Update

[Guest guest]

California traffic is worse. ~smiles~ Crazy stuff!

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From:

I hate Houston traffic!

[Guest guest]

California traffic is worse. ~smiles~ Crazy stuff!

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From:

I hate Houston traffic!

[Guest guest]

AMEN Cary! That's where I live. I'm moving to Centerville in two weeks

(half way between here and Dallas) and I can't wait! I hate Houston

traffic!

Re: Update

Not as bad as Houston!!!

> > > WOW!! That was a great testimony!! It said so much. I am

> > considering this surgery and your email helped alot.

> > > Thanks

> > > Angie

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

AMEN Cary! That's where I live. I'm moving to Centerville in two weeks

(half way between here and Dallas) and I can't wait! I hate Houston

traffic!

Re: Update

Not as bad as Houston!!!

> > > WOW!! That was a great testimony!! It said so much. I am

> > considering this surgery and your email helped alot.

> > > Thanks

> > > Angie

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

AMEN Cary! That's where I live. I'm moving to Centerville in two weeks

(half way between here and Dallas) and I can't wait! I hate Houston

traffic!

Re: Update

Not as bad as Houston!!!

> > > WOW!! That was a great testimony!! It said so much. I am

> > considering this surgery and your email helped alot.

> > > Thanks

> > > Angie

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you , my surgeon , chiropractor & me are all writing a letter to my

insurance[blue Shield]. I will be very persistant.Do you know where I can

get a profile on a doctor, to see if they have any malpractice against

them?Thank You again

Toni

it has been nice reading about everyone experiances.

Re: Update

> Toni-

>

> I have insurance through the Texas Health Insurance Risk Pool. They

> didn't approve WLS until I submitted a 15 page letter telling them of

> the benefits. They added the benefit Jan 1 this year. I tried to get

> private insurance, which is a joke-- in Texas anyway. They won't even

> cover the common cold! So I decided I need to have health insurance,

> and I wasn't going to get private health insurance because I didn't

> meet the weight/height requirements. The premiums are high, but if

> you feel you can't get adequate insurance through work, etc, look

> into this. If not, be presistant, get in contact with human resources

> at you place of job, and tell them to add this benefit. Make a point

> that you are not going away! That's what I did

>

> cary

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > WOW!! That was a great testimony!! It said so much. I am

> > > considering this surgery and your email helped alot.

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Angie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thank you , my surgeon , chiropractor & me are all writing a letter to my

insurance[blue Shield]. I will be very persistant.Do you know where I can

get a profile on a doctor, to see if they have any malpractice against

them?Thank You again

Toni

it has been nice reading about everyone experiances.

Re: Update

> Toni-

>

> I have insurance through the Texas Health Insurance Risk Pool. They

> didn't approve WLS until I submitted a 15 page letter telling them of

> the benefits. They added the benefit Jan 1 this year. I tried to get

> private insurance, which is a joke-- in Texas anyway. They won't even

> cover the common cold! So I decided I need to have health insurance,

> and I wasn't going to get private health insurance because I didn't

> meet the weight/height requirements. The premiums are high, but if

> you feel you can't get adequate insurance through work, etc, look

> into this. If not, be presistant, get in contact with human resources

> at you place of job, and tell them to add this benefit. Make a point

> that you are not going away! That's what I did

>

> cary

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > WOW!! That was a great testimony!! It said so much. I am

> > > considering this surgery and your email helped alot.

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Angie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thank you , my surgeon , chiropractor & me are all writing a letter to my

insurance[blue Shield]. I will be very persistant.Do you know where I can

get a profile on a doctor, to see if they have any malpractice against

them?Thank You again

Toni

it has been nice reading about everyone experiances.

