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>> Thanks Pam and Elvia for the responses regarding Atkins. But

how come we can't count them as protein? The bars say they

have 21 grams of protein.

On this list, at least, most of us agree that we (meaning WLS Post-op's)

simply don't absorb most of the protein from solid food -- ANY solid food.

We depend on our shakes, because they are absorbable, usable, pre-digested

protein that our bodies rely on. We don't have sufficient working capacity

to get a food to break down and give us all its best stuff. That's why we do

protein shakes, that's why we do vitamin and mineral supplements.

We do the protein bars (whatever kind) as small meals when only unhealthy

food would be available, or as snacks occasionally when the urge for a real

candy bar might be about to strike, or for a breakfast or lunch on the go.

But, as with any other food, be it chicken, steak, fish, whatever, we don't

count on it to give us much protein. It's a better choice than a big mac, a

better choice than a Snickers bar, a better choice than most of what's out

there and available. But it's not something we do for regular meals on a

regular basis (at least not most of us).

Hope that helps!

~~ Lyn G

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Well, I have to voice my disagreement with this. I'm a 125 cm medial

RNY. Many of the folks in my support groups are 25-100 cm proxies. Most

of those people consume NO predigested protein of any kind. Some of them

are years out. We have one woman who is a 1973 JIB (only 25% of the

people who had that procedure are even still alive!) who had never

consumed predigested protein until she met me and I converted her to

Sci-Fit strawberry right before her conversion to a 150 cm RNY.

That said, I personally do 90 grams a day of whey (Sci-Fit and Nectar)

and had lost 105% of my excess weight lost at one year. I am now

maintaining at 100% EWL. I have converted MANY people to shakes with

Sci-Fit and even more over the last month with Nectar. Do I think shakes

help? YES. Do I think they're an absolute requirement for proxies? NO.

Absolute requirement for distals? DUH.

I think we lose a lot of credibility in the community when we say that

people don't absorb protein from solid food; clearly we do or most

people who have proxie RNYs would be dead within a year or two. Guess

what -- most of them are thriving -- and people are not stupid and can

figure that out. We GAIN credibility when we show them how good shakes

can taste and when we talk to them about how even proxies have improved

bone density over time if they take calcium citrate AND predigested whey

protein instead of just calcium citrate alone. Show them the health

benefits, and they will get it. Threaten them with " grey ghost syndrome "

and death, and they tune us out.

And by the way, I count 30% of the protein grams I eat in solid food.

That seems about right to me, FOR ME. I also do not eat ANY protein

bars. They are heaving with stuff I'm allergic to (nuts, peanuts, soy)

and the few I've found that aren't made from those things taste worse

than crap. LOL

I think that was $0.05 worth. Sorry!

Ziobro

Open RNY 09/17/01

310/130

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From: Butterflye

Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:52 PM

To: Colleen Carleton; OSSG-Protein

Subject: RE: Atkins

>> Thanks Pam and Elvia for the responses regarding Atkins. But

how come we can't count them as protein? The bars say they

have 21 grams of protein.

On this list, at least, most of us agree that we (meaning WLS Post-op's)

simply don't absorb most of the protein from solid food -- ANY solid

food.

We depend on our shakes, because they are absorbable, usable,

pre-digested

protein that our bodies rely on. We don't have sufficient working

capacity

to get a food to break down and give us all its best stuff. That's why

we do

protein shakes, that's why we do vitamin and mineral supplements.

We do the protein bars (whatever kind) as small meals when only

unhealthy

food would be available, or as snacks occasionally when the urge for a

real

candy bar might be about to strike, or for a breakfast or lunch on the

go.

But, as with any other food, be it chicken, steak, fish, whatever, we

don't

count on it to give us much protein. It's a better choice than a big

mac, a

better choice than a Snickers bar, a better choice than most of what's

out

there and available. But it's not something we do for regular meals on a

regular basis (at least not most of us).

Hope that helps!

~~ Lyn G

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Guess that makes me totally incredible!! That's fine, I enjoy being

incredible. My daughter is a short proxy, and I've seen her crash over and

over from not doing her shakes. She calls me all contrite, vowing to do what

she knows she should...just to stop when she starts to feel better....ah

sigh! Hope she learns before she crashes big time. I've seen others do the

same. I think those that make it without them, are the exception rather than

the rule. Besides, I think telling people who are short proxies that they

may not need the shakes leaves them open to health problems. Maybe some can

get by, but not all. Better safe than sorry.

Regards~

Jacque

Distal RNY, 5/30/00

Drs. Fox and Oh

310~126

Beginning BMI 50.0

Current BMI 20.3

I think we lose a lot of credibility in the community when we say that

people don't absorb protein from solid food;

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Toi,

Is it possible that you could send me the info you have on the Atkins

diet? I know some things about it but would love to see the diet laid

out on paper. If you can I'd appreciate it, if not, it's okay.

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Toi,

Is it possible that you could send me the info you have on the Atkins

diet? I know some things about it but would love to see the diet laid

out on paper. If you can I'd appreciate it, if not, it's okay.

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Hi Kari, if you do a search under Atkins you can find the main site.

Each phase of the lifestyle is on the site as well as a lot of other

useful information. I'm such a believer and know that when I come

across difficulties maintaining my weight loss (and I know there will

be difficulties) later down the road I'll return to an induction

lifestyle. Its the easiest eating plan to lose weight I've ever come

across. My hubby is a HUGE eater and in the mere two weeks that he

has been on induction, his portion size has been cut in half and he

says he doesn't feel a bit deprived.

**Don't dwell on past failures, dream of future successes.**

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Toi ~ Colorado

Lap RNY Medial Bypass

12/31/02

-129 lbs

St. Mark's Hospital

Salt Lake City, UT

Dr. Simper

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You're absolutely right , and I should have mentioned that I do a

modified version of the diet. Although fats don't seem to bother my

system too much, I prefer to keep the fat content of my meals lower

than is suggested by the diet. Its true that most of our post-op

eating plans closely mimic the Atkins lifestyle already.

**Don't dwell on past failures, dream of future successes.**

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Toi ~ Colorado

Lap RNY Medial Bypass

12/31/02

-129 lbs

St. Mark's Hospital

Salt Lake City, UT

Dr. Simper

-- In Gastric_Bypass_Family , " mmgood010469 "

wrote:

> Just a word of caution about the Atkins diet...your new stomach

> might not be able to handle as much fat as the Atkins plan allows.

> My husband and I had been following Atkins for about 2-3 years, and

> although I didn't lose a ton, I managed not to get any heavier than

> when I started. A staple at our house was fried chicken wings.

> When I tried one post-op, I got sick. I didn't throw-up, but I

felt

> awful for about an hour or so. Tonight, I had my first piece of

> bacon. I ate a couple bites and didn't finish the rest because I

> got that queesy feeling. A little later, I got a bit of the runs.

> I think a modified Atkins plan could be easier on your tummy. More

> fish and chicken, less of the heavier meats and fried stuff. And

> don't forget...the carbs in fruits and veggies are worth eating, in

> moderation of course.

>

> in CA

> LAP RNY 07-17-03

> 324/263.25/130?

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Check out www.atkinsfriends.com is has great information and support. If

you check out the " Century Club " board there are several people who have had

WLS and a few that are considering it.

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I was diagnosed with type II in 1996, I dragged myself to 2004 with

unstable sugar levels. I am on Dionlil and glucophage maximum dose.

While giving atkins a try my sugars levels reached to maximum

satisfactory level, so much so that I got rid of the medicines I was

taking.

I would like to have the members comments on ATKINS diet. Should I

go on Atkins as it is sucha controversial diet.

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