Guest guest Posted December 11, 1998 Report Share Posted December 11, 1998 In a message dated 12/11/98 9:52:06 AM Central Standard Time, FFBUD@... writes: << I also seem to be bothered more at nite after I exercise in the evening. >> I used to walk a couple of miles every night an hour or so before bedtime for routine exercise purposes. I stopped due to some knee problems and my RLS is MUCH better! Coincidence? RAINBOWPED@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 In a message dated 3/20/99 2:42:28 AM !!!First Boot!!!, beckerk@... writes: << I just have a question...does anyone find there rls worse after exercise, even just a 20 minute brisk walk? I find it twice as bad after any type of areobic exercise. >> Yes, I use to take nightly walks for exercise and I found that it aggrevated my RLS; however, when I ride my bicycle at night, no problems. Go figure, eh? RAINBOWPED@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 In a message dated 3/20/99 2:42:28 AM !!!First Boot!!!, beckerk@... writes: << I just have a question...does anyone find there rls worse after exercise, even just a 20 minute brisk walk? I find it twice as bad after any type of areobic exercise. >> Yes, I use to take nightly walks for exercise and I found that it aggrevated my RLS; however, when I ride my bicycle at night, no problems. Go figure, eh? RAINBOWPED@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 Kim, I've noticed that exercise also makes the rls worse, but am not about to give it up, as it works so well at keeping depression away, not to mention the pounds. I have moderated my routines however, to include more upper body and less leg workouts. This has helped somewhat, but I have put on a few pounds since I stopped jogging (just walk the treadmill with a slight incline now), and I miss that sweaty runners high, but oh well - can't have everything. ne, 59, Lawrenceville, NJ ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 1999 Report Share Posted March 20, 1999 ne & group, After writing earlier this morning (in a fog) and saying how tired I was, I donned my sweats and went out for a morning run. ne, you are so right, there is nothing like that " sweaty runner's high " . I am so thankful that my depression is lifting in time for rhis first day of spring, and that I now have the desire to get out there and enjoy it. Exercise (for me, runnning & walking) is truly a great preventative for that terrible enemy of mine, depression. Unfortunately, winter weather, illness, injuries, letting other things consume my time, too often take me away from it. I've also put back on 10 of the 45 lbs. I've lost since last March, but it's getting ready to come back off. I say, " Hello Spring and thank you Lord for a beautiful day " . Ninette 51 TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 1999 Report Share Posted October 11, 1999 recumbent bikes are wonderful because they are easy on your joints and you can actually read on them....the classified ad route is the way to go: as we all know...lots of people buy them and never use them again. Celia (hasn't been to the gym in a week....ARGGG!!!) Re: i just remembered something important > > >Jean - can you get out and walk for even 5 minutes.. even just around >the house? Fresh air will do wonders! What about getting a baby >monitor to take with you in case he needs you.. it has a pretty far >reception.. It really sounds as if you need some time for YOU! And you >deserve it! Another great idea (which i have) is a recumbent exercise >bike. Recumbent (if someone doesnt know) is the type where your feet >are out in front of you, you almost recline a bit. Its easy on your >joints, very comfortable. I bought my used for $100, but i guess Sears >has them for around $300. >Mollie > >>Big and Beutiful is a state of mind, Never let anyone tell you different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 1999 Report Share Posted October 11, 1999 Celia - good idea.. you could always put a 'want ad' in --- you might find one that way! Mol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 1999 Report Share Posted October 11, 1999 lol,,,,,i have a treadmill like that too...my ex husband bought it for me...it was like, merry christmas DON'T YOU THINK YOU MIGHT EXCERCISE A BIT.....what a backhanded present! It's still living at his house...a 1000 buck coatrack! Celia >And mine is one of those....Too bad you're not closer to me. It's >just sitting over at my Mom's place being stored. > >Nat Baker >Bakers' Little Ranch >Home Page http://discover-net.net/~nbaker >Farm for Sale http://discover-net.net/~nbaker/farm.html > >>Big and Beutiful is a state of mind, Never let anyone tell you different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 1999 Report Share Posted October 11, 1999 lol,,,,,i have a treadmill like that too...my ex husband bought it for me...it was like, merry christmas DON'T YOU THINK YOU MIGHT EXCERCISE A BIT.....what a backhanded present! It's still living at his house...a 1000 buck coatrack! Celia >And mine is one of those....Too bad you're not closer to me. It's >just sitting over at my Mom's place being stored. > >Nat Baker >Bakers' Little Ranch >Home Page http://discover-net.net/~nbaker >Farm for Sale http://discover-net.net/~nbaker/farm.html > >>Big and Beutiful is a state of mind, Never let anyone tell you different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2000 Report Share Posted July 16, 2000 Hi welcome newcomer,(whats your name????) Re exercise. I used to do a lot of weightlifting, but I overdid it, I have a very small frame and I was lifting weights too heavy for my small muscles and burned myself out. Didn't know i had CMT then. The weightlifting did help build up my (upper) legs but not my arms. I still go to the gym occasionaly but mainly go for the cardio on the stationary bicycles or eliptical machine.