Re: Update

> Toni-

>

> I have insurance through the Texas Health Insurance Risk Pool. They

> didn't approve WLS until I submitted a 15 page letter telling them of

> the benefits. They added the benefit Jan 1 this year. I tried to get

> private insurance, which is a joke-- in Texas anyway. They won't even

> cover the common cold! So I decided I need to have health insurance,

> and I wasn't going to get private health insurance because I didn't

> meet the weight/height requirements. The premiums are high, but if

> you feel you can't get adequate insurance through work, etc, look

> into this. If not, be presistant, get in contact with human resources

> at you place of job, and tell them to add this benefit. Make a point

> that you are not going away! That's what I did

>

> cary

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > WOW!! That was a great testimony!! It said so much. I am

> > > considering this surgery and your email helped alot.

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Angie

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Trish,

I feel for you regarding the milk issue. Charlie can't have rice or

soy milk, thank God he likes juice.

Let me know if you are taking Sam back for more NAET treaments. I'm

planning on making an appointment for Charlie tomorrow.

Take care,

Mo

> Hey gals, sounds like everyone is busy around here! It is funny

b/c

> each month I think things will slow down, and I swear things just

> pick up!

>

> All is well here. The kids are doing well and we are finally all

> healthy! Sam is doing great! Trying to decide what on earth we

can

> give him as we wean him off this formula. Dh wants to try rice

milk

> again- hoping that the cough it causes has just been a fluke! I

> don't think it is, but I " ll try one more time! I just don't know

> what we'll do- he isn't big on juice of any kind (imagine that- a

> child that doesn't WANT juice)! I still haven't taken him back for

> NAET- but I REALLY REALLY NEED to do it! It would be wonderful for

> him to have real milk! We'll see.

> The pregnancy is going well. I " m 18wks now. Baby is moving. My

> friend is excited about that, but is struggeling with the fact her

> dad has cancer. He was doing well, but it is back and they really

> don't know what to do at this point. I feel horrible that such a

> wonderful time is bitter sweet at this point- so you might say a

> prayer for him!

>

> Last- does anyone have a good recipie for bread made in a machine?

I

> don't care if it is white or wheat- just M,E,S,N free! Thanks!

>

> Trish

[Guest guest]

Hi Trish,

I feel for you regarding the milk issue. Charlie can't have rice or

soy milk, thank God he likes juice.

Let me know if you are taking Sam back for more NAET treaments. I'm

planning on making an appointment for Charlie tomorrow.

Take care,

Mo

> Hey gals, sounds like everyone is busy around here! It is funny

b/c

> each month I think things will slow down, and I swear things just

> pick up!

>

> All is well here. The kids are doing well and we are finally all

> healthy! Sam is doing great! Trying to decide what on earth we

can

> give him as we wean him off this formula. Dh wants to try rice

milk

> again- hoping that the cough it causes has just been a fluke! I

> don't think it is, but I " ll try one more time! I just don't know

> what we'll do- he isn't big on juice of any kind (imagine that- a

> child that doesn't WANT juice)! I still haven't taken him back for

> NAET- but I REALLY REALLY NEED to do it! It would be wonderful for

> him to have real milk! We'll see.

> The pregnancy is going well. I " m 18wks now. Baby is moving. My

> friend is excited about that, but is struggeling with the fact her

> dad has cancer. He was doing well, but it is back and they really

> don't know what to do at this point. I feel horrible that such a

> wonderful time is bitter sweet at this point- so you might say a

> prayer for him!

>

> Last- does anyone have a good recipie for bread made in a machine?

I

> don't care if it is white or wheat- just M,E,S,N free! Thanks!

>

> Trish

[Guest guest]

, I hope you get the approval you're looking for. But you

know, when they do send that approval letter, it's only going to be

good for 90 days, which won't get you to February. I guess after

that you have to go through the approval process again, but I'm not

sure. Just something to be aware of and ask about. Good luck!

- in CA

LAP RNY 07-17-03

324/272.75/130?

> Well, on my merry-go-round rife with United HealthCare there is a

> small update. I talked to my dr's office (Dr. Nye - Pensacola)

they

> have it documented they sent an appeal on July 7th. UHC never got

it

> though. So..I sent one and my doc sent theirs again..this time

they

> recv'd it. I called UHC today to verify if there was any update.

