Re: New member introduction & amalgam removal question

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave

z

> free and specializes in the safe removal of mercury fillings. I am

> planning to chelate with DMSA then DMSA and alpha lipoic acid after

> removal of my fillings.

>

Are you experiencing any symptoms of mercury toxicity right now?

If not there is no need to use DMSA or DMPS.

cz

[Guest guest]

Beware of chelation. You should see a doc about this. For example,

check your liver health, gut health, etc. Also see:

www.dmpsbackfire.com

Good luck!

>

> Hi Dave

> z

> > free and specializes in the safe removal of mercury fillings. I

am

> > planning to chelate with DMSA then DMSA and alpha lipoic acid

after

> > removal of my fillings.

> >

>

> Are you experiencing any symptoms of mercury toxicity right now?

> If not there is no need to use DMSA or DMPS.

>

> cz

[Guest guest]

> Beware of chelation. You should see a doc about this. For example,

> check your liver health, gut health, etc. Also see:

> www.dmpsbackfire.com

>

I disagree with the above opinion. I think chelation can be

done with reasonable risk, and with benefit. Although DMPS

injections are not my idea of a good way to go.

Please feel free to read Andy's comments on " good " and " bad "

methods for chelation (schedules), as well as about DMPS

injuections, some of which you can find here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/files/ANDY_INDEX

best wishes,

Moria

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Dave

> z

> > free and specializes in the safe removal of mercury fillings. I

am

> > planning to chelate with DMSA then DMSA and alpha lipoic acid

after

> > removal of my fillings.

> >

>

> Are you experiencing any symptoms of mercury toxicity right now?

> If not there is no need to use DMSA or DMPS.

>

> cz

I don't expect people who are mercury toxic to be able to

distinguish which issues are caused by mercury. I'll admit

there are many that are " red flags " . But I would now go so

far as to say that someone who does not " experience " merc

toxic symptoms should write off chelation. I guess I would

first want to make sure that you have a comprehensive and

detailed list of merc symptoms (in order to answer cz's

question), and second I'd go by a hair test + Andy's " counting

rules " .

Moria

[Guest guest]

Dave: I'll put in my two cents worth here. I've been away so some one

may have written this already. But, you may not know what strange

quirks in your body are caused by mercury. How long have you had

fillings? Probably twenty years and then some. So that nagging lower

back pain or that strange odor you occasionally smell or the sensitivity

to light or irritability, etc... things you have accepted as part of who

you are - may in fact be mild symptoms of mercury poisoning. I was

amazed at the problems that cleared up after mercury removal that I

thought were just part of natural aging or caused by other things.

So after removing your amalgams I'd give chelation a try. I got very

ill while removing the fillings so you might want to try some increased

anti-oxidants, plenty of water and I find that psyllium really works to

remove the mercury I may have swallowed during amalgam removal. I wish

I'd used it while I was having the procedures done. Holly

[Guest guest]

Dave: I'll put in my two cents worth here. I've been away so some one

may have written this already. But, you may not know what strange

quirks in your body are caused by mercury. How long have you had

fillings? Probably twenty years and then some. So that nagging lower

back pain or that strange odor you occasionally smell or the sensitivity

to light or irritability, etc... things you have accepted as part of who

you are - may in fact be mild symptoms of mercury poisoning. I was

amazed at the problems that cleared up after mercury removal that I

thought were just part of natural aging or caused by other things.

So after removing your amalgams I'd give chelation a try. I got very

ill while removing the fillings so you might want to try some increased

anti-oxidants, plenty of water and I find that psyllium really works to

remove the mercury I may have swallowed during amalgam removal. I wish

I'd used it while I was having the procedures done. Holly

[Guest guest]

Dave: I'll put in my two cents worth here. I've been away so some one

may have written this already. But, you may not know what strange

quirks in your body are caused by mercury. How long have you had

fillings? Probably twenty years and then some. So that nagging lower

back pain or that strange odor you occasionally smell or the sensitivity

to light or irritability, etc... things you have accepted as part of who

you are - may in fact be mild symptoms of mercury poisoning. I was

amazed at the problems that cleared up after mercury removal that I

thought were just part of natural aging or caused by other things.

