Re: Low testosterone

[Guest guest]

Hi PSA indicates high antibodies targeted at the prostate. It means

something is going on besides high libido.

Dr Mirkin suggests that high PSA should first be treated with long

term (several months) of antibiotics, as prostate infection, difficult

to diagnose, can cause high PSA as well as the dreaded cancer issue.

On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:55 AM, *** wrote:

> A high PSA level, in my humble opinion, has nothing to do with " being

> overactive and preoccupied with girls. " How did you arrive at that

> conclusion? Are there medical studies on this?

>

>

>>

>

>> I love to pick on my urologists, he came from my old neighborhood,

> albeit,

>> he graded med school in ninety one, he believes sex once a month is

> normal,

>> I know his wife and not to be disrespectful, once a day, would be

> normal for

>> me.

>> He thought I was attempting to make a joke, when I asked him for

> lab work

>> to determine my estrogen level. Goes beserk, when my T levels come

> in above

>> five hundred. Demands I allow him to take out my prostrate, as my

> psa levels

>> are often in the twenties, as a direct response to being overactive

>> and

>> preoccupied with girls.

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was sexually active (orgasim/ejacualte) 4-7 times per day when my E2

and T were at very odd levels a few years ago. Never was my PSA even

above 4 at that time. I think your thesis about PSA indicating any

activity in the prostate is flawed and unsupported by medical

research. Can you cite some studies?

On Dec 4, 2007, at 7:20 AM, appreciative dAVId wrote:

> I was having a relationship with a lady affected by bordelrine

> personality

> disorder, they are very insecure, she required attention everyday,

> after

> about six months, I had my psa level checked, it was twelve, so my

> friend

> the uro dock, wanted to remove my prostrate immediately. So I

> hustle my

> little butt to the medical library on save my prostrate mission. It

> took

> little time to read that psa is a direct reflection of activity

> within in

> the prostrate, the more activity there, the higher the psa level,

> the less,

> the lower the psa level, ie cancer causes a lot of activity, rapid

> growth

> etc, and I think we can assume that is why the test is done, sex

> also causes

> a lot of activity in the prostrate.

> I go to every other day, with my girlfriend, of course my borderline

> thinks

> I don't lover her anymore, she went away, but my psa level was once

> again

> normal after a month. My uro was happy, I was pissed, my love was

> gone.

> best regards david, aka flex

>

>

> Re: Low Testosterone

>

>

>> A high PSA level, in my humble opinion, has nothing to do with " being

>> overactive and preoccupied with girls. " How did you arrive at that

>> conclusion? Are there medical studies on this?

>>

>>

>>>

>>

>>> I love to pick on my urologists, he came from my old neighborhood,

>> albeit,

>>> he graded med school in ninety one, he believes sex once a month is

>> normal,

>>> I know his wife and not to be disrespectful, once a day, would be

>> normal for

>>> me.

>>> He thought I was attempting to make a joke, when I asked him for

>> lab work

>>> to determine my estrogen level. Goes beserk, when my T levels come

>> in above

>>> five hundred. Demands I allow him to take out my prostrate, as my

>> psa levels

>>> are often in the twenties, as a direct response to being

>>> overactive and

>>> preoccupied with girls.

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:57:58 -0800, you wrote:

>I was sexually active (orgasim/ejacualte) 4-7 times per day when my E2

>and T were at very odd levels a few years ago. Never was my PSA even

>above 4 at that time. I think your thesis about PSA indicating any

>activity in the prostate is flawed and unsupported by medical

>research. Can you cite some studies?

I'm beginning to think you two are talking in different units of

measure.

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:42:52 -0000, you wrote:

>Thanks for the info retrogrouch. Sorry to be so new to this that I

>don't understand all this stuff like DRE (and thanks to for

>that info).

>

>My PSA is slightly above my normal level before Chemo.

>

>You mention manageing my E2 levels, may I ask how I do that?