> SOO...hopefully we'll have an approval soon. I have faith in our

> appeal.

> If approved I do not plan on undergoing the procedure (Open RNY)

> until February. My wife is about to burst with baby here within

the

> next month so I want to hold off a bit. At least wait until she

gets

> back to work.

> Anywho....I enjoy reading everyones messages. I guess I am a bit

of

> a lurker but that's ok I suppose.

>

>

> Waiting Patiently

> 351-351-195

[Guest guest]

Way to Go That wonderful too hear 198 lbs WOW.I hope I do

that great.That 30 lbs will be so easy with all the workout your

doing Keep up the Great Work.Congraduation you Big loser.God Bless a

friend debkroll of

Iowa.

> Well I weighed myself this morning and a lost 4 pounds last week.

Big

> Thanks to Debbie and Lori for all there help, advice and support.

>

> I wanted to share a couple of things I learned......

>

> There is a drink called Red Bull and it comes sugar free and I

drink

> 1 in the morning and the energy and hype that drink gives me is

> great. I recommend to drink it before a work out.

>

> I have changed my workout routine and it works really good. I am

> doing 45 minutes to 1 hr of cardio in the morning and in the

> afternoon I am doing toning. I joined Curves in Miami and I love

this

> gym. Its so easy but the results are awesome. I lost 1 inch this

week

> off my waist alone.

>

> Just wanted to share. I am 30 pounds away from my goal weight and

it

> gets harder but not impossible. After all I have already lost 198

> pounds 30 should not be so hard.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! That is great news ! I'm sure you'll lose those 30 lbs

before you know it! Congratulations!

10/07/03

>

> Just wanted to share. I am 30 pounds away from my goal weight and

it

> gets harder but not impossible. After all I have already lost 198

> pounds 30 should not be so hard.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Wow! That is great news ! I'm sure you'll lose those 30 lbs

before you know it! Congratulations!

10/07/03

>

> Just wanted to share. I am 30 pounds away from my goal weight and

it

> gets harder but not impossible. After all I have already lost 198

> pounds 30 should not be so hard.

>

>

[Guest guest]

woohoo!!! that's beyond awesome, vanessa!!!! this is the home

stretch, you've already come so far.

hmmm, heard about red bull, haven't tried it ...yet.

lori h.

> Well I weighed myself this morning and a lost 4 pounds last week.

Big

> Thanks to Debbie and Lori for all there help, advice and support.

>

> I wanted to share a couple of things I learned......

>

> There is a drink called Red Bull and it comes sugar free and I drink

> 1 in the morning and the energy and hype that drink gives me is

> great. I recommend to drink it before a work out.

>

> I have changed my workout routine and it works really good. I am

> doing 45 minutes to 1 hr of cardio in the morning and in the

> afternoon I am doing toning. I joined Curves in Miami and I love

this

> gym. Its so easy but the results are awesome. I lost 1 inch this

week

> off my waist alone.

>

> Just wanted to share. I am 30 pounds away from my goal weight and it

> gets harder but not impossible. After all I have already lost 198

> pounds 30 should not be so hard.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh wow Robin Great to hear from you. Congrats on getting to 29w and ((((HUGS))))

for the GD. I have to watch for that having PCOS but never got far enough

in my first pg to worry about it (delivered at 28w). Let us know how your

appt goes today and I hope you don't need the insulin shots.

Hope to hear a lot more from you from now on.

Shona

dakota100699 wrote:

Hi all,

just checking in to give a quick update.

I am 29 weeks pg now and can't wait for 36 weeks to get here. I've

just been diagnosed with gestational diabetes and have to eat a

special diet (no cookies, cakes, candies, etc.) and I have to check

my blood sugar level 4 times a day and record everything I eat.

I go back on Tuesday and they will decide if I need insulin shots.