So after removing your amalgams I'd give chelation a try. I got very

ill while removing the fillings so you might want to try some increased

anti-oxidants, plenty of water and I find that psyllium really works to

remove the mercury I may have swallowed during amalgam removal. I wish

I'd used it while I was having the procedures done. Holly

[Guest guest]

> Dave: I'll put in my two cents worth here. I've been away so some

one

> may have written this already. But, you may not know what strange

> quirks in your body are caused by mercury. How long have you had

> fillings? Probably twenty years and then some. So that nagging

lower

> back pain or that strange odor you occasionally smell or the

sensitivity

> to light or irritability, etc... things you have accepted as part of

who

> you are - may in fact be mild symptoms of mercury poisoning. I was

> amazed at the problems that cleared up after mercury removal that I

> thought were just part of natural aging or caused by other things.

>

> So after removing your amalgams I'd give chelation a try. I got

very

> ill while removing the fillings so you might want to try some

increased

> anti-oxidants, plenty of water and I find that psyllium really works

to

> remove the mercury I may have swallowed during amalgam removal. I

wish

> I'd used it while I was having the procedures done. Holly

Thanks everyone for the reponses so far. I have had my fillings for

almost 30 years and am not sure if I have symptoms related to mercury.

I have always had some difficulty focusing on one issue at a time

(ADD?) and now have aches and pains of various types that are mild. I

feel that who knows how much better I might feel or health problems

that can avoided in the future (alzhiemer's, etc) if I minimize my

exposure (filling removal) and chelate safely.

I have an appointment in a month with my dentist to go over a

supplement program that he recommends/insists to be on during the

removal process so I will be posting then for opinions. My biggest

worry still is that he may not get all the mercury out. He said that

only once in a blue moon does he leave behind a speck of mercury.

Could a small speck of mercury filling left in a shallow cavity

underneath a composite filling be a problem during chelation? It

seems that the chelators would not be able to come in contact with the

mercury if it is trapped underneath the composite filling. I don't

know if this is worth worrying about or what I can do about it except

to make my worries known to my dentist and hope he gets all the

filling material. Thanks again.

Dave

[Guest guest]

> Dave: I'll put in my two cents worth here. I've been away so some

one

> may have written this already. But, you may not know what strange

> quirks in your body are caused by mercury. How long have you had

> fillings? Probably twenty years and then some. So that nagging

lower

> back pain or that strange odor you occasionally smell or the

sensitivity

> to light or irritability, etc... things you have accepted as part of

who

> you are - may in fact be mild symptoms of mercury poisoning. I was

> amazed at the problems that cleared up after mercury removal that I

> thought were just part of natural aging or caused by other things.

>

> So after removing your amalgams I'd give chelation a try. I got

very

> ill while removing the fillings so you might want to try some

increased

> anti-oxidants, plenty of water and I find that psyllium really works

to

> remove the mercury I may have swallowed during amalgam removal. I

wish

> I'd used it while I was having the procedures done. Holly

Thanks everyone for the reponses so far. I have had my fillings for

almost 30 years and am not sure if I have symptoms related to mercury.

I have always had some difficulty focusing on one issue at a time

(ADD?) and now have aches and pains of various types that are mild. I

feel that who knows how much better I might feel or health problems

that can avoided in the future (alzhiemer's, etc) if I minimize my

exposure (filling removal) and chelate safely.

I have an appointment in a month with my dentist to go over a

supplement program that he recommends/insists to be on during the

removal process so I will be posting then for opinions. My biggest

worry still is that he may not get all the mercury out. He said that

only once in a blue moon does he leave behind a speck of mercury.

Could a small speck of mercury filling left in a shallow cavity

underneath a composite filling be a problem during chelation? It

seems that the chelators would not be able to come in contact with the

mercury if it is trapped underneath the composite filling. I don't

know if this is worth worrying about or what I can do about it except

to make my worries known to my dentist and hope he gets all the

filling material. Thanks again.