>

>By the way I wouldn't mind getting turned on if I played with my

>breast, I'd just like to get turned on again.

>

>

If you've read much here you know that T converts to E2 thru an enzyme

in fat called aromotase.

Older men, especially heavier ones convert more T to E2. E2 is being

discovered to play havoc with the prostate.

Many of us manage E2 conversion by taking a prescription medicine

called arimidex or anastrazole. It attaches to the enzyme and prevents

conversion. I find when I lower my E2 my urine stream flows easily.

When it's high my prostate swells.

Most of us who take T shots or gels need to keep an eye on the E2.

When it climbs it can rob you of most of the benefit of the T. It

actually out competes T for many sites in the body.

It's crucial to keep it down. High T, low normal E2 makes for great

libido, and erections for most of us.

>

>

>>

>> >Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem

>than

>> >most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan

>and

>> >no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

>> >routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

>and

>> >feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to

>about 60%

>> >of their normal size.

>> >

>> >My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

>test

>> >it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

>afraid

>> >of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my

>secound

>> >cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I

>have

>> >good reason to be worried.

>> >

>> >What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

>health

>> >effects of high doses of testosterone.

>> >

>> >I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

>>

>>

>> I understand your concern. But I think you will find T is essential

>> for a meaningful life. With low T you get mental fog, lack of

>energy,

>> focus and ambition. If your job requires mental focus and attention

>> and acuity, you may find yourself unable to perform at past levels

>and

>> risk losing your job. (Lots of guys here did such before discovering

>> their low T.)

>>

>> More importantly you can end up with low bone density. You sound

>like

>> an active guy (like me) and the low bone density can really put an

>end

>> to that. I discovered my low T when I started cracking ribs. 8 ribs

>> over 18 months in 4 incidents. the last one snapped from just

>leaning

>> over a car seat.

>>

>> T is essential for a full life. I'd say shoot for moderation, levels

>> of 500 to 700. Frequent PSA exams. And E2 management.

>>

>

[Guest guest]

I will put some effort into understanding PSA levels, I would like to

understand for myself, and peace of mind. I do often have prostrate

infections, but until tomorrow. regards david, aka flex

Re: Low Testosterone

>>

>>

>>> A high PSA level, in my humble opinion, has nothing to do with " being

>>> overactive and preoccupied with girls. " How did you arrive at that

>>> conclusion? Are there medical studies on this?

>>>

>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>> I love to pick on my urologists, he came from my old neighborhood,

>>> albeit,

>>>> he graded med school in ninety one, he believes sex once a month is

>>> normal,

>>>> I know his wife and not to be disrespectful, once a day, would be

>>> normal for

>>>> me.

>>>> He thought I was attempting to make a joke, when I asked him for

>>> lab work

>>>> to determine my estrogen level. Goes beserk, when my T levels come

>>> in above

>>>> five hundred. Demands I allow him to take out my prostrate, as my

>>> psa levels

>>>> are often in the twenties, as a direct response to being

>>>> overactive and

>>>> preoccupied with girls.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Hey - welcome to the group.

My non-medical opinion is that T seems to be a healing compound. It is

essential for building tissue and maintianing several biochemical processes in

men. I think it would be prudent to get your T in the 600-800 range but it is

also mandatory that you control your estradiol (E2) using arimidex. Along with

this frequent checks of the prostate. Prostate cancer is typically slow growing

compared to your other cancers so if you monitor it correctly it can be

addressed early. In the not to distanct history, the medical opinion was that T

caused prostate cancer. More recent studies would suggest that it will increase

the growth if you already have it but will not initiate it. Your current levels

are too low to do any good.

Good Luck and keep us posted. Arkansas

<gpb3@...> wrote:

Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem than

most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan and

no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands and

feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to about 60%

of their normal size.

My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last test

it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm afraid

of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my secound

cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I have

good reason to be worried.

What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the health

effects of high doses of testosterone.