They say that 40-50% of women diagnosed with this condition do need

insulin and so far I've failed more of my blood sugar readings than

passed so I think I'll end up on insulin.

Other than that things are going well. I'm just feeling my age this

time around. I'll be 40 next month.

We still haven't decided on a name. Sometimes I wonder if we ever

will. We've always had a name picked way before now. No name

sounds right to us. We might just have to bring a list of 10 names

to the hospital and see what he looks like.

Welcome to all the new ladies - I hope you find the help you need on

this board.

I apologize for not posting more often than I do. During my last

pregnancy I posted at the Babycenter Bulletin Boards under "Pregnancy

after a loss" and I got so wrapped up in posting that I worried about

every little thing that happened to others. My family did not really

think it was healthy for me but at the time I think it really

helped. This time around though I just don't have the interest to

get so involved. I still read all the posts but just don't respond

even when I feel I have something to add. I hope you understand.

I'm only working 1/2 days now but it seems I spend the other half of

the day at a doctor appt. It's refreshing to know that I've reached

the point at 29 weeks where 90+ percent of babies survive if born now.

With the gestational diabetes they will start doing bio physical

tests on the baby weekly to make sure that he is doing okay. I

didn't really know much about gestational diabetes before but the

interesting thing I learned about why it's so important to keep in in

check when you are pregnant is because my body is not producing

enough insulin to digest the sugars in my diet. They get passed to

the baby and it makes his pancreas work hard and he produces more

insulin than he would normally need. Upon delivery he can be born

with low blood sugar because he is producing way too much insulin and

this can put him in a coma. It also causes jaundice problems because

the pancreas is out of wack already.

Before I thought it just made the baby bigger and fatter and thought

that in my case a big baby wouldn't be a problem becuase I was having

a c-section anyway. But there is a lot more to gestational diabetes

than most of us know.

I hope everyone else is doing well. I'll check back later.

Love,

Robin

^i^ Dakota 10/6/99 (23 weeks)

Raine 9/8/00

Baby Boy EDD 12/8/03 (c-section around 11/10)

[Guest guest]

Oh wow Robin Great to hear from you. Congrats on getting to 29w and ((((HUGS))))

for the GD. I have to watch for that having PCOS but never got far enough

in my first pg to worry about it (delivered at 28w). Let us know how your

appt goes today and I hope you don't need the insulin shots.

Hope to hear a lot more from you from now on.

Shona

dakota100699 wrote:

Hi all,

just checking in to give a quick update.

I am 29 weeks pg now and can't wait for 36 weeks to get here. I've

just been diagnosed with gestational diabetes and have to eat a

special diet (no cookies, cakes, candies, etc.) and I have to check

my blood sugar level 4 times a day and record everything I eat.

I go back on Tuesday and they will decide if I need insulin shots.

They say that 40-50% of women diagnosed with this condition do need

insulin and so far I've failed more of my blood sugar readings than

passed so I think I'll end up on insulin.

Other than that things are going well. I'm just feeling my age this

time around. I'll be 40 next month.

We still haven't decided on a name. Sometimes I wonder if we ever

will. We've always had a name picked way before now. No name

sounds right to us. We might just have to bring a list of 10 names

to the hospital and see what he looks like.

Welcome to all the new ladies - I hope you find the help you need on

this board.

I apologize for not posting more often than I do. During my last

pregnancy I posted at the Babycenter Bulletin Boards under "Pregnancy

after a loss" and I got so wrapped up in posting that I worried about

every little thing that happened to others. My family did not really

think it was healthy for me but at the time I think it really

helped. This time around though I just don't have the interest to

get so involved. I still read all the posts but just don't respond

even when I feel I have something to add. I hope you understand.

I'm only working 1/2 days now but it seems I spend the other half of

the day at a doctor appt. It's refreshing to know that I've reached

the point at 29 weeks where 90+ percent of babies survive if born now.