Dave

[Guest guest]

> Dave: I'll put in my two cents worth here. I've been away so some

one

> may have written this already. But, you may not know what strange

> quirks in your body are caused by mercury. How long have you had

> fillings? Probably twenty years and then some. So that nagging

lower

> back pain or that strange odor you occasionally smell or the

sensitivity

> to light or irritability, etc... things you have accepted as part of

who

> you are - may in fact be mild symptoms of mercury poisoning. I was

> amazed at the problems that cleared up after mercury removal that I

> thought were just part of natural aging or caused by other things.

>

> So after removing your amalgams I'd give chelation a try. I got

very

> ill while removing the fillings so you might want to try some

increased

> anti-oxidants, plenty of water and I find that psyllium really works

to

> remove the mercury I may have swallowed during amalgam removal. I

wish

> I'd used it while I was having the procedures done. Holly

Thanks everyone for the reponses so far. I have had my fillings for

almost 30 years and am not sure if I have symptoms related to mercury.

I have always had some difficulty focusing on one issue at a time

(ADD?) and now have aches and pains of various types that are mild. I

feel that who knows how much better I might feel or health problems

that can avoided in the future (alzhiemer's, etc) if I minimize my

exposure (filling removal) and chelate safely.

I have an appointment in a month with my dentist to go over a

supplement program that he recommends/insists to be on during the

removal process so I will be posting then for opinions. My biggest

worry still is that he may not get all the mercury out. He said that

only once in a blue moon does he leave behind a speck of mercury.

Could a small speck of mercury filling left in a shallow cavity

underneath a composite filling be a problem during chelation? It

seems that the chelators would not be able to come in contact with the

mercury if it is trapped underneath the composite filling. I don't

know if this is worth worrying about or what I can do about it except

to make my worries known to my dentist and hope he gets all the

filling material. Thanks again.

Dave

[Guest guest]

Dave: Do a little research - you will find that in many studies of

amalgam related illnesses the amount of disability is refleted in the

number and size of amalgams. So, in the best of all world's your

dentist will remove every speck of mercury but just compare the little

specks here and there to the amount you are being exposed to daily with

all of your fillings in place. I had eighteen fillings removed, most of

them large and half of them cracked. I am still quite ill but nothing

like I was a year ago.Holly

[Guest guest]

Dave: Do a little research - you will find that in many studies of

amalgam related illnesses the amount of disability is refleted in the

number and size of amalgams. So, in the best of all world's your

dentist will remove every speck of mercury but just compare the little

specks here and there to the amount you are being exposed to daily with

all of your fillings in place. I had eighteen fillings removed, most of

them large and half of them cracked. I am still quite ill but nothing

like I was a year ago.Holly

[Guest guest]

Dave: Do a little research - you will find that in many studies of

amalgam related illnesses the amount of disability is refleted in the

number and size of amalgams. So, in the best of all world's your

dentist will remove every speck of mercury but just compare the little

specks here and there to the amount you are being exposed to daily with

all of your fillings in place. I had eighteen fillings removed, most of

them large and half of them cracked. I am still quite ill but nothing

like I was a year ago.Holly

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

My name is Dave . I'm brand new to the list. Have spent a little

time on the mercury-autism list, so I've picked up a few things, but am very

fuzzy on others. Next Monday I will have my last two mercury fillings removed.

After that I am anxious to begin chelation. I have some of the same questions

as Dave A. in the message below. Is it really that critical if there is some

mercury under a plastic filling or a crown? Would the chelating agents

actually

be able to interact with it in any way?

And is my dentist even able to tell for sure if I have remnants of mercury

amalgam

under crowns or plastic fillings? I'll ask him on Monday, but I'm wondering if

he'll

actually know the answer?

I have an aluminum question also, but I'll post it in a separate message.