I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

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[Guest guest]

You can probably find lots of info. on PSA at:

ProstateCancerSupport/

Bruce

>

> I will put some effort into understanding PSA levels, I would like to

> understand for myself, and peace of mind. I do often have prostrate

> infections, but until tomorrow. regards david, aka flex

> Re: Low Testosterone

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem

than

> most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan

and

> no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

> routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

and

> feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to about

60%

> of their normal size.

>

> My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

test

> it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

afraid

> of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my secound

> cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I have

> good reason to be worried.

>

> What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

health

> effects of high doses of testosterone.

>

> I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

>

I'll suggest you need to increase your T levels.

Otherwise, your bones are going to keep weakening.

And if I were you I'd consider taking a high

dose of both vitamin K2 and D3. Recall a

broken hip can kill just as well as a

cancer. D3 has merits both for cancer prevention and

bone health.

I'll also suggest that closely spaced T shots

are the better modality as you want

to keep your estradiol levels undercontrol.

Gels it is claimed don't do the best job

on this point.

130 per ??? ng/dL I assume??

If that is the measure you are still very very low.

You need to have your estrogen level monitored as

T levels raised by whatever means.

Also some Doc use both T and a drug that blocks

the formation of DHT, this might work in case you still have

any prostate derived cells hanging around?

[Guest guest]

Hey thanks Philip for the great links. I now know what test to

take, thanks to you and the others on this forum, so I'm trying to

get an appointment with my doctor and get all those test done. Then

I'll know if I have a problem and if so what we can do about it.

Well of course I do have a problem, I'm still losing muscule mass and

I still can get, as you put it, wood.

Thanks again for the info.

> >

> > >Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem

> than

> > >most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct

scan

> and

> > >no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive

chemotherapy

> > >routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

> and

> > >feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to

> about 60%

> > >of their normal size.

> > >

> > >My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

> test

> > >it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

> afraid

> > >of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my

> secound

> > >cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I

> have

> > >good reason to be worried.

> > >

> > >What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

> health

> > >effects of high doses of testosterone.

> > >

> > >I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

> >

> >

> > I understand your concern. But I think you will find T is

essential

> > for a meaningful life. With low T you get mental fog, lack of

> energy,

> > focus and ambition. If your job requires mental focus and

attention

> > and acuity, you may find yourself unable to perform at past

levels

> and

> > risk losing your job. (Lots of guys here did such before

discovering

> > their low T.)

> >

> > More importantly you can end up with low bone density. You sound

> like

> > an active guy (like me) and the low bone density can really put

an

> end

> > to that. I discovered my low T when I started cracking ribs. 8

ribs

> > over 18 months in 4 incidents. the last one snapped from just

> leaning

> > over a car seat.

> >

> > T is essential for a full life. I'd say shoot for moderation,

levels

> > of 500 to 700. Frequent PSA exams. And E2 management.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the information. I just need to get these blood

test so I can figure out what's going on.

> >

> > >Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem

> than

> > >most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct

scan

> and

> > >no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive

chemotherapy

> > >routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

> and

> > >feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to

> about 60%

> > >of their normal size.

> > >

> > >My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

> test

> > >it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

> afraid

> > >of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my

> secound

> > >cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I

> have

> > >good reason to be worried.

> > >

> > >What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

> health

> > >effects of high doses of testosterone.

> > >

> > >I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

> >

> >

> > I understand your concern. But I think you will find T is

essential

> > for a meaningful life. With low T you get mental fog, lack of

> energy,

> > focus and ambition. If your job requires mental focus and

attention

> > and acuity, you may find yourself unable to perform at past

levels

> and

> > risk losing your job. (Lots of guys here did such before

discovering

> > their low T.)

> >

> > More importantly you can end up with low bone density. You sound

> like

> > an active guy (like me) and the low bone density can really put

an

> end

> > to that. I discovered my low T when I started cracking ribs. 8

ribs

> > over 18 months in 4 incidents. the last one snapped from just

> leaning

> > over a car seat.