With the gestational diabetes they will start doing bio physical

tests on the baby weekly to make sure that he is doing okay. I

didn't really know much about gestational diabetes before but the

interesting thing I learned about why it's so important to keep in in

check when you are pregnant is because my body is not producing

enough insulin to digest the sugars in my diet. They get passed to

the baby and it makes his pancreas work hard and he produces more

insulin than he would normally need. Upon delivery he can be born

with low blood sugar because he is producing way too much insulin and

this can put him in a coma. It also causes jaundice problems because

the pancreas is out of wack already.

Before I thought it just made the baby bigger and fatter and thought

that in my case a big baby wouldn't be a problem becuase I was having

a c-section anyway. But there is a lot more to gestational diabetes

than most of us know.

I hope everyone else is doing well. I'll check back later.

Love,

Robin

^i^ Dakota 10/6/99 (23 weeks)

Raine 9/8/00

Baby Boy EDD 12/8/03 (c-section around 11/10)

[Guest guest]

HI,

Just a note....I delivered at 36 wks a boy who was perfectly healthy. I had GD and was insulin 3x day. No probs with lungs at all. Good luck

Terri & Zach 4/8/03

[Guest guest]

Praying everthing will be okay.

> Hi everyone,

>

> First I want to welcome all the newcombers this group really seems

to

> be growing lately.

>

> Next I wanted to let you all know that I've been having Bio

Physical

> and NST tests due to the gestational diabetes/insulin that I have

to

> take. I have these tests twice a week and so far so good. Baby

Boy

> has received 10 out of 10 points at each visit. Yesterday, we

> tenatively scheduled the c-section for Friday, November 7th

provided

> the lungs are mature the day before after doing the amnio.

>

> I was cautioned that gestational diabetes tends to slow the

> maturation of the lung process so it is not a guarantee that he

will

> be ready on the 6th or 7th. If not, they will probably do another

> amnio a week later.

>

> Please pray for us that he is ready to be born on the 7th. I've

been

> really miserable lately. I've been having a lot of contrations

just

> from walking around a little bit so that keeps me down. I also

have

> a lot of pain in my cervix but it appears to just be pressure as my

> cervical lenght is around 3 centimeters. I have sciatic nerve

pain

> at night while trying to sleep on the side that I lay on so I

> constanly have to turn over to get rid of the pain. I can only lay

> on each side for about an hour. I also have a problem with my

> sinuses -- it coincides with the sciatic nerve pain so fortunately

> when I turn over my sinus clear up on the same side as the sciatic

> nerve pain. On top of all of this the diabetes is really getting

> to me. I have to check my blood sugar 4 times a day by pricking my

> fingers and usuing a little machine. I also have to check my urine

> for ketones in the morning and I have to give myself insulin shots

i

> the stomach before I go to bed.

>

> I will be 40 in two weeks and I'm sure that my age is adding to all

> of this.

>

> Lastly, I wanted to add that I talked to my peri yesterday to see

if

> he would be removing the cerclage and he said " yes " definately. I

> told him about the responses I had seen on this board and that it

> appeared that most doctors were leaving the cerclages in even when

> woman were done having babies. He said that the cerclage is not

> hard to remove especially after having it for just one pregnancy.

He

> said the the scar tissue, etc. is not that bad after 5-6 months so

he

> will be removing it. I will also have a tubal ligation at that

time.

>

> I also wanted to add a comment regarding the " invasiveness " of the

ab

> cerclage. I would definately liken the surgery to more like a c-

> section than a hysterectomy. Also, my peri told me before the

> surgery that during the surgery they really have to pack your

bowels

> up in your chest during the surgery and that the surgery is much

more

> complicated that a c-section because they have to dig small tunnels

> in the cervix/uterus to put in the cerclage and that these areas

> filled with blood vessels, etc. and it would be very easy to cause

a

> hemmorage and because of that it could jeopardize the baby and the

> woman's life or it could cause the loss of the baby and the

uterus.