Thanks to all for your help,

Dave

-------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:20:01 -0400

Subject: Subject: Re: Re: New member introduction & amalgam removal question

>>Dave: Do a little research - you will find that in many studies of

amalgam related illnesses the amount of disability is refleted in the

number and size of amalgams. So, in the best of all world's your

dentist will remove every speck of mercury but just compare the little

specks here and there to the amount you are being exposed to daily with

all of your fillings in place. I had eighteen fillings removed, most of

them large and half of them cracked. I am still quite ill but nothing

like I was a year ago.Holly>>

Thanks for the information. Do you think it will be safe to chelate

with DMSA if there is only minute amounts left underneath composite

fillings? I agree with your comments above and won't be worried about

small amounts of mercury left underneath fillings when I am not

chelating. I have heard many times that it can be very dangerous to

chelate while having mercury left in your teeth. I still am trying to

figure out why, if it is dangerous at all, to chelate with very small

amounts under fillings that a dentist might happen to miss.

Dave A.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

My name is Dave . I'm brand new to the list. Have spent a little

time on the mercury-autism list, so I've picked up a few things, but am very

fuzzy on others. Next Monday I will have my last two mercury fillings removed.

After that I am anxious to begin chelation. I have some of the same questions

as Dave A. in the message below. Is it really that critical if there is some

mercury under a plastic filling or a crown? Would the chelating agents

actually

be able to interact with it in any way?

And is my dentist even able to tell for sure if I have remnants of mercury

amalgam

under crowns or plastic fillings? I'll ask him on Monday, but I'm wondering if

he'll

actually know the answer?

I have an aluminum question also, but I'll post it in a separate message.

Thanks to all for your help,

Dave

-------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:20:01 -0400

Subject: Subject: Re: Re: New member introduction & amalgam removal question

>>Dave: Do a little research - you will find that in many studies of

amalgam related illnesses the amount of disability is refleted in the

number and size of amalgams. So, in the best of all world's your

dentist will remove every speck of mercury but just compare the little

specks here and there to the amount you are being exposed to daily with

all of your fillings in place. I had eighteen fillings removed, most of

them large and half of them cracked. I am still quite ill but nothing

like I was a year ago.Holly>>

Thanks for the information. Do you think it will be safe to chelate

with DMSA if there is only minute amounts left underneath composite

fillings? I agree with your comments above and won't be worried about

small amounts of mercury left underneath fillings when I am not

chelating. I have heard many times that it can be very dangerous to

chelate while having mercury left in your teeth. I still am trying to

figure out why, if it is dangerous at all, to chelate with very small

amounts under fillings that a dentist might happen to miss.

Dave A.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

My name is Dave . I'm brand new to the list. Have spent a little

time on the mercury-autism list, so I've picked up a few things, but am very

fuzzy on others. Next Monday I will have my last two mercury fillings removed.

After that I am anxious to begin chelation. I have some of the same questions

as Dave A. in the message below. Is it really that critical if there is some

mercury under a plastic filling or a crown? Would the chelating agents

actually

be able to interact with it in any way?

And is my dentist even able to tell for sure if I have remnants of mercury

amalgam

under crowns or plastic fillings? I'll ask him on Monday, but I'm wondering if

he'll

actually know the answer?

I have an aluminum question also, but I'll post it in a separate message.

Thanks to all for your help,

Dave

-------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 15:20:01 -0400

Subject: Subject: Re: Re: New member introduction & amalgam removal question

>>Dave: Do a little research - you will find that in many studies of

amalgam related illnesses the amount of disability is refleted in the

number and size of amalgams. So, in the best of all world's your

dentist will remove every speck of mercury but just compare the little

specks here and there to the amount you are being exposed to daily with

all of your fillings in place. I had eighteen fillings removed, most of

them large and half of them cracked. I am still quite ill but nothing

like I was a year ago.Holly>>

Thanks for the information. Do you think it will be safe to chelate

with DMSA if there is only minute amounts left underneath composite

fillings? I agree with your comments above and won't be worried about

small amounts of mercury left underneath fillings when I am not

chelating. I have heard many times that it can be very dangerous to

chelate while having mercury left in your teeth. I still am trying to

figure out why, if it is dangerous at all, to chelate with very small

amounts under fillings that a dentist might happen to miss.

