Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Thanks Poncho and all others who gave me feedback on the morphine issue. I am not taking it daily as he recommended but I am taking it when it gets too difficult to deal with. I'm just too nervous. I know the idea is to keep on top of the pain and not have to play catch up with it but I feel that some pain can be tolerated. My other concern is that he did not want to give me anything for the lesser pain days. He said T3's would make things worse because of the codeine but id does seem that some of you can tolerate codeine alright? Or am I wrong in this?? I'm not sure what else is safe to use. What about ibuprophen and stuff like that?? I'm not talking severe pain, I'm talking the inbetween pain. Today I'm starting on MSM and enzymes so I'm really hoping this is going to be of help too. Thanks so much to everyone for the input!! Hugs and may you all feel just a bit better today....Tummy (from Poncho) .....I felt I went through a little withdrawal symptoms. .... maybe the aspect that is the most important is that > if you want to really get better then you can learn to live with a little > temporary pain in order to achieve a higher goal of recovery. I certainly am > for the proper use of narcotics, and I currently use narcotics with > regularity as needed now, they most certainly have a fine medical use. But > one must be careful to use them in a timely, purposeful, manner for medical > purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 There is nothing wrong with tolerating some pain. We all do that. I don't know anyone who doesn't have to put up with some pain. The trick is not to let it get away from you, so that your meds will not be able to get it under control. All of us learn as we go along. Hang in there - you're doing the right things! Jerry *********************************** Re: Pain relief concerns > I know the idea is to keep on top of the pain and not have to play catch up > with it but I feel that some pain can be tolerated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 There is nothing wrong with tolerating some pain. We all do that. I don't know anyone who doesn't have to put up with some pain. The trick is not to let it get away from you, so that your meds will not be able to get it under control. All of us learn as we go along. Hang in there - you're doing the right things! Jerry *********************************** Re: Pain relief concerns > I know the idea is to keep on top of the pain and not have to play catch up > with it but I feel that some pain can be tolerated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Tummy, what your doctor told you is correct. Lots of studies have been done on the subject of addiction and what they've found out is that only people who take the medicine who don't have any pain become addicted. So, if you are taking it to stop your pain, you should be fine. I had the exact same concern when i started taking my pain medication and I got the same response. Kimber -- Kimber hominid2@... Southwest Representative Pancreatitis Association, International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Tummy, what your doctor told you is correct. Lots of studies have been done on the subject of addiction and what they've found out is that only people who take the medicine who don't have any pain become addicted. So, if you are taking it to stop your pain, you should be fine. I had the exact same concern when i started taking my pain medication and I got the same response. Kimber -- Kimber hominid2@... Southwest Representative Pancreatitis Association, International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 , that sounds like a good home care nurse. Can you clone her? I'm sure there are many others who could use one like that! Kimber -- Kimber hominid2@... Southwest Representative Pancreatitis Association, International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 , that sounds like a good home care nurse. Can you clone her? I'm sure there are many others who could use one like that! Kimber -- Kimber hominid2@... Southwest Representative Pancreatitis Association, International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 , that sounds like a good home care nurse. Can you clone her? I'm sure there are many others who could use one like that! Kimber -- Kimber hominid2@... Southwest Representative Pancreatitis Association, International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Poncho, right you are, you do have to stay ahead of that pain. My pain management class often repeated the fact that if you get the pain early, you take less medication. Otherwise, you are just chasing the pain. I often wish I could get this group and have them all do a class for all of us, but I can't ship you all out here and it takes a 3 month wait to get into the class.They use a multidisciplinary team with a psychologist, physician and physical therapist. I just had my last class last week and I'm going to miss all the people. Also, would you believe I met a person there who survived pancreatic cancer, like you? I gave her my card for the group if she ever wants to talk to people who deal with chronric pancreas problems. Kimber -- Kimber hominid2@... Southwest Representative Pancreatitis Association, International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Poncho, right you are, you do have to stay ahead of that pain. My pain management class often repeated the fact that if you get the pain early, you take less medication. Otherwise, you are just chasing the pain. I often wish I could get this group and have them all do a class for all of us, but I can't ship you all out here and it takes a 3 month wait to get into the class.They use a multidisciplinary team with a psychologist, physician and physical therapist. I just had my last class last week and I'm going to miss all the people. Also, would you believe I met a person there who survived pancreatic cancer, like you? I gave her my card for the group if she ever wants to talk to people who deal with chronric pancreas problems. Kimber -- Kimber hominid2@... Southwest Representative Pancreatitis Association, International Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 Hi This is my theory. Your body gets use to having it in the system. If you took asprin every day or had coffee every day your body would miss having it if you suddenly stopped. Does this make sense?? So if the doctors call this an addiction then maybe it is.......just not in the sense that most people associate that word " Adiction " . There should be another word for it........like " Accustom " .........Pam ga hhessgriffeth hhessgriffeth@...