> I had a terrible problem getting my bowels back to normal after the

> surgery. It took a good week before I was able to have a bowel

> movement because when your bowels are handled during surgery like

> that they go into shock. I think that that is a probably why it is

> referred to as invasive. I know it took me a lot longer to heal

> from this surgery than from my previous c-section 3 years ago.

>

> I hope that helps.

>

> Robin

> ^i^ Dakota 10/6/99 (23 week loss)

> Raine 9/8/000

> Baby Boy = 31w4d - Hoping for a 11/7 birthdate.

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin,

I was just sending you a good wish!!!!!! Hope you are hanging in there! The time is getting close are you ready? I have been praying for you and your family. How are you feeling? Hopefully better. TAKE it EASY ok. God Bless

Update

Hi everyone,First I want to welcome all the newcombers this group really seems to be growing lately.Next I wanted to let you all know that I've been having Bio Physical and NST tests due to the gestational diabetes/insulin that I have to take. I have these tests twice a week and so far so good. Baby Boy has received 10 out of 10 points at each visit. Yesterday, we tenatively scheduled the c-section for Friday, November 7th provided the lungs are mature the day before after doing the amnio. I was cautioned that gestational diabetes tends to slow the maturation of the lung process so it is not a guarantee that he will be ready on the 6th or 7th. If not, they will probably do another amnio a week later.Please pray for us that he is ready to be born on the 7th. I've been really miserable lately. I've been having a lot of contrations just from walking around a little bit so that keeps me down. I also have a lot of pain in my cervix but it appears to just be pressure as my cervical lenght is around 3 centimeters. I have sciatic nerve pain at night while trying to sleep on the side that I lay on so I constanly have to turn over to get rid of the pain. I can only lay on each side for about an hour. I also have a problem with my sinuses -- it coincides with the sciatic nerve pain so fortunately when I turn over my sinus clear up on the same side as the sciatic nerve pain. On top of all of this the diabetes is really getting to me. I have to check my blood sugar 4 times a day by pricking my fingers and usuing a little machine. I also have to check my urine for ketones in the morning and I have to give myself insulin shots i the stomach before I go to bed.I will be 40 in two weeks and I'm sure that my age is adding to all of this.Lastly, I wanted to add that I talked to my peri yesterday to see if he would be removing the cerclage and he said "yes" definately. I told him about the responses I had seen on this board and that it appeared that most doctors were leaving the cerclages in even when woman were done having babies. He said that the cerclage is not hard to remove especially after having it for just one pregnancy. He said the the scar tissue, etc. is not that bad after 5-6 months so he will be removing it. I will also have a tubal ligation at that time.I also wanted to add a comment regarding the "invasiveness" of the ab cerclage. I would definately liken the surgery to more like a c-section than a hysterectomy. Also, my peri told me before the surgery that during the surgery they really have to pack your bowels up in your chest during the surgery and that the surgery is much more complicated that a c-section because they have to dig small tunnels in the cervix/uterus to put in the cerclage and that these areas filled with blood vessels, etc. and it would be very easy to cause a hemmorage and because of that it could jeopardize the baby and the woman's life or it could cause the loss of the baby and the uterus. I had a terrible problem getting my bowels back to normal after the surgery. It took a good week before I was able to have a bowel movement because when your bowels are handled during surgery like that they go into shock. I think that that is a probably why it is referred to as invasive. I know it took me a lot longer to heal from this surgery than from my previous c-section 3 years ago.I hope that helps. Robin^i^ Dakota 10/6/99 (23 week loss) Raine 9/8/000Baby Boy = 31w4d - Hoping for a 11/7 birthdate.