Dave A.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

> And is my dentist even able to tell for sure if I have remnants of

> mercury amalgam under crowns or plastic fillings?

You ask good yet difficult questions. I'm no expert on chelation or on

mercury but I'll give you my opinion and experience.

Regarding mercury under a composite crown. First of all do you know

for sure that there isn't an amalgam (e.g. part-mercury) filling still

left under the composite crown? I just had a metal bridge removed and

there was an amalgam filling underneath. My dentist says this is VERY

common since traditonal dentists don't believe there's any harm in

leaving mercury fillings in your mouth. I had asked my (ex) dentist if

he could determine if there was mercury underneath the bridge or not

and he said he couldn't. I then went to a biological dentist who used

a technique called electrodermal screening and said that yes there was

mercury under the crown. But, he couldn't tell me if it was caused by

an amalgam filling or by remnants of an amalgam filling.

In my case I took the risk and started chelating without first

removing the bridge to try and identify the source and then discovered

(via a routine dental x-ray) that I had a large cavity under the

bridge. When the biological dentist removed the bridge to replace it

he found and pulled out the amalgam filling. In my case I wonder if

chelating started to dissolve part of the filling and helped the

cavity to form. I don't know and neither does my dentist but I do know

that I nearly lost the tooth due to this cavity that formed rather

quickly and that my chelation might have been the cause.

So, my advice is to find a biological dentist who does electrodermal

screening and has lots of experience with it to answer your question.

> Is it really that critical if there is some mercury under a plastic

> filling or a crown? Would the chelating agents actually be able

> to interact with it in any way?

This is question that I've not seen a good answer to. Yes, I do think

that cheating agents will bind to mercury anywhere in the mouth.

I think there's a bigger issue here. My bias from conversations with

my new dentist and with the DAMS office is that mercury in the mouth

is just one of a number of potential health problems related to dental

work. There's dead teeth, root canals, mixed metals (galvanization),

and jaw infections (cavitations) to consider as well. Next week I'm

having a consultation with my dentist where he's going to identify all

the potential problems he sees, and give me his opinion and prices on

which ones I need to treat and in what order.

This business of doing dental work to correct health probelms is very

very tricky. How do I know that spending $10,000-$20,000 on dental

work will make a major or even a minor difference for me? Some people

are affected more than others by dental problems. In my case I'm not

sick but I do have symptoms of ADD and I have a number of minor health

" nuisances " and I have a mouth full of dental work: a bridge, a bunch

of 'porcelain' fillings, and a couple of root canals. And, there are

LOTS of neurological problems in my family (schizophrenia, Alzheimers,

Parkinsons, to name a few) so I'm more motivated than some other folks

to burn money on things that will reduce the risk of major future

neurological problems.

In my opinion you have to consider a number of factors: Am I sick? Do

I have the money to spend? Do I have lots of dental work? Is there a

family history of serious disease? Do I have an intuition that

cleaning up dental work will help? Then, if you decide to proceed with

dental work find a competent biological dentist to help you decide

what to do and how to prioritze it.

In my case I just got out the last bit of mercury from my mouth. Will

I chelate? Probably, but first I'm going to try my dentist's

homeopathic approach to getting the mercury out since I'm starting to

get concerned about the harshness of DMSA and other agents as a first

resort. Would I worry about a small amount of remaining mercury if I

knew there was no filling there? Probably not but I'm not you. Will I

feel a difference from having the mercury out? Time and chelation will

tell.

By the way, my dentist believes that the body will naturally detoxify

mercury once there isn't a constant source of it. However, I've

certainly heard experiences of people being sick enough that it's not

wise to wait and see if the body detoxifies it.

So, I guess that my very long winded response to your concern about

the risk of chelating out remnants of mercury is that you should look

at it in the larger context of what else is in your mouth, what the

risk is of leaving the remnant there, what you stand to gain by

getting it out, what your health situation is, and what other things

you might be doing to improve your health. Of course, you can't

selectively chelate out mercury from some parts of your body and not

others so if your mercury load is large, as identified by a mercury

challenge using a chelation agent, then that's different than if the

only mercury in your entire body were in the remnant of the one

filling.