> >

> > T is essential for a full life. I'd say shoot for moderation,

levels

> > of 500 to 700. Frequent PSA exams. And E2 management.

> >

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan, thank you for the good information. You and the others have

been great. I'm so much better prepared having joined this group.

> Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different

problem than

> most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct scan

and

> no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive chemotherapy

> routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

and

> feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to about

60%

> of their normal size.

>

> My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

test

> it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

afraid

> of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my

secound

> cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I

have

> good reason to be worried.

>

> What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

health

> effects of high doses of testosterone.

>

> I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your welcome stay with us and get better.

<gpb3@...> wrote: Hey thanks Philip for the great links. I now

know what test to

take, thanks to you and the others on this forum, so I'm trying to

get an appointment with my doctor and get all those test done. Then

I'll know if I have a problem and if so what we can do about it.

Well of course I do have a problem, I'm still losing muscule mass and

I still can get, as you put it, wood.

Thanks again for the info.

> >

> > >Hello, I'm new to this forum. I have a little different problem

> than

> > >most. I'm 62 years old and I had lung cancer, (just had a ct

scan

> and

> > >no cancer found). My oncologist used a very agressive

chemotherapy

> > >routine. This high level of chemo cause nerve damage in my hands

> and

> > >feet and cause my testicles to stop functioning and shrink to

> about 60%

> > >of their normal size.

> > >

> > >My testosterone level dropped to 40. I'm on TRT gel and my last

> test

> > >it was up to 130. My doctor wants to double the dose, but I'm

> afraid

> > >of the potential of prostate cancer, this lung cancer was my

> secound

> > >cancer in two years, I had renal cancer first. So you can see I

> have

> > >good reason to be worried.

> > >

> > >What I would like, is if you could give me your opinions on the

> health

> > >effects of high doses of testosterone.

> > >

> > >I'm more worried about cancer than getting an erection.

> >

> >

> > I understand your concern. But I think you will find T is

essential

> > for a meaningful life. With low T you get mental fog, lack of

> energy,

> > focus and ambition. If your job requires mental focus and

attention

> > and acuity, you may find yourself unable to perform at past

levels

> and

> > risk losing your job. (Lots of guys here did such before

discovering

> > their low T.)

> >

> > More importantly you can end up with low bone density. You sound

> like

> > an active guy (like me) and the low bone density can really put

an

> end

> > to that. I discovered my low T when I started cracking ribs. 8

ribs

> > over 18 months in 4 incidents. the last one snapped from just

> leaning

> > over a car seat.

> >

> > T is essential for a full life. I'd say shoot for moderation,

levels

> > of 500 to 700. Frequent PSA exams. And E2 management.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Co-Moderator " Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what

you see. "

> Phil

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Your frequent prostate infections fits in PERFECTLY with what I quoted

earlier from Dr Mirkin (www.drmirkin.com) - he says high PSA is

usually a sign of prostate infection, and not prostate cancer. He

says a good doctor will do a DRE and obtain a semen sample and

immediately put it under a microscope to see if he can detect white

blood cells as an indication of infection. He says that even if the

white blood cells aren't present, infection is still the likely cause

of elevated PSA and that in most men it is a better course of action

to proceed with treatment for infection and retest after long term

antibiotics before assuming prostate cancer.

Part of his thesis is that prostate cancer is a 20-30 year disease and

that the current treatments and side affects are worse than the

disease (reaming, prostate removal, etc, which lead to incontinence

and impotence). His thesis is that since it will take 20 years for

the cancer to kill you (most cases), you can afford to try six months

of conservative treatement with antibiotics before screwing up your

sex life with prostate surgery.

