and found out I have low testosterone -- below the

normal level. The doc prescribed some topical 30 day gel to rub on my

shoulders and arms.

Anyone familiar with this? Cost was $50 for 30 day supply. BCBS

covered the rest. This is expensive stuff. Does anyone know of some

other remedies to up my testosterone level besides meds?

Bob

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the forum, .

First of all, the conventional wisdom these days seems

to be that testosterone level in and of itself has

little relationship to the ability to obtain or

maintain an erection.

Second, it is also generally believed that

testosterone replacement therapy does not cause

cancer, but WILL accelerate the growth of any prostate

cancer that may already exist or may come into

existence.

For this reason, my physician who prescribes Androgel

also elects to check my prostate every six months,

with DRE and test of PSA.

--- <gpb3@...> wrote:

> Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little

> different problem than

> most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just

> had a ct scan and

> no cancer found). My oncologist used a very

> agressive chemotherapy

> routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve

> damage in my hands and

> feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and

> shrink to about 60%

> of their normal size.

>

> My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel

> and my last test

> it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the

> dose, but I'm afraid

> of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung

> cancer was my secound

> cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So

> you can see I have

> good reason to be worried.

>

> What I would like, is if you could give me your

> opinions on the health

> effects of high doses of testosterone.

>

> I'm more worried about cancer than getting an

> erection.

>

>

test'; " >

[Guest guest]

Welcome , I understand why you would be cautious, with your track record

of cancer, but what was your T level prior to your first renal cancer?

If you do not know, then perhaps you could describe yourself, at that point

in your life, physical condition, were you having nightime erections?

overweight, enlarged breast, big belly, were you interested in sex?

Knowing a T level gives little to no information here for anyone to work

with, as estrogen levels are critical to know before knowledgable

suggestions could be given to help you make a decision.

In my case I do feel bestus, if I keep a thirty to one ratio of T to E, that

is six hundred T, and twenty there abouts estrogen, E2. Again in my case,

I have always had a very athletic body, 190 pounds, six foot. Two years

before I was dxed with leukemia, my body began taking on fat. Six months

after receiving treatment, my T was about a hundred, my estrogen was three

hundred, the problem I have, is not knowing what it may have been before.

In my case, the fat probably indicated an extra load of estrogen, prior to

the dx, my lack of interest in sex those last couple years before being dxed

tells me, my balance was off, probably close to what it was when it was

measured six months later.

Once I got my T and E balanced, close to the thirty to one ratio, my fat

dissappeared, my desire for sex returned.

regards david

Low Testosterone

> Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem than

> most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan and

> no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

> routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands and

> feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to about 60%

> of their normal size.

>

> My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last test

> it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm afraid

> of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my secound

> cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I have

> good reason to be worried.

>

> What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the health

> effects of high doses of testosterone.

>

> I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply .

I don't know what my testosterone level was but until chemo I was in

very good shape, below avg. BMI. I hiked 10 to 20 mile a week. I've

always had a problem with to much sex drive until chemo.

I guess I should have the doc check my estrogen level, I have no idea

of what it is, though I have been adding a little fat even though I'm

really watchting my diet. Also my breast are tender and slighty

swollen.

My doctor say a normall level of testosterone is somewhere between

400 and 1000 for a man my age (62).

>

> Welcome , I understand why you would be cautious, with your

track record

> of cancer, but what was your T level prior to your first renal

cancer?

> If you do not know, then perhaps you could describe yourself, at

that point

> in your life, physical condition, were you having nightime

erections?

> overweight, enlarged breast, big belly, were you interested in sex?

> Knowing a T level gives little to no information here for anyone to

work

> with, as estrogen levels are critical to know before knowledgable

> suggestions could be given to help you make a decision.

>

> In my case I do feel bestus, if I keep a thirty to one ratio of T

to E, that

> is six hundred T, and twenty there abouts estrogen, E2. Again in

my case,

> I have always had a very athletic body, 190 pounds, six foot. Two

years

> before I was dxed with leukemia, my body began taking on fat. Six

months

> after receiving treatment, my T was about a hundred, my estrogen

was three

> hundred, the problem I have, is not knowing what it may have been

before.

