IOM Committee member Dr. Alfred Berg already has his mind madeup/KIROTV Seattle 2-11-04

[Guest guest]

The google search [with the quote marks]

" university of washington " " alfred berg "

is informative.

Berg knows from whence is bread is buttered. The docs who heard

Semmelweiss' data about hand-washing and its saving of lives proceeded

to have him exited from his university. Berg seems of the same

temperment as the docs who fired Semmelweiss, as the docs and

administratoros who fired Wakefield or supported his firing. Berg

probably realizes that grant projects under his supervision have jumped

a few notches upward in process of grant-reviews for NIH funding and for

pharmaceutical company funding -- because of his ongoing position on

issues like vaccinations and because of his public statements.

I too have known of the Simpsonwood hypocrisy and related data-fraud by

the CDC and have watched the story remain hidden until just recently,

when at least some media are reporting the CDC's cover up. And parent

contacts to media personnel are helping get the story out. And I too am

irate that ethylmercury continues to be injected into humans. The CDC

even pushed this year's flu shot and its thimerosal.

I can't help but believe that the pharmaceutical company big wigs know

that profit ensues from damaging infants and toddlers from thimerosal,

and thus med school profs like Alfred Berg know how to espouse the

company line!

What with state legislators moving to ban thimerosal, I envision a time

in the near future when med school and vaccine-lobby big-wigs are

charged with Reckless Endangerment for encouraging thimerosal injections

while helping to cover up the findings of thimerosal-induced neurologic

damage.

I attended the 2001 IOM hearing, as did Sallie, Lyn, Heidi, and Albert

and many others. Albert brought his son Payam to the hearing, and during

closing comments, Albert's sadness and anger were much like that so well

expressed today by Asmus.

Hugs to all of you. The thimerosal tragedy and the MMR tragedy ought

never have happened. The individuals responsible and their collaborators

must be stopped.

J. Krakow wrote:

> IOM Committee member Dr. Alfred Berg already has his mind

> madeup/KIROTV Seattle 2-11-04

>

> link: http://www.kirotv.com/health/2841010/detail.html

>

> From the article:

>

> Scientists disagree on a link between vaccines and autism. While some

> studies suggest there's no connection, one report just out concludes

> mercury may interfere with brain activity in a way that could cause

> autism.

>

> " It was done on cells in laboratories, and we're a long way from

> showing that's actually the way it works in humans, " said Dr. Alfred

> Berg of the University of Washington.

>

> Dr. Berg returned Wednesday from his ninth meeting of a national panel

> of experts. They're evaluating the research to hopefully give parents

> answers about vaccines' connection to autism.

>

> " I find the evidence for the most part reassuring that in most cases

> the evidence favors no association between vaccine and adverse

> outcome, " said Berg

>

[Guest guest]

; If you read the whole article about Dr. Berg, it says he and

the panel are taking comments from the public until February 16 but

it does not say how to contact them. Do you know how to find an

Email for Dr. berg. We should deluge him with comments.

>

> > IOM Committee member Dr. Alfred Berg already has his mind

> > madeup/KIROTV Seattle 2-11-04

> >

> > link: http://www.kirotv.com/health/2841010/detail.html

> >

> > From the article:

> >

> > Scientists disagree on a link between vaccines and autism. While

some

> > studies suggest there's no connection, one report just out

concludes

> > mercury may interfere with brain activity in a way that could

cause

> > autism.

> >

> > " It was done on cells in laboratories, and we're a long way from

> > showing that's actually the way it works in humans, " said Dr.

Alfred

> > Berg of the University of Washington.

> >

> > Dr. Berg returned Wednesday from his ninth meeting of a national

panel

> > of experts. They're evaluating the research to hopefully give

parents

> > answers about vaccines' connection to autism.

> >

> > " I find the evidence for the most part reassuring that in most

cases

> > the evidence favors no association between vaccine and adverse

> > outcome, " said Berg

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Subject: IOM Committee member Dr. Alfred Berg already has his mind

madeup/KIROTV Seattle 2-11-04

Thanks to Sallie for posting the entire article. I had posted the link

that takes readers to the original complete article.