Just my 2 cents.

Sol

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

> And is my dentist even able to tell for sure if I have remnants of

> mercury amalgam under crowns or plastic fillings?

You ask good yet difficult questions. I'm no expert on chelation or on

mercury but I'll give you my opinion and experience.

Regarding mercury under a composite crown. First of all do you know

for sure that there isn't an amalgam (e.g. part-mercury) filling still

left under the composite crown? I just had a metal bridge removed and

there was an amalgam filling underneath. My dentist says this is VERY

common since traditonal dentists don't believe there's any harm in

leaving mercury fillings in your mouth. I had asked my (ex) dentist if

he could determine if there was mercury underneath the bridge or not

and he said he couldn't. I then went to a biological dentist who used

a technique called electrodermal screening and said that yes there was

mercury under the crown. But, he couldn't tell me if it was caused by

an amalgam filling or by remnants of an amalgam filling.

In my case I took the risk and started chelating without first

removing the bridge to try and identify the source and then discovered

(via a routine dental x-ray) that I had a large cavity under the

bridge. When the biological dentist removed the bridge to replace it

he found and pulled out the amalgam filling. In my case I wonder if

chelating started to dissolve part of the filling and helped the

cavity to form. I don't know and neither does my dentist but I do know

that I nearly lost the tooth due to this cavity that formed rather

quickly and that my chelation might have been the cause.

So, my advice is to find a biological dentist who does electrodermal

screening and has lots of experience with it to answer your question.

> Is it really that critical if there is some mercury under a plastic

> filling or a crown? Would the chelating agents actually be able

> to interact with it in any way?

This is question that I've not seen a good answer to. Yes, I do think

that cheating agents will bind to mercury anywhere in the mouth.

I think there's a bigger issue here. My bias from conversations with

my new dentist and with the DAMS office is that mercury in the mouth

is just one of a number of potential health problems related to dental

work. There's dead teeth, root canals, mixed metals (galvanization),

and jaw infections (cavitations) to consider as well. Next week I'm

having a consultation with my dentist where he's going to identify all

the potential problems he sees, and give me his opinion and prices on

which ones I need to treat and in what order.

This business of doing dental work to correct health probelms is very

very tricky. How do I know that spending $10,000-$20,000 on dental

work will make a major or even a minor difference for me? Some people

are affected more than others by dental problems. In my case I'm not

sick but I do have symptoms of ADD and I have a number of minor health

" nuisances " and I have a mouth full of dental work: a bridge, a bunch

of 'porcelain' fillings, and a couple of root canals. And, there are

LOTS of neurological problems in my family (schizophrenia, Alzheimers,

Parkinsons, to name a few) so I'm more motivated than some other folks

to burn money on things that will reduce the risk of major future

neurological problems.

In my opinion you have to consider a number of factors: Am I sick? Do

I have the money to spend? Do I have lots of dental work? Is there a

family history of serious disease? Do I have an intuition that

cleaning up dental work will help? Then, if you decide to proceed with

dental work find a competent biological dentist to help you decide

what to do and how to prioritze it.

In my case I just got out the last bit of mercury from my mouth. Will

I chelate? Probably, but first I'm going to try my dentist's

homeopathic approach to getting the mercury out since I'm starting to

get concerned about the harshness of DMSA and other agents as a first

resort. Would I worry about a small amount of remaining mercury if I

knew there was no filling there? Probably not but I'm not you. Will I

feel a difference from having the mercury out? Time and chelation will

tell.

By the way, my dentist believes that the body will naturally detoxify

mercury once there isn't a constant source of it. However, I've

certainly heard experiences of people being sick enough that it's not

wise to wait and see if the body detoxifies it.

So, I guess that my very long winded response to your concern about

the risk of chelating out remnants of mercury is that you should look

at it in the larger context of what else is in your mouth, what the

risk is of leaving the remnant there, what you stand to gain by

getting it out, what your health situation is, and what other things

you might be doing to improve your health. Of course, you can't

selectively chelate out mercury from some parts of your body and not

others so if your mercury load is large, as identified by a mercury

challenge using a chelation agent, then that's different than if the

only mercury in your entire body were in the remnant of the one

filling.