> In my case, the fat probably indicated an extra load of estrogen,

prior to

> the dx, my lack of interest in sex those last couple years before

being dxed

> tells me, my balance was off, probably close to what it was when it

was

> measured six months later.

> Once I got my T and E balanced, close to the thirty to one ratio,

my fat

> dissappeared, my desire for sex returned.

> regards david

>

> Low Testosterone

>

>

> > Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem

than

> > most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct

scan and

> > no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

> > routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

and

> > feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to

about 60%

> > of their normal size.

> >

> > My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

test

> > it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

afraid

> > of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my

secound

> > cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I

have

> > good reason to be worried.

> >

> > What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

health

> > effects of high doses of testosterone.

> >

> > I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Tjanks for your note .

Good info, but I have a question. I'm familar with PSA but what is

DRE?

>

> > Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little

> > different problem than

> > most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just

> > had a ct scan and

> > no cancer found). My oncologist used a very

> > agressive chemotherapy

> > routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve

> > damage in my hands and

> > feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and

> > shrink to about 60%

> > of their normal size.

> >

> > My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel

> > and my last test

> > it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the

> > dose, but I'm afraid

> > of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung

> > cancer was my secound

> > cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So

> > you can see I have

> > good reason to be worried.

> >

> > What I would like, is if you could give me your

> > opinions on the health

> > effects of high doses of testosterone.

> >

> > I'm more worried about cancer than getting an

> > erection.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> test'; " >

>

[Guest guest]

This can be complicated. The one thing guys here are concerned about is the

development of prostate cancer because of the relationship of testosterone

replacement therapy and prostate cancer. TRT is a no no for guys with prostate

cancer. I have no idea what the alternatives are but you will need to get it

sorted out in advance. Good luck.

<gpb3@...> wrote: Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a

little different problem than

most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan and

no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands and

feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to about 60%

of their normal size.

My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last test

it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm afraid

of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my secound

cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I have

good reason to be worried.

What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the health

effects of high doses of testosterone.

I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

I had another thought about testosterone levels, in reference to cancer. My

younger brother is under the care of a leading heart docter in the US. That

docter highly recommends, jogging, running to be best for the cardio system,

he goes on to say, it is best to run until we can no longer sing, then walk

until you feel comfortable to sing. then run again.

We also know we men have no way to store testosterone, to increase our T

level, we must exercise in such a way as to cause more blood to flow through

our testicles and remove the available T, then our testicles makes more.

Football, or foosball players, seem to be involved in sexual misconduct on

occasion. Both sports require the participant to instantaneiously run, then

walk a while. ie a fifty yard dash. Which by my logic, would create higher T

levels.

In my opinion it does not take a leap of faith, to understand and

comprehend, the dash is excellant for the heart, and higher testosterone

level, lower estrogen levels, and exercise is said to be great for the

immune system to be at peak.

I am told it is our immune systems job to find and destroy, cell aberations

which can become cancer at a later point.

I cannot disregard, that our bodies evolved over a hundred thousand years,

thats three hundred thousand generations, more or less, and is factual, and

scientifically proveable according to my son, the docktor.

With or without God's intervention, mox nix, anywho for a laymen like myself

to consider, exercise which is good for the heart, immune and hormone

system, to be counter productive and encourage cancer in some direct or

indirect manner. I just cannot get there.

On the other hand, the left, that is, could it be excess estrogen in men,

that is the culprit. I can go there.

I love to pick on my urologists, he came from my old neighborhood, albeit,

he graded med school in ninety one, he believes sex once a month is normal,

I know his wife and not to be disrespectful, once a day, would be normal for

me.

He thought I was attempting to make a joke, when I asked him for lab work

to determine my estrogen level. Goes beserk, when my T levels come in above

five hundred. Demands I allow him to take out my prostrate, as my psa levels

are often in the twenties, as a direct response to being overactive and

preoccupied with girls.