(which by the way is easier on knees). And I do lots of stretching afterwards. Lately, I've gone back to swimming (sure takes the pressure off sore feet). I love the water and I really relax in it after swimming some lengths for 15-20 mins. I relax by just floating, lying on my back and relaxing, or I hold my breath and float face down and try to go completely limp. This feels so peaceful. I feel great after a good swim. I had swimming lessons in grade 9 and this really helped get over any fears about deep water. I would really reccommend aquasize (exercise in the water) as I found this is a great way to get a good workout without heavy weightbearing. I no longer walk for more than a few yards because my feet are deformed from very high arches and claw toes, and it is way too painful to walk on hard surfaces like pavement and concrete or floors without carpet. But I think walking is great, especially since it gets you outdoors. I have tried Yoga and some of the exercises are good, but I don't manage the standing exercises well, so mainly do just the sitting and lying down ones. Yoga is also good for deep relaxation. I also can't wear regular shoes as I need a shoe with a large toe box and very wide width. I wear New Balance 877 running shoes, theyre very comfortable and they accomodate my orthotics and have extra cusioning for the forefoot and heel which I need. but theyre not dress shoes! Good luck finding the exercise that suits you best, and welcome to this list!. At 10:32 PM 7/16/2000 -0000, you wrote: >Hi, everyone. I guess I did something wrong yesterday and didn't post >when I thought I did. Then had to run out. So... trying again >today. I'm new to the group, but already have gotten some good >insights. Thanks. > >I'm female, 61. Diagnosed about 10 years ago with CMT II. The Dx gave >me answers to really my whole life -- like why I had fallen a zillion >times, why I couldn't do sports, why I couldn't get past a certain >point in piano playing no matter how hard I tried, etc, etc, etc. I'm >sure you know the routine! So the Dx was a good thing. Through the >ten years I have finally found some (a few) sensitive and informed >doctors who know what the thing is, first, and who give at least some >reasonable advice about dealing with it. > >Unfortunately I waited way too long (I think) to get orthotics with >the result that my knees are shot, I think from trying to compensate >for pronating feet and simply wearing out in the process. Have others >had this happen - that the knees are gone, or painful because of >deterioration? Really until the knees got so bad, the CMT was >manageable. Not good, but manageable. I have just learned not to do a >lot of things, and learned that in fact I can't do a lot of things >and it causes me pain or falls or soreness when I do them. > >The orthotics are good, but foot drop and deadness in one foot has >progressed to the point where the orthopedist is recommending an >articulating AFO for that foot. I would love to hear from others who >have that kind of brace. I haven't ordered it yet because I've got a >knee brace on the other knee and it's a monster. I don't think I can >wear both at once and expect to walk and must wear the knee brace to >alleviate pain in the knee. By the way, it's a " G-II Unloader " in >case anyone has one. For pain relief it is wonderful! > >Shoes are a continual problem, especially since I still work full >time in a business environment and would like to be able to wear >something that's not a boat. Any ideas would be welcome, especially >re what works with an AFO. > >What do you use for pain? I have found anti-inflammatories, both OTC >and prescription, to have so many side effects, especially edema. I >take a lot of tylenol and a few anti-inflams when I feel desperate. >Don't want to take a pain killer that knocks me out for driving, >working, etc. Any ideas, experience? > >As far as CMT itself, my feet are the worst. I mentioned pronating >and have orthotics which help a good deal. One foot is getting dead >from tips of toes about halfway up the foot. It has feeling, but >doesn't work well. Lots of muscle wasting, I guess. Lots of foot >drop. The other foot is much better, but the big toe is getting >weaker. That's the way the other foot behaved at first. Very high >arches. > >Hands - I see a lot of wasting, but not clawed yet. Still type a lot >on computer keyboard, although I'm not as accurate as a few years ago >(thank goodness for spelling checkers, etc). Can still play the piano >fairly well, although can't do rapid, finger-exercise kinds of >things. Must be careful about what I lift. Also, if I type a good >deal in a day, my lower arms will ache in the evenings. > >BTW, my mom (85) has a lighter case of CMT than I, but did test >positively for it. However, she has an extreme curvature of the >spine. I think it's the CMT and not osteoporosis. Any stories about >spines and CMT? > >Finally, what do you do for exercise? Weights? Swim? Walk? What? With >my knees so shot, I'm having trouble with anything I can do without >causing myself much pain, except I do have some exercises that I do >sitting or lying down that were designed for folks with bad knees. >What has worked for you? Cheers. I look forward to your replies! > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963786762/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 Thanks for your reply. I'm Carolyn. I'm sure I've been doing a good deal of trying to not have this disease, therefore overworking, especially my feet & knees. But having come from a long line of hypochondriacs (!) it's probably a natural thing. Yesterday I was on my feet too much, and today I'm paying for it with even poorer balance. Bummer. Oh, well, it could be worse, and maybe next time I'll be a bit more cautious. I think I will start the water exercises. I understand the Arthritis Foundation sponsors a number of classes here (I'm in San , Texas.) Sounds like fun! > >Hi, everyone. I guess I did something wrong yesterday and didn't post > >when I thought I did. Then had to run out. So... trying again > >today. I'm new to the group, but already have gotten some good > >insights. Thanks. > > > >I'm female, 61. Diagnosed about 10 years ago with CMT II. The Dx gave > >me answers to really my whole life -- like why I had fallen a zillion > >times, why I couldn't do sports, why I couldn't get past a certain > >point in piano playing no matter how hard I tried, etc, etc, etc. I'm > >sure you know the routine! So the Dx was a good thing. Through the > >ten years I have finally found some (a few) sensitive and informed > >doctors who know what the thing is, first, and who give at least some > >reasonable advice about dealing with it. > > > >Unfortunately I waited way too long (I think) to get orthotics with > >the result that my knees are shot, I think from trying to compensate > >for pronating feet and simply wearing out in the process. Have others > >had this happen - that the knees are gone, or painful because of > >deterioration? Really until the knees got so bad, the CMT was > >manageable. Not good, but manageable. I have just learned not to do a > >lot of things, and learned that in fact I can't do a lot of things > >and it causes me pain or falls or soreness when I do them. > > > >The orthotics are good, but foot drop and deadness in one foot has > >progressed to the point where the orthopedist is recommending an > >articulating AFO for that foot. I would love to hear from others who > >have that kind of brace. I haven't ordered it yet because I've got a > >knee brace on the other knee and it's a monster. I don't think I can > >wear both at once and expect to walk and must wear the knee brace to > >alleviate pain in the knee. By