Two comments on Dr. Berg's statements that the press quoted and I

posted(perhaps Dr. Berg can clarify if he was misquoted or if his

statement was taken out of context):

1. I think it is improper for Dr. Berg to make any comment whatsoever

while the IOM panel on which he serves is deliberating on the link

between vaccines and autism. His opinion should be reserved until he

considers all the scientific and medical evidence. The IOM's report

should be treated with the same level of impartiality that governs a

judicial decision.

2. Dr. Berg's comment, " It was done on cells in laboratories, and

we're a long way from showing that's actually the way it works in

humans, " if quoted correctly is clearly directed to the question on

which scientific studies were just presented on February 9 before the

IOM--vaccines and autisms--and not to the earlier IOM meetings on

vaccine issues. The criticism I have of that quote is that substantial

presentations were made of findings that were made on HUMANS. These

were not studies done in a petri dish.

The evidence of

(a)mercury excretion difficulties in affected children, e.g., the baby

hair study (Holmes) as substantiated by the MIT findings presented by

Dr. Aposhian, the chelation study (Bradstreet),

( the helpful summary of these findings as an " efflux disorder "

(Aposhian)

© the findings of genetic susceptibility shown in Dr. Boris's

findings of highly statistically significant incidence of Methylene

tetrahydrofolate reductase polymorphism (MTHFR) in autistic children,

and

(d)Dr. 's clinical findings that " targeted nutritional

intervention " can correct for glutathione and metallothioniene

deficiencies (c and d wonderfully presented by Dr. Bradstreet)

were findings made in humans.

So, contrary to Dr. Berg's statements much of the evidence presented

was not " done on cells in laboratories. " Even Mady Hornig's important

findings are not subject to this type of dismissive comment. Her

shocking (see the videos of thimerosal poisoned mice engaging in

compulsive grooming to point of one biting off one's tail, the other a

mouse grooming a fellow mouse to the point of killling it by

penetrating its' skull) evidence of thimerosal's toxic effects on mice

are strong evidence of " the way it works in humans. " The reason studies

are done on mice is that in the past science has found that studies of

drugs on mice are good indicators, however approximate, of the drug or

toxin's effect on humans. Mice and men share most of the same genes.

This is not to mention the dozens if not hundreds of scientific studies

submitted to the IOM committee showing that thimerosal and ethyl

mercury is toxic to humans by studying its effect on humans.

So, I think it is fair to say that Dr. Berg's comments suggest that he

has his mind made up, at least on February 11, 2004 and has dismissed

the scientific evidence as merely laboratory evidence.

I hope that those who have more faith in the IOM's open mindedness are

correct. I was disappointed to see the kind of comment that came from

an IOM committee member on a pending issue.

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:00:17 -0700

From: Sallie Bernard <sbernard@...>

Subject: Re: IOM Committee member Dr. Alfred Berg already has his mind

madeup/KIROTV Seattle 2-11-04

Just to keep the record straight, I've posted the entire article which

quotes Dr. Berg. His first quote is referring to the other vaccine

safety issues the IOM committee has already addressed, such as vaccines

and MS, immune dysfunction, cancer, and SIDS. He continues his quote by

saying that the autism issue is still being deliberated. It doesn't

negate the fact that more research is needed and IOM review of the issue

is premature.

___________________________

>

> Researchers Closer To Answers About Vaccines And Autism

>

>

> Micki Flowers

> <http://www.kirotv.com/station/1867996/detail.html> KIRO 7

> Eyewitness News Health Reporter

>

> POSTED: 3:26 PM PST February 11, 2004

>

> While anxious parents wait, researchers hope they're a step closer to

> answers about the possible link between vaccines and the devastating

> condition of autism.Autism is a heartbreaking brain disorder that's on

> the rise in the US. While no one knows the cause, many parents suspect

> childhood vaccinations play a role.Now a national panel of experts

> just completed another round in the struggle to find answers.