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin,

I was just sending you a good wish!!!!!! Hope you are hanging in there! The time is getting close are you ready? I have been praying for you and your family. How are you feeling? Hopefully better. TAKE it EASY ok. God Bless

Update

Hi everyone,First I want to welcome all the newcombers this group really seems to be growing lately.Next I wanted to let you all know that I've been having Bio Physical and NST tests due to the gestational diabetes/insulin that I have to take. I have these tests twice a week and so far so good. Baby Boy has received 10 out of 10 points at each visit. Yesterday, we tenatively scheduled the c-section for Friday, November 7th provided the lungs are mature the day before after doing the amnio. I was cautioned that gestational diabetes tends to slow the maturation of the lung process so it is not a guarantee that he will be ready on the 6th or 7th. If not, they will probably do another amnio a week later.Please pray for us that he is ready to be born on the 7th. I've been really miserable lately. I've been having a lot of contrations just from walking around a little bit so that keeps me down. I also have a lot of pain in my cervix but it appears to just be pressure as my cervical lenght is around 3 centimeters. I have sciatic nerve pain at night while trying to sleep on the side that I lay on so I constanly have to turn over to get rid of the pain. I can only lay on each side for about an hour. I also have a problem with my sinuses -- it coincides with the sciatic nerve pain so fortunately when I turn over my sinus clear up on the same side as the sciatic nerve pain. On top of all of this the diabetes is really getting to me. I have to check my blood sugar 4 times a day by pricking my fingers and usuing a little machine. I also have to check my urine for ketones in the morning and I have to give myself insulin shots i the stomach before I go to bed.I will be 40 in two weeks and I'm sure that my age is adding to all of this.Lastly, I wanted to add that I talked to my peri yesterday to see if he would be removing the cerclage and he said "yes" definately. I told him about the responses I had seen on this board and that it appeared that most doctors were leaving the cerclages in even when woman were done having babies. He said that the cerclage is not hard to remove especially after having it for just one pregnancy. He said the the scar tissue, etc. is not that bad after 5-6 months so he will be removing it. I will also have a tubal ligation at that time.I also wanted to add a comment regarding the "invasiveness" of the ab cerclage. I would definately liken the surgery to more like a c-section than a hysterectomy. Also, my peri told me before the surgery that during the surgery they really have to pack your bowels up in your chest during the surgery and that the surgery is much more complicated that a c-section because they have to dig small tunnels in the cervix/uterus to put in the cerclage and that these areas filled with blood vessels, etc. and it would be very easy to cause a hemmorage and because of that it could jeopardize the baby and the woman's life or it could cause the loss of the baby and the uterus. I had a terrible problem getting my bowels back to normal after the surgery. It took a good week before I was able to have a bowel movement because when your bowels are handled during surgery like that they go into shock. I think that that is a probably why it is referred to as invasive. I know it took me a lot longer to heal from this surgery than from my previous c-section 3 years ago.I hope that helps. Robin^i^ Dakota 10/6/99 (23 week loss) Raine 9/8/000Baby Boy = 31w4d - Hoping for a 11/7 birthdate.

[Guest guest]

GiJo,

Don't know when I'll be able to get back on here - got more family coming in

tomorrow and Friday - so I'll wish you well now. Good luck on the 18th...you're

almost there. Hang in there.

Smooches

update

Hi,

Just wanted to give everyone any update. On Tuesday, I got my wires

and hooks put in. So my mouth has been a bit sore all week.

Yesterday, I had my pre-op appointment. It went well. The Surgeon

also took measurements, moulds, and bite prints as well. I had a

bunch of Doctor's staring at my mouth/bite/jaw for most of the day.

I was really sore after it.

It looks like everything is pretty much set and ready for Dec 18.

There's no turning back now.

Hope everyone that had surgery this week is doing well. Hang in

there!

GiJo

[Guest guest]

You definitely need a new ortho and surgeon, Andy, I'd say. That's

just awful.

That a doc would dismiss pain appalls me.

And how sweet that he thinks he did a good job. Doesn't sound to me

as though he did. I'd be inclined to write a letter to the

governing/licensing board about this character (and about your

surgeon, if he has the same attitude).

What did your " big bad dad " say about all this?