the way, it's a " G-II Unloader " in > >case anyone has one. For pain relief it is wonderful! > > > >Shoes are a continual problem, especially since I still work full > >time in a business environment and would like to be able to wear > >something that's not a boat. Any ideas would be welcome, especially > >re what works with an AFO. > > > >What do you use for pain? I have found anti-inflammatories, both OTC > >and prescription, to have so many side effects, especially edema. I > >take a lot of tylenol and a few anti-inflams when I feel desperate. > >Don't want to take a pain killer that knocks me out for driving, > >working, etc. Any ideas, experience? > > > >As far as CMT itself, my feet are the worst. I mentioned pronating > >and have orthotics which help a good deal. One foot is getting dead > >from tips of toes about halfway up the foot. It has feeling, but > >doesn't work well. Lots of muscle wasting, I guess. Lots of foot > >drop. The other foot is much better, but the big toe is getting > >weaker. That's the way the other foot behaved at first. Very high > >arches. > > > >Hands - I see a lot of wasting, but not clawed yet. Still type a lot > >on computer keyboard, although I'm not as accurate as a few years ago > >(thank goodness for spelling checkers, etc). Can still play the piano > >fairly well, although can't do rapid, finger-exercise kinds of > >things. Must be careful about what I lift. Also, if I type a good > >deal in a day, my lower arms will ache in the evenings. > > > >BTW, my mom (85) has a lighter case of CMT than I, but did test > >positively for it. However, she has an extreme curvature of the > >spine. I think it's the CMT and not osteoporosis. Any stories about > >spines and CMT? > > > >Finally, what do you do for exercise? Weights? Swim? Walk? What? With > >my knees so shot, I'm having trouble with anything I can do without > >causing myself much pain, except I do have some exercises that I do > >sitting or lying down that were designed for folks with bad knees. > >What has worked for you? Cheers. I look forward to your replies! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963786762/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 Thanks for your reply. I'm Carolyn. I'm sure I've been doing a good deal of trying to not have this disease, therefore overworking, especially my feet & knees. But having come from a long line of hypochondriacs (!) it's probably a natural thing. Yesterday I was on my feet too much, and today I'm paying for it with even poorer balance. Bummer. Oh, well, it could be worse, and maybe next time I'll be a bit more cautious. I think I will start the water exercises. I understand the Arthritis Foundation sponsors a number of classes here (I'm in San , Texas.) Sounds like fun! > >Hi, everyone. I guess I did something wrong yesterday and didn't post > >when I thought I did. Then had to run out. So... trying again > >today. I'm new to the group, but already have gotten some good > >insights. Thanks. > > > >I'm female, 61. Diagnosed about 10 years ago with CMT II. The Dx gave > >me answers to really my whole life -- like why I had fallen a zillion > >times, why I couldn't do sports, why I couldn't get past a certain > >point in piano playing no matter how hard I tried, etc, etc, etc. I'm > >sure you know the routine! So the Dx was a good thing. Through the > >ten years I have finally found some (a few) sensitive and informed > >doctors who know what the thing is, first, and who give at least some > >reasonable advice about dealing with it. > > > >Unfortunately I waited way too long (I think) to get orthotics with > >the result that my knees are shot, I think from trying to compensate > >for pronating feet and simply wearing out in the process. Have others > >had this happen - that the knees are gone, or painful because of > >deterioration? Really until the knees got so bad, the CMT was > >manageable. Not good, but manageable. I have just learned not to do a > >lot of things, and learned that in fact I can't do a lot of things > >and it causes me pain or falls or soreness when I do them. > > > >The orthotics are good, but foot drop and deadness in one foot has > >progressed to the point where the orthopedist is recommending an > >articulating AFO for that foot. I would love to hear from others who > >have that kind of brace. I haven't ordered it yet because I've got a > >knee brace on the other knee and it's a monster. I don't think I can > >wear both at once and expect to walk and must wear the knee brace to > >alleviate pain in the knee. By the way, it's a " G-II Unloader " in > >case anyone has one. For pain relief it is wonderful! > > > >Shoes are a continual problem, especially since I still work full > >time in a business environment and would like to be able to wear > >something that's not a boat. Any ideas would be welcome, especially > >re what works with an AFO. > > > >What do you use for pain? I have found anti-inflammatories, both OTC > >and prescription, to have so many side effects, especially edema. I > >take a lot of tylenol and a few anti-inflams when I feel desperate. > >Don't want to take a pain killer that knocks me out for driving, > >working, etc. Any ideas, experience? > > > >As far as CMT itself, my feet are the worst. I mentioned pronating > >and have orthotics which help a good deal. One foot is getting dead > >from tips of toes about halfway up the foot. It has feeling, but > >doesn't work well. Lots of muscle wasting, I guess. Lots of foot > >drop. The other foot is much better, but the big toe is getting > >weaker. That's the way the other foot behaved at first. Very high > >arches. > > > >Hands - I see a lot of wasting, but not clawed yet. Still type a lot > >on computer keyboard, although I'm not as accurate as a few years ago > >(thank goodness for spelling checkers, etc). Can still play the piano > >fairly well, although can't do rapid, finger-exercise kinds of > >things. Must be careful about what I lift. Also, if I type a good > >deal in a day, my lower arms will ache in the evenings. > > > >BTW, my mom (85) has a lighter case of CMT than I, but did test > >positively for it. However, she has an extreme curvature of the > >spine. I think it's the CMT and not osteoporosis. Any stories about > >spines and CMT? > > > >Finally, what do you do for exercise? Weights? Swim? Walk? What? With > >my knees so shot, I'm having trouble with anything I can do without > >causing myself much pain, except I do have some exercises that I do > >sitting or lying down that were designed for folks with bad knees. > >What has worked for you? Cheers. I look forward to your replies! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963786762/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 Thanks for your reply. I'm Carolyn. I'm sure I've been doing a good deal of trying to not have this disease, therefore overworking, especially my feet & knees. But having come from a long line of hypochondriacs (!) it's probably a natural thing. Yesterday I was on my feet too much, and today I'm paying for it with even poorer balance. Bummer. Oh, well, it could be worse, and maybe next time I'll be a bit more cautious. I think I will start the water exercises. I understand the Arthritis Foundation sponsors a number of classes here (I'm in San , Texas.) Sounds like fun! > >Hi, everyone. I guess I did something wrong yesterday and didn't post > >when I thought I did. Then had to run out. So... trying again > >today. I'm new to the group, but already have gotten some good > >insights. Thanks. > > > >I'm female, 61. Diagnosed about 10 years ago with CMT II. The Dx gave > >me answers to really my whole life -- like why I had fallen a zillion > >times, why I couldn't do sports, why I couldn't get past a certain > >point in piano playing no matter how hard I tried, etc, etc, etc. I'm > >sure you know the routine! So the Dx was a good thing. Through the > >ten years I have finally found some (a few) sensitive and informed > >doctors who know what the thing is, first, and who give at least some > >reasonable advice about dealing with it. > > > >Unfortunately I waited way too long (I think) to get orthotics with > >the result that my knees are shot, I think from trying to compensate > >for pronating feet and simply wearing out in the process. Have others > >had this happen - that the knees are gone, or painful because of > >deterioration? Really until the knees got so bad, the CMT was > >manageable. Not good, but manageable. I have just learned not to do a > >lot of things, and learned that in fact I can't do a lot of things > >and it causes me pain or falls or soreness when I do them. > > > >The orthotics are good, but foot drop and deadness in one foot has > >progressed to the point where the orthopedist is recommending an > >articulating AFO for that foot. I would love to hear from others who > >have that kind of brace. I haven't ordered it yet because I've got a > >knee brace on the other knee and it's a monster. I don't think I can > >wear both at once and expect to walk and must wear the knee brace to > >alleviate pain in the knee. By the way, it's a " G-II Unloader " in > >case anyone has one. For pain relief it is wonderful! > > > >Shoes are a continual problem, especially since I still work full > >time in a business environment and would like to be able to wear > >something that's not a boat. Any ideas would be welcome, especially > >re what works with an AFO. > > > >What do you use for pain? I have found anti-inflammatories, both OTC > >and prescription, to have so many side effects, especially edema. I > >take a lot of tylenol and a few anti-inflams when I feel desperate. > >Don't want to take a pain killer that knocks me out for driving, > >working, etc. Any ideas, experience? > > > >As far as CMT itself, my feet are the worst. I mentioned pronating > >and have orthotics which help a good deal. One foot is getting dead > >from tips of toes about halfway up the foot. It has feeling, but > >doesn't work well. Lots of muscle wasting, I guess. Lots of foot > >drop. The other foot is much better, but the big toe is getting > >weaker. That's the way the other foot behaved at first. Very high > >arches. > > > >Hands - I see a lot of wasting, but not clawed yet. Still type a lot > >on computer keyboard, although I'm not as accurate as a few years ago > >(thank goodness for spelling checkers, etc). Can still play the piano > >fairly well, although can't do rapid, finger-exercise kinds of > >things. Must be careful about what I lift. Also, if I type a good > >deal in a day, my lower arms will ache in the evenings. > > > >BTW, my mom (85) has a lighter case of CMT than I, but did test > >positively for it. However, she has an extreme curvature of the > >spine. I think it's the CMT and not osteoporosis. Any stories about > >spines and CMT? > > > >Finally, what do you do for exercise? Weights? Swim? Walk? What? With > >my knees so shot, I'm having trouble with anything I can do without > >causing myself much pain, except I do have some exercises that I do > >sitting or lying down that were designed for folks with bad knees. > >What has worked for you? Cheers. I look forward to your replies! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963786762/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 > >Hi, everyone. I guess I did something wrong yesterday and didn't post > >when I thought I did. Then had to run out. So... trying again > >today. I'm new to the group, but already have gotten some good > >insights. Thanks. > > > >I'm female, 61. Diagnosed about 10 years ago with CMT II. The Dx gave > >me answers to really my whole life -- like why I had fallen a zillion > >times, why I couldn't do sports, why I couldn't get past a certain > >point in piano playing no matter how hard I tried, etc, etc, etc. I'm > >sure you know the routine! So the Dx was a good thing. Through the > >ten years I have finally found some (a few) sensitive and informed > >doctors who know what the thing is, first, and who give at least some > >reasonable advice about dealing with it. > > > >Unfortunately I waited way too long (I think) to get orthotics with > >the result that my knees are shot, I think from trying to compensate > >for pronating feet and simply wearing out in the process. Have others > >had this happen - that the knees are gone, or painful because of > >deterioration? Really until the knees got so bad, the CMT was > >manageable. Not good, but manageable. I have just learned not to do a > >lot of things, and learned that in fact I can't do a lot of things > >and it causes me pain or falls or soreness when I do them. > > > >The orthotics are good, but foot drop and deadness in one foot has > >progressed to the point where the orthopedist is recommending an > >articulating AFO for that foot. I would love to hear from others who > >have that kind of brace. I haven't ordered it yet because I've got a > >knee brace on the other knee and it's a monster. I don't think I can > >wear both at once and expect to walk and must wear the knee brace to > >alleviate pain in the knee. By the way, it's a " G-II Unloader " in > >case anyone has one. For pain relief it is wonderful! > > > >Shoes are a continual problem, especially since I still work full > >time in a business environment and would like to be able to wear > >something that's not a boat. Any ideas would be welcome, especially > >re what works with an AFO. > > > >What do you use for pain? I have found anti-inflammatories, both OTC > >and prescription, to have so many side effects, especially edema. I > >take a lot of