>

> We first visited three years ago. His mother, Ricci King,

> noticed the early, disturbing signs of autism when he was a

> toddler. " He has limited ability to communicate with us. It's a

> struggle for him, " said King.Ricci suspects a link to his childhood

> vaccinations.Until 1999, the vaccines were routinely made with a

> mercury preservative called Thimerosal. " Mercury is one of the most

> poisonous substances that we know, " said King.

> Scientists disagree on a link between vaccines and autism. While some

> studies suggest there's no connection, one report just out concludes

> mercury may interfere with brain activity in a way that could cause

> autism.

>

>

>

> " It was done on cells in laboratories, and we're a long way from

> showing that's actually the way it works in humans, " said Dr. Alfred

> Berg of the University of Washington.Dr. Berg returned Wednesday from

> his ninth meeting of a national panel of experts. They're evaluating

> the research to hopefully give parents answers about vaccines'

> connection to autism.

> Berg says the panel has already looked at the connections between

> vaccines and a variety of outcomes. " I find the evidence for the most

> part reassuring that in most cases the evidence favors no association

> between vaccine and an adverse outcome, " said Berg.

> But regarding autism, Dr. Berg says he and others on the panel

> convened by the Institute of Medicine have not reached any

> conclusions. They are taking comments from the public until February

> 16th, and their final report is not expected until this summer.

> Still, Ricci King is doubtful the panel will bring her and other

> parents closer to the answers they need. " What will resolve the issues

> for parents is to see adequate funding directed toward the cause of

> autism how to treat it. How we as parents and families are to support

> our children for you know, a lifetime, " said King.

>

> Copyright 2004 by KIROTV.com <http://www.kirotv.com/contact>. All

> rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast,

> rewritten or redistributed.

>

Binstock wrote:

> The google search [with the quote marks]

> " university of washington " " alfred berg "

> is informative.

>

> Berg knows from whence is bread is buttered. The docs who heard

> Semmelweiss' data about hand-washing and its saving of lives proceeded

> to have him exited from his university. Berg seems of the same

> temperment as the docs who fired Semmelweiss, as the docs and

> administratoros who fired Wakefield or supported his firing. Berg

> probably realizes that grant projects under his supervision have jumped

> a few notches upward in process of grant-reviews for NIH funding and

> for

> pharmaceutical company funding -- because of his ongoing position on

> issues like vaccinations and because of his public statements.

>

> I too have known of the Simpsonwood hypocrisy and related data-fraud by

> the CDC and have watched the story remain hidden until just recently,

> when at least some media are reporting the CDC's cover up. And parent

> contacts to media personnel are helping get the story out. And I too am

> irate that ethylmercury continues to be injected into humans. The CDC

> even pushed this year's flu shot and its thimerosal.

>

> I can't help but believe that the pharmaceutical company big wigs know

> that profit ensues from damaging infants and toddlers from thimerosal,

> and thus med school profs like Alfred Berg know how to espouse the

> company line!

>

> What with state legislators moving to ban thimerosal, I envision a time

> in the near future when med school and vaccine-lobby big-wigs are

> charged with Reckless Endangerment for encouraging thimerosal

> injections

> while helping to cover up the findings of thimerosal-induced neurologic

> damage.

>

> I attended the 2001 IOM hearing, as did Sallie, Lyn, Heidi, and Albert

> and many others. Albert brought his son Payam to the hearing, and

> during

> closing comments, Albert's sadness and anger were much like that so

> well

> expressed today by Asmus.

>

> Hugs to all of you. The thimerosal tragedy and the MMR tragedy ought

> never have happened. The individuals responsible and their

> collaborators

> must be stopped.