And how dare the ortho say that an MRI wouldn't tell him anything

more? You have pain, you want help, and he says no??? Not why, but

just no? Ummm, I'm glad this fellow wasn't treating me. And how the

hell would it defeat the purpose, unless the " purpose " is to cover up

whatever mistakes these two made???

I do find that my mouth is still settling -- and I had lower surgery

in June 2002 -- for whatever that's worth. But I was told to wear the

retainer 14 hours daily, and do. And I'd go slowly about this one,

but equillibration (grinding down the surfaces of the teeth) can make

major changes in the bite, too. But find someone you trust more than

these two to do it, before you ask.

I don't know whether my ortho has a drug license, either. I do know

that he didn't prescribe anything for me -- he handed me the

prescription fluoride gel, but said I wouldn't need more for pain

than otc stuff. And I didn't, really. I was pretty uncomfortable, but

not unbearably so. My surgeon, of course, could and did prescribe

stuff.

I think indeed you do need some different docs. You wanna come on

down to Lower Alabama? I can send you to a couple I'll vouch for

without reservation.

Best,

Cammie

[Guest guest]

You definitely need a new ortho and surgeon, Andy, I'd say. That's

just awful.

That a doc would dismiss pain appalls me.

And how sweet that he thinks he did a good job. Doesn't sound to me

as though he did. I'd be inclined to write a letter to the

governing/licensing board about this character (and about your

surgeon, if he has the same attitude).

What did your " big bad dad " say about all this?

And how dare the ortho say that an MRI wouldn't tell him anything

more? You have pain, you want help, and he says no??? Not why, but

just no? Ummm, I'm glad this fellow wasn't treating me. And how the

hell would it defeat the purpose, unless the " purpose " is to cover up

whatever mistakes these two made???

I do find that my mouth is still settling -- and I had lower surgery

in June 2002 -- for whatever that's worth. But I was told to wear the

retainer 14 hours daily, and do. And I'd go slowly about this one,

but equillibration (grinding down the surfaces of the teeth) can make

major changes in the bite, too. But find someone you trust more than

these two to do it, before you ask.

I don't know whether my ortho has a drug license, either. I do know

that he didn't prescribe anything for me -- he handed me the

prescription fluoride gel, but said I wouldn't need more for pain

than otc stuff. And I didn't, really. I was pretty uncomfortable, but

not unbearably so. My surgeon, of course, could and did prescribe

stuff.

I think indeed you do need some different docs. You wanna come on

down to Lower Alabama? I can send you to a couple I'll vouch for

without reservation.

Best,

Cammie

[Guest guest]

You definitely need a new ortho and surgeon, Andy, I'd say. That's

just awful.

That a doc would dismiss pain appalls me.

And how sweet that he thinks he did a good job. Doesn't sound to me

as though he did. I'd be inclined to write a letter to the

governing/licensing board about this character (and about your

surgeon, if he has the same attitude).

What did your " big bad dad " say about all this?

And how dare the ortho say that an MRI wouldn't tell him anything

more? You have pain, you want help, and he says no??? Not why, but

just no? Ummm, I'm glad this fellow wasn't treating me. And how the

hell would it defeat the purpose, unless the " purpose " is to cover up

whatever mistakes these two made???

I do find that my mouth is still settling -- and I had lower surgery

in June 2002 -- for whatever that's worth. But I was told to wear the

retainer 14 hours daily, and do. And I'd go slowly about this one,

but equillibration (grinding down the surfaces of the teeth) can make

major changes in the bite, too. But find someone you trust more than

these two to do it, before you ask.

I don't know whether my ortho has a drug license, either. I do know

that he didn't prescribe anything for me -- he handed me the

prescription fluoride gel, but said I wouldn't need more for pain

than otc stuff. And I didn't, really. I was pretty uncomfortable, but

not unbearably so. My surgeon, of course, could and did prescribe

stuff.

I think indeed you do need some different docs. You wanna come on

down to Lower Alabama? I can send you to a couple I'll vouch for

without reservation.

Best,

Cammie