tylenol and a few anti-inflams when I feel desperate. > >Don't want to take a pain killer that knocks me out for driving, > >working, etc. Any ideas, experience? > > > >As far as CMT itself, my feet are the worst. I mentioned pronating > >and have orthotics which help a good deal. One foot is getting dead > >from tips of toes about halfway up the foot. It has feeling, but > >doesn't work well. Lots of muscle wasting, I guess. Lots of foot > >drop. The other foot is much better, but the big toe is getting > >weaker. That's the way the other foot behaved at first. Very high > >arches. > > > >Hands - I see a lot of wasting, but not clawed yet. Still type a lot > >on computer keyboard, although I'm not as accurate as a few years ago > >(thank goodness for spelling checkers, etc). Can still play the piano > >fairly well, although can't do rapid, finger-exercise kinds of > >things. Must be careful about what I lift. Also, if I type a good > >deal in a day, my lower arms will ache in the evenings. > > > >BTW, my mom (85) has a lighter case of CMT than I, but did test > >positively for it. However, she has an extreme curvature of the > >spine. I think it's the CMT and not osteoporosis. Any stories about > >spines and CMT? > > > >Finally, what do you do for exercise? Weights? Swim? Walk? What? With > >my knees so shot, I'm having trouble with anything I can do without > >causing myself much pain, except I do have some exercises that I do > >sitting or lying down that were designed for folks with bad knees. > >What has worked for you? Cheers. I look forward to your replies! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963786762/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 > >Hi, everyone. I guess I did something wrong yesterday and didn't post > >when I thought I did. Then had to run out. So... trying again > >today. I'm new to the group, but already have gotten some good > >insights. Thanks. > > > >I'm female, 61. Diagnosed about 10 years ago with CMT II. The Dx gave > >me answers to really my whole life -- like why I had fallen a zillion > >times, why I couldn't do sports, why I couldn't get past a certain > >point in piano playing no matter how hard I tried, etc, etc, etc. I'm > >sure you know the routine! So the Dx was a good thing. Through the > >ten years I have finally found some (a few) sensitive and informed > >doctors who know what the thing is, first, and who give at least some > >reasonable advice about dealing with it. > > > >Unfortunately I waited way too long (I think) to get orthotics with > >the result that my knees are shot, I think from trying to compensate > >for pronating feet and simply wearing out in the process. Have others > >had this happen - that the knees are gone, or painful because of > >deterioration? Really until the knees got so bad, the CMT was > >manageable. Not good, but manageable. I have just learned not to do a > >lot of things, and learned that in fact I can't do a lot of things > >and it causes me pain or falls or soreness when I do them. > > > >The orthotics are good, but foot drop and deadness in one foot has > >progressed to the point where the orthopedist is recommending an > >articulating AFO for that foot. I would love to hear from others who > >have that kind of brace. I haven't ordered it yet because I've got a > >knee brace on the other knee and it's a monster. I don't think I can > >wear both at once and expect to walk and must wear the knee brace to > >alleviate pain in the knee. By the way, it's a " G-II Unloader " in > >case anyone has one. For pain relief it is wonderful! > > > >Shoes are a continual problem, especially since I still work full > >time in a business environment and would like to be able to wear > >something that's not a boat. Any ideas would be welcome, especially > >re what works with an AFO. > > > >What do you use for pain? I have found anti-inflammatories, both OTC > >and prescription, to have so many side effects, especially edema. I > >take a lot of tylenol and a few anti-inflams when I feel desperate. > >Don't want to take a pain killer that knocks me out for driving, > >working, etc. Any ideas, experience? > > > >As far as CMT itself, my feet are the worst. I mentioned pronating > >and have orthotics which help a good deal. One foot is getting dead > >from tips of toes about halfway up the foot. It has feeling, but > >doesn't work well. Lots of muscle wasting, I guess. Lots of foot > >drop. The other foot is much better, but the big toe is getting > >weaker. That's the way the other foot behaved at first. Very high > >arches. > > > >Hands - I see a lot of wasting, but not clawed yet. Still type a lot > >on computer keyboard, although I'm not as accurate as a few years ago > >(thank goodness for spelling checkers, etc). Can still play the piano > >fairly well, although can't do rapid, finger-exercise kinds of > >things. Must be careful about what I lift. Also, if I type a good > >deal in a day, my lower arms will ache in the evenings. > > > >BTW, my mom (85) has a lighter case of CMT than I, but did test > >positively for it. However, she has an extreme curvature of the > >spine. I think it's the CMT and not osteoporosis. Any stories about > >spines and CMT? > > > >Finally, what do you do for exercise? Weights? Swim? Walk? What? With > >my knees so shot, I'm having trouble with anything I can do without > >causing myself much pain, except I do have some exercises that I do > >sitting or lying down that were designed for folks with bad knees. > >What has worked for you? Cheers. I look forward to your replies! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963786762/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 > >Hi, everyone. I guess I did something wrong yesterday and didn't post > >when I thought I did. Then had to run out. So... trying again > >today. I'm new to the group, but already have gotten some good > >insights. Thanks. > > > >I'm female, 61. Diagnosed about 10 years ago with CMT II. The Dx gave > >me answers to really my whole life -- like why I had fallen a zillion > >times, why I couldn't do sports, why I couldn't get past a certain > >point in piano playing no matter how hard I tried, etc, etc, etc. I'm > >sure you know the routine! So the Dx was a good thing. Through the > >ten years I have finally found some (a few) sensitive and informed > >doctors who know what the thing is, first, and who give at least some > >reasonable advice about dealing with it. > > > >Unfortunately I waited way too long (I think) to get orthotics with > >the result that my knees are shot, I think from trying to compensate > >for pronating feet and simply wearing out in the process. Have others > >had this happen - that the knees are gone, or painful because of > >deterioration? Really until the knees got so bad, the CMT