>

>

>

>

> J. Krakow wrote:

>

>

>

>> IOM Committee member Dr. Alfred Berg already has his mind

>> madeup/KIROTV Seattle 2-11-04

>>

>> link: http://www.kirotv.com/health/2841010/detail.html

>>

>> From the article:

>>

>> Scientists disagree on a link between vaccines and autism. While some

>> studies suggest there's no connection, one report just out concludes

>> mercury may interfere with brain activity in a way that could cause

>> autism.

>>

>> " It was done on cells in laboratories, and we're a long way from

>> showing that's actually the way it works in humans, " said Dr. Alfred

>> Berg of the University of Washington.

>>

>> Dr. Berg returned Wednesday from his ninth meeting of a national panel

>> of experts. They're evaluating the research to hopefully give parents

>> answers about vaccines' connection to autism.

>>

>> " I find the evidence for the most part reassuring that in most cases

>> the evidence favors no association between vaccine and adverse

>> outcome, " said Berg

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

,

Your in-depth critique is very appreciated!!!

J. Krakow wrote:

> Subject: IOM Committee member Dr. Alfred Berg already has his mind

> madeup/KIROTV Seattle 2-11-04

>

> Thanks to Sallie for posting the entire article. I had posted the link

> that takes readers to the original complete article.

> Two comments on Dr. Berg's statements that the press quoted and I

> posted(perhaps Dr. Berg can clarify if he was misquoted or if his

> statement was taken out of context):

>

> 1. I think it is improper for Dr. Berg to make any comment whatsoever

> while the IOM panel on which he serves is deliberating on the link

> between vaccines and autism. His opinion should be reserved until he

> considers all the scientific and medical evidence. The IOM's report

> should be treated with the same level of impartiality that governs a

> judicial decision.

>

> 2. Dr. Berg's comment, " It was done on cells in laboratories, and

> we're a long way from showing that's actually the way it works in

> humans, " if quoted correctly is clearly directed to the question on

> which scientific studies were just presented on February 9 before the

> IOM--vaccines and autisms--and not to the earlier IOM meetings on

> vaccine issues. The criticism I have of that quote is that substantial

> presentations were made of findings that were made on HUMANS. These

> were not studies done in a petri dish.

>

> The evidence of

>

> (a)mercury excretion difficulties in affected children, e.g., the baby

> hair study (Holmes) as substantiated by the MIT findings presented by

> Dr. Aposhian, the chelation study (Bradstreet),

> ( the helpful summary of these findings as an " efflux disorder "

> (Aposhian)

> © the findings of genetic susceptibility shown in Dr. Boris's

> findings of highly statistically significant incidence of Methylene

> tetrahydrofolate reductase polymorphism (MTHFR) in autistic children,

> and

> (d)Dr. 's clinical findings that " targeted nutritional

> intervention " can correct for glutathione and metallothioniene

> deficiencies (c and d wonderfully presented by Dr. Bradstreet)

> were findings made in humans.

>

> So, contrary to Dr. Berg's statements much of the evidence presented

> was not " done on cells in laboratories. " Even Mady Hornig's important

> findings are not subject to this type of dismissive comment. Her

> shocking (see the videos of thimerosal poisoned mice engaging in

> compulsive grooming to point of one biting off one's tail, the other a

> mouse grooming a fellow mouse to the point of killling it by

> penetrating its' skull) evidence of thimerosal's toxic effects on mice

> are strong evidence of " the way it works in humans. " The reason studies

> are done on mice is that in the past science has found that studies of

> drugs on mice are good indicators, however approximate, of the drug or

> toxin's effect on humans. Mice and men share most of the same genes.

>

> This is not to mention the dozens if not hundreds of scientific studies

> submitted to the IOM committee showing that thimerosal and ethyl

> mercury is toxic to humans by studying its effect on humans.

>

> So, I think it is fair to say that Dr. Berg's comments suggest that he

> has his mind made up, at least on February 11, 2004 and has dismissed

> the scientific evidence as merely laboratory evidence.

>

> I hope that those who have more faith in the IOM's open mindedness are

> correct. I was disappointed to see the kind of comment that came from

> an IOM committee member on a pending issue.

>

>

>