> wrote: He > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever become > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will become > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts about > this. Tummy, I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. With hope and prayers, Heidi Heidi H. Griffeth - SC hhessgriffeth@... Southeastern Representative Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 Hi This is my theory. Your body gets use to having it in the system. If you took asprin every day or had coffee every day your body would miss having it if you suddenly stopped. Does this make sense?? So if the doctors call this an addiction then maybe it is.......just not in the sense that most people associate that word " Adiction " . There should be another word for it........like " Accustom " .........Pam ga hhessgriffeth hhessgriffeth@...> wrote: He > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever become > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will become > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts about > this. Tummy, I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. With hope and prayers, Heidi Heidi H. Griffeth - SC hhessgriffeth@... Southeastern Representative Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 Hi This is my theory. Your body gets use to having it in the system. If you took asprin every day or had coffee every day your body would miss having it if you suddenly stopped. Does this make sense?? So if the doctors call this an addiction then maybe it is.......just not in the sense that most people associate that word " Adiction " . There should be another word for it........like " Accustom " .........Pam ga hhessgriffeth hhessgriffeth@...> wrote: He > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever become > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will become > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts about > this. Tummy, I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. With hope and prayers, Heidi Heidi H. Griffeth - SC hhessgriffeth@... Southeastern Representative Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 Hi This is my theory. Your body gets use to having it in the system. If you took asprin every day or had coffee every day your body would miss having it if you suddenly stopped. Does this make sense?? So if the doctors call this an addiction then maybe it is.......just not in the sense that most people associate that word " Adiction " . There should be another word for it........like " Accustom " .........Pam ga hhessgriffeth hhessgriffeth@...> wrote: He > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever become > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will become > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts about > this. Tummy, I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. With hope and prayers, Heidi Heidi H. Griffeth - SC hhessgriffeth@... Southeastern Representative Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 There is another word for it, Pam. It's called dependence. Any doctor who calls a chronic pain patient " addicted " rather than " dependent " has the IQ of a fencepost. Jerry/NC ************************************* Re: Re: Pain relief concerns > So if the doctors call this an addiction then maybe it is.......just not in the sense that most people associate that word " Adiction " . There should be another word for it........like " Accustom " .........Pam ga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 There is another word for it, Pam. It's called dependence. Any doctor who calls a chronic pain patient " addicted " rather than " dependent " has the IQ of a fencepost. Jerry/NC ************************************* Re: Re: Pain relief concerns > So if the doctors call this an addiction then maybe it is.......just not in the sense that most people associate that word " Adiction " . There should be another word for it........like " Accustom " .........Pam ga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 hahahahahaha.....and you know those fence post Dr. are out there Mark E. Armstrong www.top5plus5.com NW Chapter Rep Pancreatitis Association, International Re: Re: Pain relief concerns > > > So if the doctors call this an addiction then maybe it is.......just not > in the sense that most people associate that word " Adiction " . There should > be another word for it........like " Accustom " .........Pam ga > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > Online e-mail group > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 hahahahahaha.....and you know those fence post Dr. are out there Mark E. Armstrong www.top5plus5.com NW Chapter Rep Pancreatitis Association, International Re: Re: Pain relief concerns > > > So if the doctors call this an addiction then maybe it is.......just not > in the sense that most people associate that word " Adiction " . There should > be another word for it........like " Accustom " .........Pam ga > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > Online e-mail group > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 hahahahahaha.....and you know those fence post Dr. are out there Mark E. Armstrong www.top5plus5.com NW Chapter Rep Pancreatitis Association, International Re: Re: Pain relief concerns > > > So if the doctors call this an addiction then maybe it is.......just not > in the sense that most people associate that word " Adiction " . There should > be another word for it........like " Accustom " .........Pam ga > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > Online e-mail group > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2002 Report Share Posted June 25, 2002 hahahahahaha.....and you know those fence post Dr. are out there Mark E. Armstrong www.top5plus5.com NW Chapter Rep Pancreatitis Association, International Re: Re: Pain relief concerns > > > So if the doctors call this an addiction then maybe it is.......just not > in the sense that most people associate that word " Adiction " . There should > be another word for it........like " Accustom " .........Pam ga > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > Online e-mail group > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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