was > >manageable. Not good, but manageable. I have just learned not to do a > >lot of things, and learned that in fact I can't do a lot of things > >and it causes me pain or falls or soreness when I do them. > > > >The orthotics are good, but foot drop and deadness in one foot has > >progressed to the point where the orthopedist is recommending an > >articulating AFO for that foot. I would love to hear from others who > >have that kind of brace. I haven't ordered it yet because I've got a > >knee brace on the other knee and it's a monster. I don't think I can > >wear both at once and expect to walk and must wear the knee brace to > >alleviate pain in the knee. By the way, it's a " G-II Unloader " in > >case anyone has one. For pain relief it is wonderful! > > > >Shoes are a continual problem, especially since I still work full > >time in a business environment and would like to be able to wear > >something that's not a boat. Any ideas would be welcome, especially > >re what works with an AFO. > > > >What do you use for pain? I have found anti-inflammatories, both OTC > >and prescription, to have so many side effects, especially edema. I > >take a lot of tylenol and a few anti-inflams when I feel desperate. > >Don't want to take a pain killer that knocks me out for driving, > >working, etc. Any ideas, experience? > > > >As far as CMT itself, my feet are the worst. I mentioned pronating > >and have orthotics which help a good deal. One foot is getting dead > >from tips of toes about halfway up the foot. It has feeling, but > >doesn't work well. Lots of muscle wasting, I guess. Lots of foot > >drop. The other foot is much better, but the big toe is getting > >weaker. That's the way the other foot behaved at first. Very high > >arches. > > > >Hands - I see a lot of wasting, but not clawed yet. Still type a lot > >on computer keyboard, although I'm not as accurate as a few years ago > >(thank goodness for spelling checkers, etc). Can still play the piano > >fairly well, although can't do rapid, finger-exercise kinds of > >things. Must be careful about what I lift. Also, if I type a good > >deal in a day, my lower arms will ache in the evenings. > > > >BTW, my mom (85) has a lighter case of CMT than I, but did test > >positively for it. However, she has an extreme curvature of the > >spine. I think it's the CMT and not osteoporosis. Any stories about > >spines and CMT? > > > >Finally, what do you do for exercise? Weights? Swim? Walk? What? With > >my knees so shot, I'm having trouble with anything I can do without > >causing myself much pain, except I do have some exercises that I do > >sitting or lying down that were designed for folks with bad knees. > >What has worked for you? Cheers. I look forward to your replies! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963786762/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 Thanks for your reply. I'm Carolyn. I'm sure I've been doing a good deal of trying to not have this disease, therefore overworking, especially my feet & knees. But having come from a long line of hypochondriacs (!) it's probably a natural thing. Yesterday I was on my feet too much, and today I'm paying for it with even poorer balance. Bummer. Oh, well, it could be worse, and maybe next time I'll be a bit more cautious. I think I will start the water exercises. I understand the Arthritis Foundation sponsors a number of classes here (I'm in San , Texas.) Sounds like fun! > >Hi, everyone. I guess I did something wrong yesterday and didn't post > >when I thought I did. Then had to run out. So... trying again > >today. I'm new to the group, but already have gotten some good > >insights. Thanks. > > > >I'm female, 61. Diagnosed about 10 years ago with CMT II. The Dx gave > >me answers to really my whole life -- like why I had fallen a zillion > >times, why I couldn't do sports, why I couldn't get past a certain > >point in piano playing no matter how hard I tried, etc, etc, etc. I'm > >sure you know the routine! So the Dx was a good thing. Through the > >ten years I have finally found some (a few) sensitive and informed > >doctors who know what the thing is, first, and who give at least some > >reasonable advice about dealing with it. > > > >Unfortunately I waited way too long (I think) to get orthotics with > >the result that my knees are shot, I think from trying to compensate > >for pronating feet and simply wearing out in the process. Have others > >had this happen - that the knees are gone, or painful because of > >deterioration? Really until the knees got so bad, the CMT was > >manageable. Not good, but manageable. I have just learned not to do a > >lot of things, and learned that in fact I can't do a lot of things > >and it causes me pain or falls or soreness when I do them. > > > >The orthotics are good, but foot drop and deadness in one foot has > >progressed to the point where the orthopedist is recommending an > >articulating AFO for that foot. I would love to hear from others who > >have that kind of brace. I haven't ordered it yet because I've got a > >knee brace on the other knee and it's a monster. I don't think I can > >wear both at once and expect to walk and must wear the knee brace to > >alleviate pain in the knee. By the way, it's a " G-II Unloader " in > >case anyone has one. For pain relief it is wonderful! > > > >Shoes are a continual problem, especially since I still work full > >time in a business environment and would like to be able to wear > >something that's not a boat. Any ideas would be welcome, especially > >re what works with an AFO. > > > >What do you use for pain? I have found anti-inflammatories, both OTC > >and prescription, to have so many side effects, especially edema. I > >take a lot of tylenol and a few anti-inflams when I feel desperate. > >Don't want to take a pain killer that knocks me out for driving, > >working, etc. Any ideas, experience? > > > >As far as CMT itself, my feet are the worst. I mentioned pronating > >and have orthotics which help a good deal. One foot is getting dead > >from tips of toes about halfway up the foot. It has feeling, but > >doesn't work well. Lots of muscle wasting, I guess. Lots of foot > >drop. The other foot is much better, but the big toe is getting > >weaker. That's the way the other foot behaved at first. Very high > >arches. > > > >Hands - I see a lot of wasting, but not clawed yet. Still type a lot > >on computer keyboard, although I'm not as accurate as a few years ago > >(thank goodness for spelling checkers, etc). Can still play the piano > >fairly well, although can't do rapid, finger-exercise kinds of > >things. Must be careful about what I lift. Also, if I type a good > >deal in a day, my lower arms will ache in the evenings. > > > >BTW, my mom (85) has a lighter case of CMT than I, but did test > >positively for it. However, she has an extreme curvature of the > >spine. I think it's the CMT and not osteoporosis. Any stories about > >spines and CMT? > > > >Finally, what do you do for exercise? Weights? Swim? Walk? What? With > >my knees so shot, I'm having trouble with anything I can do without > >causing myself much pain, except I do have some exercises that I do > >sitting or lying down that were designed for folks with bad knees. > >What has worked for you? Cheers. I look forward to your replies! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963786762/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 Thanks for your reply. I'm Carolyn. I'm sure I've been doing a good deal of trying to not have this disease, therefore overworking, especially my feet & knees. But having come from a long line of hypochondriacs (!) it's probably a natural thing. Yesterday I was on my feet too much, and today I'm paying for it with even poorer balance. Bummer. Oh, well, it could be worse, and maybe next time I'll be a bit more cautious. I think I will start the water exercises. I understand the Arthritis Foundation sponsors a number of classes here (I'm in San , Texas.) Sounds like fun! > >Hi, everyone. I guess I did something wrong yesterday and didn't post > >when I thought I did. Then had to run out. So... trying again > >today. I'm new to the group, but already have gotten some good > >insights. Thanks. > > > >I'm female, 61. Diagnosed about 10 years ago with CMT II. The Dx gave > >me answers to really my whole life -- like why I had fallen a zillion > >times, why I couldn't do sports, why I couldn't get past a certain > >point in piano playing no matter how hard I tried, etc, etc, etc. I'm > >sure you know the routine! So the Dx was a good thing. Through the > >ten years I have finally found some (a few) sensitive and informed > >doctors who know what the thing is, first, and who give at least some > >reasonable advice about dealing with it. > > > >Unfortunately I waited way too long (I think) to get orthotics with > >the result that my knees are shot, I think from trying to compensate > >for pronating feet and simply wearing out in the process. Have others > >had this happen - that the knees are gone, or painful because of > >deterioration? Really until the knees got so bad, the CMT was > >manageable. Not good, but manageable. I have just learned not to do a > >lot of things, and learned that in fact I can't do a lot of things > >and it causes me pain or falls or soreness when I do them. > > > >The orthotics are good, but foot drop and deadness in one foot has > >progressed to the point where the orthopedist is recommending an > >articulating AFO for that foot. I would love to hear from others who > >have that kind of brace. I haven't ordered it yet because I've got a > >knee brace on the other knee and it's a monster. I don't think I can > >wear both at once and expect to walk and must wear the knee brace to > >alleviate pain in the knee. By the way, it's a " G-II Unloader " in > >case anyone has one. For pain relief it is wonderful! > > > >Shoes are a continual problem, especially since I still work full > >time in a business environment and would like to be able to wear > >something that's not a boat. Any ideas would be welcome, especially > >re what works with an AFO. > > > >What do you use for pain? I have found anti-inflammatories, both OTC > >and prescription, to have so many side effects, especially edema. I > >take a lot of tylenol and a few anti-inflams when I feel desperate. > >Don't want to take a pain killer that knocks me out for driving, > >working, etc. Any ideas, experience? > > > >As far as CMT itself, my feet are the worst. I mentioned pronating > >and have orthotics which help a good deal. One foot is getting dead > >from tips of toes about halfway up the foot. It has feeling, but > >doesn't work well. Lots of muscle wasting, I guess. Lots of foot > >drop. The other foot is much better, but the big toe is getting > >weaker. That's the way the other foot behaved at first. Very high > >arches. > > > >Hands - I see a lot of wasting, but not clawed yet. Still type a lot > >on computer keyboard, although I'm not as accurate as a few years ago > >(thank goodness for spelling checkers, etc). Can still play the piano > >fairly well, although can't do rapid, finger-exercise kinds of > >things. Must be careful about what I lift. Also, if I type a good > >deal in a day, my lower arms will ache in the evenings. > > > >BTW, my mom (85) has a lighter case of CMT than I, but did test > >positively for it. However, she has an extreme curvature of the > >spine. I think it's the CMT and not osteoporosis. Any stories about > >spines and CMT? > > > >Finally, what do you do for exercise? Weights? Swim? Walk? What? With > >my knees so shot, I'm having trouble with anything I can do without > >causing myself much pain, except I do have some exercises that I do > >sitting or lying down that were designed for folks with bad knees. > >What has worked for you? Cheers. I look forward to your replies! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963786762/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 Thanks for your reply. I'm Carolyn. I'm sure I've been doing a good deal of trying to not have this disease, therefore overworking, especially my feet & knees. But having come from a long line of hypochondriacs (!) it's probably a natural thing. Yesterday I was on my feet too much, and today I'm paying for it with even poorer balance. Bummer. Oh, well, it could be worse, and maybe next time I'll be a bit more cautious. I think I will start the water exercises. I understand the Arthritis Foundation sponsors a number of classes here (I'm in San , Texas.) Sounds like fun! > >Hi, everyone. I guess I did something wrong yesterday and didn't post > >when I thought I did. Then had to run out. So... trying again > >today. I'm new to the group, but already have gotten some good > >insights. Thanks. > > > >I'm female, 61. Diagnosed about 10 years ago with CMT II. The Dx gave > >me answers to really my whole life -- like why I had fallen a zillion > >times, why I couldn't do sports, why I couldn't get past a certain > >point in piano playing no matter how hard I tried, etc, etc, etc. I'm > >sure you know the routine! So the Dx was a good thing. Through the > >ten years I have finally found some (a few) sensitive and informed > >doctors who know what the thing is, first, and who give at least some > >reasonable advice about dealing with it. > > > >Unfortunately I waited way too long (I think) to get orthotics with > >the result that my knees are shot, I think from trying to compensate > >for pronating feet and simply wearing out in the process. Have others > >had this happen - that the knees are gone, or painful