On Dec 4, 2007, at 9:54 PM, appreciative dAVId wrote:

> I will put some effort into understanding PSA levels, I would like to

> understand for myself, and peace of mind. I do often have prostrate

> infections, but until tomorrow. regards david, aka flex

> Re: Low Testosterone

>>>

>>>

>>>> A high PSA level, in my humble opinion, has nothing to do with

>>>> " being

>>>> overactive and preoccupied with girls. " How did you arrive at that

>>>> conclusion? Are there medical studies on this?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> I love to pick on my urologists, he came from my old neighborhood,

>>>> albeit,

>>>>> he graded med school in ninety one, he believes sex once a month

>>>>> is

>>>> normal,

>>>>> I know his wife and not to be disrespectful, once a day, would be

>>>> normal for

>>>>> me.

>>>>> He thought I was attempting to make a joke, when I asked him for

>>>> lab work

>>>>> to determine my estrogen level. Goes beserk, when my T levels

>>>>> come

>>>> in above

>>>>> five hundred. Demands I allow him to take out my prostrate, as my

>>>> psa levels

>>>>> are often in the twenties, as a direct response to being

>>>>> overactive and

>>>>> preoccupied with girls.

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

[Guest guest]

If you got a Dr. to give you Androgel your at a good start. But when most men

start on androgel they need to retest in 2 weeks. Your levels are very low and

on a starting dose of androgel 5 grams may not be enough. What can happen is

you can end up lower then you started. Your brain sees the T in your blood and

stops sending the LH and FSH message to your testis to make more T. In your

case your brain will stop making the less then 200 you started at and 5grams of

gel might just keep you were you were. Get tested and if your levels have not

gone up up the dose to 10 grams. Also have many labs done one you must have is

Estradiol if this is high you need to keep it down.

Bottom line is you need your Total and Free T levels up into the upper 1/3 or

your labs range for a young man. And you need to keep your Estradiol down

between 10 to 30 best at 20 pg/ml. If your Estradiol is to high it takes away

all the good the androgel is trying to do and it will keep you down with no sex

life.

If you go to Dr. 's site and read TRT: A Recipe for Success and read his HCG

update. You will find the best way to test and treat this Dr. puts this on

his site free for you and your Dr.

www.allthingsmale.com

If you still feel you need a better Dr. try to find a DO Dr. go to the files

section at the home page on the left side and find the file " Finding A New Male

Hormone Dr. " or do like most men do drive to see Dr. in MI. some even fly

out to see him. He only needs to see you once then he can test and treat you by

Email. Men do this because he is one of the best.

At this link Dr. no is also one of the best but he is in CA. men fly out to

see him also. He is a Dr. of Psychiatry who believes most problems people have

are due to bad Hormones.

http://definitivepsychiatry.com/services/services.html

Other wise you need to read the Files section on finding a new Dr. and hope for

the best. It's not easy.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: joe <jadonahuejr@...>

> Subject: low testosterone

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 5:20 PM

> can anyone recommend a doctor in dC or Va area to treat low

> T.

> Initially was tested at below 200 and started on androgel.

> Does not

> seem to have much effect on libido and erection quality.

> Any input is

> appreciated. Thanks

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> My 10yo son has low testosterone.

>

> He is taking 0.5mg per day of Risperdal.

>

> He is also taking 25mg per day of Spironolactone.

Spironolactone lowers testosterone.

>

> Is there any relationship between low testosterone and low doses of Risperdal

and Spironolactone?

>

> Any other thoughts about WHY he has low testosterone?

10 year olds tend to have very low levels. Check that you have a pediatric

boy's range on the lab report, and check that the lab's detection limit is

sensitive enough they can measure results within that range.

>

> Thanks!

>

>

Andy

www.noamalgam.com

www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

[Guest guest]

my daughter was on zyprexa which is similar to risperdal, and i know it can

change hormones.

kathy

[ ] Re: Low Testosterone

>

>>

>> My 10yo son has low testosterone.

>>

>> He is taking 0.5mg per day of Risperdal.

>>

>> He is also taking 25mg per day of Spironolactone.

>

> Spironolactone lowers testosterone.