Just my uneducated, but responsible opinion, have a great week, kind regards

david

Low Testosterone

> Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem than

> most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan and

> no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

> routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands and

> feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to about 60%

> of their normal size.

>

> My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last test

> it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm afraid

> of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my secound

> cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I have

> good reason to be worried.

>

> What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the health

> effects of high doses of testosterone.

>

> I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Digital Rectal Exam - more accurate than a PSA.

<gpb3@...> wrote: Tjanks for your note .

Good info, but I have a question. I'm familar with PSA but what is

DRE?

>

> > Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little

> > different problem than

> > most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just

> > had a ct scan and

> > no cancer found). My oncologist used a very

> > agressive chemotherapy

> > routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve

> > damage in my hands and

> > feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and

> > shrink to about 60%

> > of their normal size.

> >

> > My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel

> > and my last test

> > it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the

> > dose, but I'm afraid

> > of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung

> > cancer was my secound

> > cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So

> > you can see I have

> > good reason to be worried.

> >

> > What I would like, is if you could give me your

> > opinions on the health

> > effects of high doses of testosterone.

> >

> > I'm more worried about cancer than getting an

> > erection.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> test'; " >

>

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[Guest guest]

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:09:58 -0000, you wrote:

>Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem than

>most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan and

>no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

>routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands and

>feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to about 60%

>of their normal size.

>

>My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last test

>it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm afraid

>of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my secound

>cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I have

>good reason to be worried.

>

>What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the health

>effects of high doses of testosterone.

>

>I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

I understand your concern. But I think you will find T is essential

for a meaningful life. With low T you get mental fog, lack of energy,

focus and ambition. If your job requires mental focus and attention

and acuity, you may find yourself unable to perform at past levels and

risk losing your job. (Lots of guys here did such before discovering

their low T.)

More importantly you can end up with low bone density. You sound like

an active guy (like me) and the low bone density can really put an end

to that. I discovered my low T when I started cracking ribs. 8 ribs

over 18 months in 4 incidents. the last one snapped from just leaning

over a car seat.

T is essential for a full life. I'd say shoot for moderation, levels

of 500 to 700. Frequent PSA exams. And E2 management.

[Guest guest]

I could like your dock, 400 to 1000 T, my hormones went askew with leukemia

or the chemo, will never know, except I feel blessed, ie silver lining in

every cloud, well that's what Mom said.

I learned of hormone therapy, and it has changed my life for the better.

I try to monitor my breast, and my nightime erections, if I get turned on

when I rub my breast, and my voice gets high, I am high on E, and always

without fail, my night time erections are weak.

I think you are catching on. kind regards david

Low Testosterone

>>

>>

>> > Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem

> than

>> > most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct

> scan and

>> > no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

>> > routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

> and

>> > feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to

> about 60%

>> > of their normal size.

>> >

>> > My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

> test

>> > it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

> afraid

>> > of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my

> secound

>> > cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I

> have

>> > good reason to be worried.

>> >

>> > What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

> health

>> > effects of high doses of testosterone.

>> >

>> > I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

A high PSA level, in my humble opinion, has nothing to do with " being

overactive and preoccupied with girls. " How did you arrive at that

conclusion? Are there medical studies on this?

>

> I love to pick on my urologists, he came from my old neighborhood,

albeit,

> he graded med school in ninety one, he believes sex once a month is

normal,

> I know his wife and not to be disrespectful, once a day, would be

normal for

> me.

> He thought I was attempting to make a joke, when I asked him for

lab work

> to determine my estrogen level. Goes beserk, when my T levels come

in above

> five hundred. Demands I allow him to take out my prostrate, as my

psa levels

> are often in the twenties, as a direct response to being overactive and

> preoccupied with girls.

>

[Guest guest]

I was having a relationship with a lady affected by bordelrine personality

disorder, they are very insecure, she required attention everyday, after

about six months, I had my psa level checked, it was twelve, so my friend

the uro dock, wanted to remove my prostrate immediately. So I hustle my

little butt to the medical library on save my prostrate mission. It took

little time to read that psa is a direct reflection of activity within in

the prostrate, the more activity there, the higher the psa level, the less,

the lower the psa level, ie cancer causes a lot of activity, rapid growth

etc, and I think we can assume that is why the test is done, sex also causes

a lot of activity in the prostrate.