because of > >deterioration? Really until the knees got so bad, the CMT was > >manageable. Not good, but manageable. I have just learned not to do a > >lot of things, and learned that in fact I can't do a lot of things > >and it causes me pain or falls or soreness when I do them. > > > >The orthotics are good, but foot drop and deadness in one foot has > >progressed to the point where the orthopedist is recommending an > >articulating AFO for that foot. I would love to hear from others who > >have that kind of brace. I haven't ordered it yet because I've got a > >knee brace on the other knee and it's a monster. I don't think I can > >wear both at once and expect to walk and must wear the knee brace to > >alleviate pain in the knee. By the way, it's a " G-II Unloader " in > >case anyone has one. For pain relief it is wonderful! > > > >Shoes are a continual problem, especially since I still work full > >time in a business environment and would like to be able to wear > >something that's not a boat. Any ideas would be welcome, especially > >re what works with an AFO. > > > >What do you use for pain? I have found anti-inflammatories, both OTC > >and prescription, to have so many side effects, especially edema. I > >take a lot of tylenol and a few anti-inflams when I feel desperate. > >Don't want to take a pain killer that knocks me out for driving, > >working, etc. Any ideas, experience? > > > >As far as CMT itself, my feet are the worst. I mentioned pronating > >and have orthotics which help a good deal. One foot is getting dead > >from tips of toes about halfway up the foot. It has feeling, but > >doesn't work well. Lots of muscle wasting, I guess. Lots of foot > >drop. The other foot is much better, but the big toe is getting > >weaker. That's the way the other foot behaved at first. Very high > >arches. > > > >Hands - I see a lot of wasting, but not clawed yet. Still type a lot > >on computer keyboard, although I'm not as accurate as a few years ago > >(thank goodness for spelling checkers, etc). Can still play the piano > >fairly well, although can't do rapid, finger-exercise kinds of > >things. Must be careful about what I lift. Also, if I type a good > >deal in a day, my lower arms will ache in the evenings. > > > >BTW, my mom (85) has a lighter case of CMT than I, but did test > >positively for it. However, she has an extreme curvature of the > >spine. I think it's the CMT and not osteoporosis. Any stories about > >spines and CMT? > > > >Finally, what do you do for exercise? Weights? Swim? Walk? What? With > >my knees so shot, I'm having trouble with anything I can do without > >causing myself much pain, except I do have some exercises that I do > >sitting or lying down that were designed for folks with bad knees. > >What has worked for you? Cheers. I look forward to your replies! > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > >Life's too short to send boring email. Let SuperSig come to the rescue. > >http://click.egroups.com/1/6809/13/_/616793/_/963786762/ > >------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2001 Report Share Posted April 13, 2001 And don't we all do those exercises all the time. Add leaping in without looking, I do that one too. Love, Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 I to have noticed a change in flushing as a result of being in shape with my exercise routine. I rollerblade about 5 times a week 40 minutes across various grades, hills ect. And the more in shape my cardio-vascular the less I flush even during trigger times, such as the commen late-afternoon flush. Also a note exercise builds tissue...Hello collagen, more oxygen running through the body. But it's true you need to work up to it as any doctor would say don't over exert. Although I have had 5tx's and the majority of the worrisome capillary web is gone so I am not worried as much that I am contributing to the growth of these facial veins. What does Doctor Nase say about exercise and being in shape? Sincerly, K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 I to have noticed a change in flushing as a result of being in shape with my exercise routine. I rollerblade about 5 times a week 40 minutes across various grades, hills ect. And the more in shape my cardio-vascular the less I flush even during trigger times, such as the commen late-afternoon flush. Also a note exercise builds tissue...Hello collagen, more oxygen running through the body. But it's true you need to work up to it as any doctor would say don't over exert. Although I have had 5tx's and the majority of the worrisome capillary web is gone so I am not worried as much that I am contributing to the growth of these facial veins. What does Doctor Nase say about exercise and being in shape? Sincerly, K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 I to have noticed a change in flushing as a result of being in shape with my exercise routine. I rollerblade about 5 times a week 40 minutes across various grades, hills ect. And the more in shape my cardio-vascular the less I flush even during trigger times, such as the commen late-afternoon flush. Also a note exercise builds tissue...Hello collagen, more oxygen running through the body. But it's true you need to work up to it as any doctor would say don't over exert. Although I have had 5tx's and the majority of the worrisome capillary web is gone so I am not worried as much that I am contributing to the growth of these facial veins. What does Doctor Nase say about exercise and being in shape? Sincerly, K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 I used to go to the gym. Have had a membership since 1998. Even though I am still a member (until this August), I have not been at the gym since July 2001. The last time wiped me out completely and I have been unable (or maybe scared?) to try it again. I definitely cannot do any exercise when I am having this stuff going on. Just an excursion to the grocery store about kills me. When the pain and fatigue calm down, I do okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 >>>when I try to exercise, I feel WORSE! I always heard that exercise gives you more energy and makes you feel better. Well, that has never been the case for me. For as long as I can remember I was always exhausted after doing my exercise routine. I used free weights for legs & arms, & crunches and I always did it right before bed. I worked 2nd shift at a hospital and I would come home exercise, shower and then go to bed. I also drank caffine and it never wired me. Even when I worked doubles, I drank Mtn. Dew and it did nothing for me. Not even a sugar high. I guess I am just weird. Well, I just thought I'd share. Take care everyone!! ~ --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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