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In a message dated 7/10/2004 7:43:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, j459g@...

writes:

> diabetics have to monitor how

> many total carbs we intake at

> any time and have limits per meal

> and snack otherwise blood sugar

> can skyrocket out of control.

That is clearly not true for non-

insulin dependent Type 2 diabetics

(the vast majority, I understand).

I have to disagree with you here. If, as diabetics, we go out there and

carbo load as sports figures do, we would certainly be in trouble. Our bodies

cannot tollerate a huge load of carbs. This is why I say 45 is a good place to

start per meal. See how your body handles it. Write down what the carbs were,

not just the reactions. It will do us no good if we do not know what set us

off at a later daye, so we can make adjustments..

" skyrocketing out of control " has

nothing to do with the carbohydrate

content of meals. Aren't you perhaps

exaggerating just a little here?

I guess it would depend on what someone ate.

If you are Type 2 on oral medica-

tion, why not try a test? Eat a

meal with twice as much carbo-

hydrate content as your " limit " and

measure your BG afterwards.

I think most of us have overdone it on occasion and seen the results of our

handiwork and are not too eager for a repeat. ;-) hopefully anyway.

I am sure that your elevated BG will

fall again in much the same way as

always and not " skyrocket out of

control " . If what you say was true,

and given the way the majority of

type 2 diabetics are said to control

their diabetes, the ERs would be full

every day with " out of control "

diabetics and that is not the case.

I think you are picking on this poor person, and belittling her. Not too

nice, is it?

Most of the " skyrocketing out of

control " occurs in diabetics who

have a severe infection or are not an undiagnosed infection or stress could

cause this also, not necessarily a bad thing done on anyones part.

taking their medication as prescribed.

I take my medication strictly on time

every day and I make no attempt to

keep my carbohydrate intake per meal

below any artificial limit and I

never " skyrocketed out of control "

yet nor did I ever show any signs of

doing so.

Good for you. Hope it stays that way.

> A nutritional plan, exercise

> regimen and possibly medication

> help control our blood sugar.

Yes, these things are the starting point any diabetes educator would be

looking at.

I don't agree with you. Our

metabolism controls our blood sugar,

stimulated where necessary by

medication. The nutritional plan

and the exercise are recommended

to ensure our long-term health.

When the endocrine system is askew, as in diabetics, we cannot just say

simply the metabolism is in control.

> The nutritional plan we put

> together with our diabetic

> dieticians show what we can eat

> and in what amounts, when we need

> to eat, what we cannot or should

> not eat, etc...

I am beginning to think you are here to damage all the good the everyone has

done for the newbies. I don't have much respect for the sweeping statements

you make or you calling these narrow views. This is exactly what dieticians

and diabetes educators teach.

That is a very narrow view of the

situation, in my opinion. I think

of it more from a public health

point of view. It is held that " most

people " do not eat in the healthiest

way and are not prepared to listen

to the evidence.

We are speaking of diabetics, here to learn how to survive and thrive, not

" most people " They are here because of a genuine interest in bettering their

lives!

Once people have been diagnosed with

diabetes, they are more receptive to

nutritional corrective measures and

that is a good opportunity to improve

their long-term health prospects.

Well, at least we agree on something.

I think you will find that the

general medical opinion these days

is that diabetics can eat whatever

non-diabetics SHOULD be eating if

their long-term health was a primary

consideration.

Yes, a healthy diet.

The question of " how much " is far more

related to a consideration of their

energy balance situation (whether they

need to lose weight, gain weight or

stay the same) than to their diabetes

directly as such.

I believe all these factors need to be considered. Most people are eating

too much, portion control is way out of wack. We are making every effort to

teach this here, as well as on the other diabetic sites.

Regards? or attacks?

Hugs, marilyn who prefers splenda to vinegar for catching flies, or teaching

a newbie how to survive and thrive. ;-)

Marilyn

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