Guest guest Posted May 6, 2003 Report Share Posted May 6, 2003 >> Thanks Pam and Elvia for the responses regarding Atkins. But how come we can't count them as protein? The bars say they have 21 grams of protein. On this list, at least, most of us agree that we (meaning WLS Post-op's) simply don't absorb most of the protein from solid food -- ANY solid food. We depend on our shakes, because they are absorbable, usable, pre-digested protein that our bodies rely on. We don't have sufficient working capacity to get a food to break down and give us all its best stuff. That's why we do protein shakes, that's why we do vitamin and mineral supplements. We do the protein bars (whatever kind) as small meals when only unhealthy food would be available, or as snacks occasionally when the urge for a real candy bar might be about to strike, or for a breakfast or lunch on the go. But, as with any other food, be it chicken, steak, fish, whatever, we don't count on it to give us much protein. It's a better choice than a big mac, a better choice than a Snickers bar, a better choice than most of what's out there and available. But it's not something we do for regular meals on a regular basis (at least not most of us). Hope that helps! ~~ Lyn G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Well, I have to voice my disagreement with this. I'm a 125 cm medial RNY. Many of the folks in my support groups are 25-100 cm proxies. Most of those people consume NO predigested protein of any kind. Some of them are years out. We have one woman who is a 1973 JIB (only 25% of the people who had that procedure are even still alive!) who had never consumed predigested protein until she met me and I converted her to Sci-Fit strawberry right before her conversion to a 150 cm RNY. That said, I personally do 90 grams a day of whey (Sci-Fit and Nectar) and had lost 105% of my excess weight lost at one year. I am now maintaining at 100% EWL. I have converted MANY people to shakes with Sci-Fit and even more over the last month with Nectar. Do I think shakes help? YES. Do I think they're an absolute requirement for proxies? NO. Absolute requirement for distals? DUH. I think we lose a lot of credibility in the community when we say that people don't absorb protein from solid food; clearly we do or most people who have proxie RNYs would be dead within a year or two. Guess what -- most of them are thriving -- and people are not stupid and can figure that out. We GAIN credibility when we show them how good shakes can taste and when we talk to them about how even proxies have improved bone density over time if they take calcium citrate AND predigested whey protein instead of just calcium citrate alone. Show them the health benefits, and they will get it. Threaten them with " grey ghost syndrome " and death, and they tune us out. And by the way, I count 30% of the protein grams I eat in solid food. That seems about right to me, FOR ME. I also do not eat ANY protein bars. They are heaving with stuff I'm allergic to (nuts, peanuts, soy) and the few I've found that aren't made from those things taste worse than crap. LOL I think that was $0.05 worth. Sorry! Ziobro Open RNY 09/17/01 310/130 http://tinyurl.com/4e3h http://tinyurl.com/4e3h> my profile with new photos ________________________________ From: Butterflye Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:52 PM To: Colleen Carleton; OSSG-Protein Subject: RE: Atkins >> Thanks Pam and Elvia for the responses regarding Atkins. But how come we can't count them as protein? The bars say they have 21 grams of protein. On this list, at least, most of us agree that we (meaning WLS Post-op's) simply don't absorb most of the protein from solid food -- ANY solid food. We depend on our shakes, because they are absorbable, usable, pre-digested protein that our bodies rely on. We don't have sufficient working capacity to get a food to break down and give us all its best stuff. That's why we do protein shakes, that's why we do vitamin and mineral supplements. We do the protein bars (whatever kind) as small meals when only unhealthy food would be available, or as snacks occasionally when the urge for a real candy bar might be about to strike, or for a breakfast or lunch on the go. But, as with any other food, be it chicken, steak, fish, whatever, we don't count on it to give us much protein. It's a better choice than a big mac, a better choice than a Snickers bar, a better choice than most of what's out there and available. But it's not something we do for regular meals on a regular basis (at least not most of us). Hope that helps! ~~ Lyn G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2003 Report Share Posted May 7, 2003 Guess that makes me totally incredible!! That's fine, I enjoy being incredible. My daughter is a short proxy, and I've seen her crash over and over from not doing her shakes. She calls me all contrite, vowing to do what she knows she should...just to stop when she starts to feel better....ah sigh! Hope she learns before she crashes big time. I've seen others do the same. I think those that make it without them, are the exception rather than the rule. Besides, I think telling people who are short proxies that they may not need the shakes leaves them open to health problems. Maybe some can get by, but not all. Better safe than sorry. Regards~ Jacque Distal RNY, 5/30/00 Drs. Fox and Oh 310~126 Beginning BMI 50.0 Current BMI 20.3 I think we lose a lot of credibility in the community when we say that people don't absorb protein from solid food; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Toi, Is it possible that you could send me the info you have on the Atkins diet? I know some things about it but would love to see the diet laid out on paper. If you can I'd appreciate it, if not, it's okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Toi, Is it possible that you could send me the info you have on the Atkins diet? I know some things about it but would love to see the diet laid out on paper. If you can I'd appreciate it, if not, it's okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 Hi Kari, if you do a search under Atkins you can find the main site. Each phase of the lifestyle is on the site as well as a lot of other useful information. I'm such a believer and know that when I come across difficulties maintaining my weight loss (and I know there will be difficulties) later down the road I'll return to an induction lifestyle. Its the easiest eating plan to lose weight I've ever come across. My hubby is a HUGE eater and in the mere two weeks that he has been on induction, his portion size has been cut in half and he says he doesn't feel a bit deprived. **Don't dwell on past failures, dream of future successes.** ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Toi ~ Colorado Lap RNY Medial Bypass 12/31/02 -129 lbs St. Mark's Hospital Salt Lake City, UT Dr. Simper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 You're absolutely right , and I should have mentioned that I do a modified version of the diet. Although fats don't seem to bother my system too much, I prefer to keep the fat content of my meals lower than is suggested by the diet. Its true that most of our post-op eating plans closely mimic the Atkins lifestyle already. **Don't dwell on past failures, dream of future successes.** ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Toi ~ Colorado Lap RNY Medial Bypass 12/31/02 -129 lbs St. Mark's Hospital Salt Lake City, UT Dr. Simper -- In Gastric_Bypass_Family , " mmgood010469 " wrote: > Just a word of caution about the Atkins diet...your new stomach > might not be able to handle as much fat as the Atkins plan allows. > My husband and I had been following Atkins for about 2-3 years, and > although I didn't lose a ton, I managed not to get any heavier than > when I started. A staple at our house was fried chicken wings. > When I tried one post-op, I got sick. I didn't throw-up, but I felt > awful for about an hour or so. Tonight, I had my first piece of > bacon. I ate a couple bites and didn't finish the rest because I > got that queesy feeling. A little later, I got a bit of the runs. > I think a modified Atkins plan could be easier on your tummy. More > fish and chicken, less of the heavier meats and fried stuff. And > don't forget...the carbs in fruits and veggies are worth eating, in > moderation of course. > > in CA > LAP RNY 07-17-03 > 324/263.25/130? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 Check out www.atkinsfriends.com is has great information and support. If you check out the " Century Club " board there are several people who have had WLS and a few that are considering it. _________________________________________________________________ Instant message in style with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 I was diagnosed with type II in 1996, I dragged myself to 2004 with unstable sugar levels. I am on Dionlil and glucophage maximum dose. While giving atkins a try my sugars levels reached to maximum satisfactory level, so much so that I got rid of the medicines I was taking. I would like to have the members comments on ATKINS diet. Should I go on Atkins as it is sucha controversial diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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