Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Hi Tummy, I may get nailed for this but once a long time ago I was getting morphine injections for pain (recovery from a modified Whipple procedure), while this went on for only a little over a week and was then switched to oral codeine (Emprin 4's), I felt I went through a little withdrawal symptoms. On one hand there was a lot going on and many other contributing aspects and I really got along fine. On the other hand I became very aware of the addictive power of narcotics. Bottom line, maybe the aspect that is the most important is that if you want to really get better then you can learn to live with a little temporary pain in order to achieve a higher goal of recovery. I certainly am for the proper use of narcotics, and I currently use narcotics with regularity as needed now, they most certainly have a fine medical use. But one must be careful to use them in a timely, purposeful, manner for medical purposes. FWIW, last Friday I avoided using narcotics too long and had the worst PC attack than I have had for several months. Almost went to the ER. I do know and recommend that one must learn to get ahead and stay ahead of the pain of PC or you can easily lose that battle. Bast Wishes, Poncho - GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Hi Tummy, I may get nailed for this but once a long time ago I was getting morphine injections for pain (recovery from a modified Whipple procedure), while this went on for only a little over a week and was then switched to oral codeine (Emprin 4's), I felt I went through a little withdrawal symptoms. On one hand there was a lot going on and many other contributing aspects and I really got along fine. On the other hand I became very aware of the addictive power of narcotics. Bottom line, maybe the aspect that is the most important is that if you want to really get better then you can learn to live with a little temporary pain in order to achieve a higher goal of recovery. I certainly am for the proper use of narcotics, and I currently use narcotics with regularity as needed now, they most certainly have a fine medical use. But one must be careful to use them in a timely, purposeful, manner for medical purposes. FWIW, last Friday I avoided using narcotics too long and had the worst PC attack than I have had for several months. Almost went to the ER. I do know and recommend that one must learn to get ahead and stay ahead of the pain of PC or you can easily lose that battle. Bast Wishes, Poncho - GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 He > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever become > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will become > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts about > this. Tummy, I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. With hope and prayers, Heidi Heidi H. Griffeth - SC hhessgriffeth@... Southeastern Representative Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 He > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever become > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will become > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts about > this. Tummy, I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. With hope and prayers, Heidi Heidi H. Griffeth - SC hhessgriffeth@... Southeastern Representative Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 He > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever become > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will become > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts about > this. Tummy, I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. With hope and prayers, Heidi Heidi H. Griffeth - SC hhessgriffeth@... Southeastern Representative Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 He > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever become > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will become > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts about > this. Tummy, I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. With hope and prayers, Heidi Heidi H. Griffeth - SC hhessgriffeth@... Southeastern Representative Pancreatitis Association, Intl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 I think the correct percentage is about 1% that get addicted from taking pain meds. I know most of us would like to NEVER see a pain med in our lives again if that were possible. Taking pain meds is no fun (Which doesn't mean we aren't absolutely thankful for having them) and psychologically for most if us, there is no high or " joy " in taking these things. It's a necessary evil that we all put up with. Of course, you have to be lying on the floor (or couch, or bed or anywhere else) in absolute agony to appreciate what a pain med can do. I suppose that's why people who aren't in chronic pain don't understand us very well sometimes. Jerry ***************************** Re: Pain relief concerns > > He > > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever > become > > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will > become > > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts > about > > this. > > Tummy, > > I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might > question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit > too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few > other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the > whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate > wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. > > With hope and prayers, > Heidi > > > Heidi H. Griffeth - SC > hhessgriffeth@... > Southeastern Representative > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > Online e-mail group > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 I think the correct percentage is about 1% that get addicted from taking pain meds. I know most of us would like to NEVER see a pain med in our lives again if that were possible. Taking pain meds is no fun (Which doesn't mean we aren't absolutely thankful for having them) and psychologically for most if us, there is no high or " joy " in taking these things. It's a necessary evil that we all put up with. Of course, you have to be lying on the floor (or couch, or bed or anywhere else) in absolute agony to appreciate what a pain med can do. I suppose that's why people who aren't in chronic pain don't understand us very well sometimes. Jerry ***************************** Re: Pain relief concerns > > He > > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever > become > > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will > become > > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts > about > > this. > > Tummy, > > I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might > question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit > too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few > other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the > whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate > wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. > > With hope and prayers, > Heidi > > > Heidi H. Griffeth - SC > hhessgriffeth@... > Southeastern Representative > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > Online e-mail group > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Jerry, you hit that right on the head. People that are in chronic pain, take just enough meds to get the breakthru. People who abuse drugs just want the high. Mark E. Armstrong NW Rep, PAI www.top5plus5.com casca@... Re: Pain relief concerns > > > > > > He > > > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever > > become > > > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will > > become > > > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts > > about > > > this. > > > > Tummy, > > > > I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might > > question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit > > too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few > > other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the > > whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate > > wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. > > > > With hope and prayers, > > Heidi > > > > > > Heidi H. Griffeth - SC > > hhessgriffeth@... > > Southeastern Representative > > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. > > > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > > Online e-mail group > > > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo > > > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Jerry, you hit that right on the head. People that are in chronic pain, take just enough meds to get the breakthru. People who abuse drugs just want the high. Mark E. Armstrong NW Rep, PAI www.top5plus5.com casca@... Re: Pain relief concerns > > > > > > He > > > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever > > become > > > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will > > become > > > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts > > about > > > this. > > > > Tummy, > > > > I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might > > question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit > > too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few > > other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the > > whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate > > wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. > > > > With hope and prayers, > > Heidi > > > > > > Heidi H. Griffeth - SC > > hhessgriffeth@... > > Southeastern Representative > > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. > > > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > > Online e-mail group > > > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo > > > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Jerry, you hit that right on the head. People that are in chronic pain, take just enough meds to get the breakthru. People who abuse drugs just want the high. Mark E. Armstrong NW Rep, PAI www.top5plus5.com casca@... Re: Pain relief concerns > > > > > > He > > > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever > > become > > > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will > > become > > > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts > > about > > > this. > > > > Tummy, > > > > I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might > > question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit > > too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few > > other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the > > whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate > > wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. > > > > With hope and prayers, > > Heidi > > > > > > Heidi H. Griffeth - SC > > hhessgriffeth@... > > Southeastern Representative > > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. > > > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > > Online e-mail group > > > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo > > > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 Jerry, you hit that right on the head. People that are in chronic pain, take just enough meds to get the breakthru. People who abuse drugs just want the high. Mark E. Armstrong NW Rep, PAI www.top5plus5.com casca@... Re: Pain relief concerns > > > > > > He > > > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever > > become > > > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will > > become > > > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts > > about > > > this. > > > > Tummy, > > > > I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might > > question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit > > too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few > > other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the > > whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate > > wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. > > > > With hope and prayers, > > Heidi > > > > > > Heidi H. Griffeth - SC > > hhessgriffeth@... > > Southeastern Representative > > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. > > > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > > Online e-mail group > > > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis (AT) Yahoo > > > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis-subscribe (AT) Yahoo > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 > > He > > > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever > > become > > > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will > > become > > > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts > > about > > > this. > > > > Tummy, > > > > I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might > > question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit > > too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few > > other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the > > whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate > > wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. > > > > With hope and prayers, > > Heidi > > > > > > Heidi H. Griffeth - SC > > hhessgriffeth@h... > > Southeastern Representative > > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. > > > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > > Online e-mail group > > > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis@Y... > > > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis-subscribe@Y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 > > He > > > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever > > become > > > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will > > become > > > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts > > about > > > this. > > > > Tummy, > > > > I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might > > question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit > > too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few > > other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the > > whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate > > wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. > > > > With hope and prayers, > > Heidi > > > > > > Heidi H. Griffeth - SC > > hhessgriffeth@h... > > Southeastern Representative > > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. > > > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > > Online e-mail group > > > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis@Y... > > > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis-subscribe@Y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 > > He > > > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever > > become > > > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will > > become > > > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts > > about > > > this. > > > > Tummy, > > > > I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might > > question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit > > too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few > > other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the > > whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate > > wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. > > > > With hope and prayers, > > Heidi > > > > > > Heidi H. Griffeth - SC > > hhessgriffeth@h... > > Southeastern Representative > > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. > > > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > > Online e-mail group > > > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis@Y... > > > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis-subscribe@Y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 > > He > > > assured me that no one taking any narcotics for pain will ever > > become > > > addicted. He said only those who take it to get high will > > become > > > addicted. I would really be interested in anyone's thoughts > > about > > > this. > > > > Tummy, > > > > I think your doctor sounds like a very wise person. I might > > question a bit the words " no one " and " ever " , those sound a bit > > too definitive, but overall his attitude is one that I've seen a few > > other doctors echo. My GI says about the same. I think the > > whole key to this are the words " in moderation " , and to medicate > > wisely to relieve pain, and for no other reason. > > > > With hope and prayers, > > Heidi > > > > > > Heidi H. Griffeth - SC > > hhessgriffeth@h... > > Southeastern Representative > > Pancreatitis Association, Intl. > > > > > > > > PANCREATITIS Association, Intl. > > Online e-mail group > > > > To reply to this message hit " reply " or send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis@Y... > > > > To subscribe to this e-mail group, simply send an e-mail to: > Pancreatitis-subscribe@Y... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 I've recently had some problems getting my pain meds. I saw a pain mgmt. specialist a few months ago, and he sent a recommendation to my family doc to start oxycontin every 8 hrs & stadol NS for breakthrough pain. When I'm having such a bad attack, like the last 3 weeks, I can only use the stadol nasal spray because nothing else will stay down. My doc has it written that I can use 1 spray every 3- 4 hrs. as needed. There are only 14-15 sprays in a bottle, so if I took it as directed then I'd run out in 2 1/2 days! My home care nurse called my pharmacy to find out why they wouldn't refill it when I use it as directed & also ask if it was a law thing or the pharmacist judgement.......they said it was the pharmacist's judgement, that she was afraid I would come " addicted " to it if I took it that often. The home care nurse chewed her out! And now instead of having to wait 7 days for a refill, she gives it to me in 5, whew~whew! Just wanted to share that story with you all. Lots of hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 I've recently had some problems getting my pain meds. I saw a pain mgmt. specialist a few months ago, and he sent a recommendation to my family doc to start oxycontin every 8 hrs & stadol NS for breakthrough pain. When I'm having such a bad attack, like the last 3 weeks, I can only use the stadol nasal spray because nothing else will stay down. My doc has it written that I can use 1 spray every 3- 4 hrs. as needed. There are only 14-15 sprays in a bottle, so if I took it as directed then I'd run out in 2 1/2 days! My home care nurse called my pharmacy to find out why they wouldn't refill it when I use it as directed & also ask if it was a law thing or the pharmacist judgement.......they said it was the pharmacist's judgement, that she was afraid I would come " addicted " to it if I took it that often. The home care nurse chewed her out! And now instead of having to wait 7 days for a refill, she gives it to me in 5, whew~whew! Just wanted to share that story with you all. Lots of hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 I've recently had some problems getting my pain meds. I saw a pain mgmt. specialist a few months ago, and he sent a recommendation to my family doc to start oxycontin every 8 hrs & stadol NS for breakthrough pain. When I'm having such a bad attack, like the last 3 weeks, I can only use the stadol nasal spray because nothing else will stay down. My doc has it written that I can use 1 spray every 3- 4 hrs. as needed. There are only 14-15 sprays in a bottle, so if I took it as directed then I'd run out in 2 1/2 days! My home care nurse called my pharmacy to find out why they wouldn't refill it when I use it as directed & also ask if it was a law thing or the pharmacist judgement.......they said it was the pharmacist's judgement, that she was afraid I would come " addicted " to it if I took it that often. The home care nurse chewed her out! And now instead of having to wait 7 days for a refill, she gives it to me in 5, whew~whew! Just wanted to share that story with you all. Lots of hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 I've recently had some problems getting my pain meds. I saw a pain mgmt. specialist a few months ago, and he sent a recommendation to my family doc to start oxycontin every 8 hrs & stadol NS for breakthrough pain. When I'm having such a bad attack, like the last 3 weeks, I can only use the stadol nasal spray because nothing else will stay down. My doc has it written that I can use 1 spray every 3- 4 hrs. as needed. There are only 14-15 sprays in a bottle, so if I took it as directed then I'd run out in 2 1/2 days! My home care nurse called my pharmacy to find out why they wouldn't refill it when I use it as directed & also ask if it was a law thing or the pharmacist judgement.......they said it was the pharmacist's judgement, that she was afraid I would come " addicted " to it if I took it that often. The home care nurse chewed her out! And now instead of having to wait 7 days for a refill, she gives it to me in 5, whew~whew! Just wanted to share that story with you all. Lots of hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 , I am sorry that you have had some problems lately but I am glad that you are doing all right. I do hope that your SSI goes through this time. Sometimes it is unbelievable what this govt will do to us sick people. My prayers are with you and your family. in Sumter, SC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 , I am sorry that you have had some problems lately but I am glad that you are doing all right. I do hope that your SSI goes through this time. Sometimes it is unbelievable what this govt will do to us sick people. My prayers are with you and your family. in Sumter, SC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 , I am sorry that you have had some problems lately but I am glad that you are doing all right. I do hope that your SSI goes through this time. Sometimes it is unbelievable what this govt will do to us sick people. My prayers are with you and your family. in Sumter, SC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2002 Report Share Posted June 23, 2002 , I am sorry that you have had some problems lately but I am glad that you are doing all right. I do hope that your SSI goes through this time. Sometimes it is unbelievable what this govt will do to us sick people. My prayers are with you and your family. in Sumter, SC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2002 Report Share Posted June 24, 2002 Thanks Poncho and all others who gave me feedback on the morphine issue. I am not taking it daily as he recommended but I am taking it when it gets too difficult to deal with. I'm just too nervous. I know the idea is to keep on top of the pain and not have to play catch up with it but I feel that some pain can be tolerated. My other concern is that he did not want to give me anything for the lesser pain days. He said T3's would make things worse because of the codeine but id does seem that some of you can tolerate codeine alright? Or am I wrong in this?? I'm not sure what else is safe to use. What about ibuprophen and stuff like that?? I'm not talking severe pain, I'm talking the inbetween pain. Today I'm starting on MSM and enzymes so I'm really hoping this is going to be of help too. Thanks so much to everyone for the input!! Hugs and may you all feel just a bit better today....Tummy (from Poncho) .....I felt I went through a little withdrawal symptoms. .... maybe the aspect that is the most important is that > if you want to really get better then you can learn to live with a little > temporary pain in order to achieve a higher goal of recovery. I certainly am > for the proper use of narcotics, and I currently use narcotics with > regularity as needed now, they most certainly have a fine medical use. But > one must be careful to use them in a timely, purposeful, manner for medical > purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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