I go to every other day, with my girlfriend, of course my borderline thinks

I don't lover her anymore, she went away, but my psa level was once again

normal after a month. My uro was happy, I was pissed, my love was gone.

best regards david, aka flex

Re: Low Testosterone

>A high PSA level, in my humble opinion, has nothing to do with " being

> overactive and preoccupied with girls. " How did you arrive at that

> conclusion? Are there medical studies on this?

>

>

>>

>

>> I love to pick on my urologists, he came from my old neighborhood,

> albeit,

>> he graded med school in ninety one, he believes sex once a month is

> normal,

>> I know his wife and not to be disrespectful, once a day, would be

> normal for

>> me.

>> He thought I was attempting to make a joke, when I asked him for

> lab work

>> to determine my estrogen level. Goes beserk, when my T levels come

> in above

>> five hundred. Demands I allow him to take out my prostrate, as my

> psa levels

>> are often in the twenties, as a direct response to being overactive and

>> preoccupied with girls.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info retrogrouch. Sorry to be so new to this that I

don't understand all this stuff like DRE (and thanks to for

that info).

My PSA is slightly above my normal level before Chemo.

You mention manageing my E2 levels, may I ask how I do that?

By the way I wouldn't mind getting turned on if I played with my

breast, I'd just like to get turned on again.

>

> >Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem

than

> >most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan

and

> >no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

> >routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

and

> >feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to

about 60%

> >of their normal size.

> >

> >My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

test

> >it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

afraid

> >of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my

secound

> >cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I

have

> >good reason to be worried.

> >

> >What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

health

> >effects of high doses of testosterone.

> >

> >I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

>

>

> I understand your concern. But I think you will find T is essential

> for a meaningful life. With low T you get mental fog, lack of

energy,

> focus and ambition. If your job requires mental focus and attention

> and acuity, you may find yourself unable to perform at past levels

and

> risk losing your job. (Lots of guys here did such before discovering

> their low T.)

>

> More importantly you can end up with low bone density. You sound

like

> an active guy (like me) and the low bone density can really put an

end

> to that. I discovered my low T when I started cracking ribs. 8 ribs

> over 18 months in 4 incidents. the last one snapped from just

leaning

> over a car seat.

>

> T is essential for a full life. I'd say shoot for moderation, levels

> of 500 to 700. Frequent PSA exams. And E2 management.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi you can use Indoplex/DIM to get E2 down it's sold OTC or get your Dr. to

give you Arimidex.

Here is a good link to read about low testosterone and high Estradiol " E2 " .

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Here is a link to the Indolplex/DIM if you try DIM get this brand the others

did not work for me.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

We are all short on Zinc so get on this.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

If you try Indolplex/DIM take only one tablet at dinner time if you do more

you can go down so fast your miss the Zone. The Zone is night time and morning

wood so strong it wakes you up. This is one of the big reasions most men have

ED and a low libido.

So you should get wood in less then 2 weeks keep taking the tablet but if the

wood stops your going down to low. So stop the tablet until wood comes back

then that day go back on the Indolplex/DIM but cut the tablet in half.

If your trying Arimidex take the 1mg. pill and cut it into 4 parts take one

part .25mgs every 3 days and if you go to low same as above but cut back to

every 5 days.

<gpb3@...> wrote:

Thanks for the info retrogrouch. Sorry to be so new to this that I

don't understand all this stuff like DRE (and thanks to for

that info).

My PSA is slightly above my normal level before Chemo.

You mention manageing my E2 levels, may I ask how I do that?

By the way I wouldn't mind getting turned on if I played with my

breast, I'd just like to get turned on again.

>

> >Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem

than

> >most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan

and

> >no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

> >routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

and

> >feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to

about 60%

> >of their normal size.

> >

> >My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

test

> >it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

afraid

> >of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my

secound

> >cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I

have

> >good reason to be worried.