>>

>> Is there any relationship between low testosterone and low doses of

>> Risperdal and Spironolactone?

>>

>> Any other thoughts about WHY he has low testosterone?

>

> 10 year olds tend to have very low levels. Check that you have a

> pediatric boy's range on the lab report, and check that the lab's

> detection limit is sensitive enough they can measure results within that

> range.

>>

>> Thanks!

>>

>>

> Andy

>

> www.noamalgam.com

>

> www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi PH,

Yes, I am doing much better, thank you, and in fact, I attribute it to getting

back on regular dosing of all of my hormones!

I am taking testosterone (along with estrogen, progesterone, thyroid, and very

very small doses of cortef). I have a testosterone cream that is specifically

made for women, purchased from Australia.

I definitely noticed more energy when taking all together.

I hope this is your answer too! It surely sounds like it is a big piece of the

puzzle if you are very low in it. We just need these hormones to function well,

that's a fact.

What method of delivery did your doctor prescribe? K. Simpson wrote in her book

that transdermal is best, so that the hormones don't have to be filtered through

the digestive system first. I think that sounds reasonable.

I'm sure you will let us know how it works for you!

I'll be waiting to hear!

Hugs,

Patty

>

> Hi Patty,

>

> My saliva and blood tests reflect very low testosterone. My doc has

prescribed a very low dose along w/ DHEA. Just wondering if you ever took

testosterone? When I looked up the symptoms it fits me to a T with the brain

fog, spaciness, fatigue, loss of muscle tone, lack of motivation, low sex drive.

I'm praying this is my answer!!

>

> Hope you are doing better.

> PH

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi Patty,

> >

> > My saliva and blood tests reflect very low testosterone. My doc has

prescribed a very low dose along w/ DHEA. Just wondering if you ever took

testosterone? When I looked up the symptoms it fits me to a T with the brain

fog, spaciness, fatigue, loss of muscle tone, lack of motivation, low sex drive.

I'm praying this is my answer!!

> >

> > Hope you are doing better.

> > PH

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty,

I'm taking testosterone as a cream transdermally. I start tomorrow! My doc

accidentally prescribed my progesterone, testosterone and DHEA all in one cream.

It's ok during day 14-28 but after that she'll separate the progesterone out so

that I only take it on day 14-28 instead of all month long.

Would you advise separating the DHEA and testosterone as well or just keep them

together? I see pros and cons to both.

Just curious how much testosterone you're taking? I'm on 1 mg. She wants to

keep it low since the DHEA and progesterone can help increase testosterone as

well. Oh, I cannot wait to feel " normal " !!!

Just curious if you have a doc or are doing this yourself? Are you basing it on

saliva tests or purely symptoms?

Glad you are feeling so much better!!

~PH

> >

> > Hi Patty,

> >

> > My saliva and blood tests reflect very low testosterone. My doc has

prescribed a very low dose along w/ DHEA. Just wondering if you ever took

testosterone? When I looked up the symptoms it fits me to a T with the brain

fog, spaciness, fatigue, loss of muscle tone, lack of motivation, low sex drive.

I'm praying this is my answer!!

> >

> > Hope you are doing better.

> > PH

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You might be right.

But my testosterone level didnt fall til the Endo's started weening me off of my

T3 and T4 meds. So I still Wonder.

Sendt fra min iPhone

Den 4. okt. 2010 kl. 22.53 skrev philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>:

I don't think so you did good back some yrs ago and I think this is when your

pituitary was working better.

Co-Moderator

Phil

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> > From: <gibcast@...>

> > Subject: Low Testosterone

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> > Date: Monday, October 4, 2010, 2:51 PM

> > My testo was low in my teens.

> >

> > It more than doubled on T4 in my early 20s.

> >

> > IF I indeed have secondary hypopituitarism, is it

> possible

> > that testo increases at all - like it did when I was

> taking

> > T4?

> >

> >

> >

> > Sendt fra min iPhone

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