> >

> >What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

health

> >effects of high doses of testosterone.

> >

> >I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

>

>

> I understand your concern. But I think you will find T is essential

> for a meaningful life. With low T you get mental fog, lack of

energy,

> focus and ambition. If your job requires mental focus and attention

> and acuity, you may find yourself unable to perform at past levels

and

> risk losing your job. (Lots of guys here did such before discovering

> their low T.)

>

> More importantly you can end up with low bone density. You sound

like

> an active guy (like me) and the low bone density can really put an

end

> to that. I discovered my low T when I started cracking ribs. 8 ribs

> over 18 months in 4 incidents. the last one snapped from just

leaning

> over a car seat.

>

> T is essential for a full life. I'd say shoot for moderation, levels

> of 500 to 700. Frequent PSA exams. And E2 management.

>

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

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[Guest guest]

I take the Indoplex (thanx Phil) as well as my wife (she's 50). We use it to

metabolize estrogens, especially the bad estrogens. There's an enzyme in your

body called Aromatase. Aromatase takes Testosterone and converts it into

Estrogen.

Estrogen breaks down into E2 (Estradiol) and even further. This is the bad

Estrogen that competes for Testosterone cell receptor sites throughout the body,

brain, hypothalamus, etc. That's why some men feel like they've been run over by

a large automobile.

Arimidex is what's known as an Aromatase inhibitor. It prevents this Aromatase

from converting the T to E but from what I hear in the forum using it requires a

little dialing in. Instead of Arimidex I take 1 50 mg tablet of Zinc. I follow

that up with a 2 mg tablet of copper to replace the metals the Zinc may remove

from my body.

You'll get good data here but keep up your research.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Hi you can use Indoplex/DIM to get E2 down it's sold OTC or get

your Dr. to give you Arimidex.

Here is a good link to read about low testosterone and high Estradiol " E2 " .

http://www.griffinmedical.com/male_hormone_modulation_therapy.html

Here is a link to the Indolplex/DIM if you try DIM get this brand the others did

not work for me.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

We are all short on Zinc so get on this.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

If you try Indolplex/DIM take only one tablet at dinner time if you do more you

can go down so fast your miss the Zone. The Zone is night time and morning wood

so strong it wakes you up. This is one of the big reasions most men have ED and

a low libido.

So you should get wood in less then 2 weeks keep taking the tablet but if the

wood stops your going down to low. So stop the tablet until wood comes back then

that day go back on the Indolplex/DIM but cut the tablet in half.

If your trying Arimidex take the 1mg. pill and cut it into 4 parts take one part

..25mgs every 3 days and if you go to low same as above but cut back to every 5

days.

<gpb3@...> wrote:

Thanks for the info retrogrouch. Sorry to be so new to this that I

don't understand all this stuff like DRE (and thanks to for

that info).

My PSA is slightly above my normal level before Chemo.

You mention manageing my E2 levels, may I ask how I do that?

By the way I wouldn't mind getting turned on if I played with my

breast, I'd just like to get turned on again.

>

> >Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem

than

> >most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan

and

> >no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

> >routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

and

> >feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to

about 60%

> >of their normal size.

> >

> >My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

test

> >it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

afraid

> >of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my

secound

> >cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I

have

> >good reason to be worried.

> >

> >What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

health

> >effects of high doses of testosterone.

> >

> >I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

>

>

> I understand your concern. But I think you will find T is essential

> for a meaningful life. With low T you get mental fog, lack of

energy,

> focus and ambition. If your job requires mental focus and attention

> and acuity, you may find yourself unable to perform at past levels

and

> risk losing your job. (Lots of guys here did such before discovering

> their low T.)

>

> More importantly you can end up with low bone density. You sound

like

> an active guy (like me) and the low bone density can really put an

end

> to that. I discovered my low T when I started cracking ribs. 8 ribs

> over 18 months in 4 incidents. the last one snapped from just

leaning

> over a car seat.

>

> T is essential for a full life. I'd say shoot for moderation, levels

> of 500 to 700. Frequent PSA exams. And E2 management.

>

Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. "

Phil

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