Just my 2 cents.

Sol

[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

> And is my dentist even able to tell for sure if I have remnants of

> mercury amalgam under crowns or plastic fillings?

You ask good yet difficult questions. I'm no expert on chelation or on

mercury but I'll give you my opinion and experience.

Regarding mercury under a composite crown. First of all do you know

for sure that there isn't an amalgam (e.g. part-mercury) filling still

left under the composite crown? I just had a metal bridge removed and

there was an amalgam filling underneath. My dentist says this is VERY

common since traditonal dentists don't believe there's any harm in

leaving mercury fillings in your mouth. I had asked my (ex) dentist if

he could determine if there was mercury underneath the bridge or not

and he said he couldn't. I then went to a biological dentist who used

a technique called electrodermal screening and said that yes there was

mercury under the crown. But, he couldn't tell me if it was caused by

an amalgam filling or by remnants of an amalgam filling.

In my case I took the risk and started chelating without first

removing the bridge to try and identify the source and then discovered

(via a routine dental x-ray) that I had a large cavity under the

bridge. When the biological dentist removed the bridge to replace it

he found and pulled out the amalgam filling. In my case I wonder if

chelating started to dissolve part of the filling and helped the

cavity to form. I don't know and neither does my dentist but I do know

that I nearly lost the tooth due to this cavity that formed rather

quickly and that my chelation might have been the cause.

So, my advice is to find a biological dentist who does electrodermal

screening and has lots of experience with it to answer your question.

> Is it really that critical if there is some mercury under a plastic

> filling or a crown? Would the chelating agents actually be able

> to interact with it in any way?

This is question that I've not seen a good answer to. Yes, I do think

that cheating agents will bind to mercury anywhere in the mouth.

I think there's a bigger issue here. My bias from conversations with

my new dentist and with the DAMS office is that mercury in the mouth

is just one of a number of potential health problems related to dental

work. There's dead teeth, root canals, mixed metals (galvanization),

and jaw infections (cavitations) to consider as well. Next week I'm

having a consultation with my dentist where he's going to identify all

the potential problems he sees, and give me his opinion and prices on

which ones I need to treat and in what order.

This business of doing dental work to correct health probelms is very

very tricky. How do I know that spending $10,000-$20,000 on dental

work will make a major or even a minor difference for me? Some people

are affected more than others by dental problems. In my case I'm not

sick but I do have symptoms of ADD and I have a number of minor health

" nuisances " and I have a mouth full of dental work: a bridge, a bunch

of 'porcelain' fillings, and a couple of root canals. And, there are

LOTS of neurological problems in my family (schizophrenia, Alzheimers,

Parkinsons, to name a few) so I'm more motivated than some other folks

to burn money on things that will reduce the risk of major future

neurological problems.

In my opinion you have to consider a number of factors: Am I sick? Do

I have the money to spend? Do I have lots of dental work? Is there a

family history of serious disease? Do I have an intuition that

cleaning up dental work will help? Then, if you decide to proceed with

dental work find a competent biological dentist to help you decide

what to do and how to prioritze it.

In my case I just got out the last bit of mercury from my mouth. Will

I chelate? Probably, but first I'm going to try my dentist's

homeopathic approach to getting the mercury out since I'm starting to

get concerned about the harshness of DMSA and other agents as a first

resort. Would I worry about a small amount of remaining mercury if I

knew there was no filling there? Probably not but I'm not you. Will I

feel a difference from having the mercury out? Time and chelation will

tell.

By the way, my dentist believes that the body will naturally detoxify

mercury once there isn't a constant source of it. However, I've

certainly heard experiences of people being sick enough that it's not

wise to wait and see if the body detoxifies it.

So, I guess that my very long winded response to your concern about

the risk of chelating out remnants of mercury is that you should look

at it in the larger context of what else is in your mouth, what the

risk is of leaving the remnant there, what you stand to gain by

getting it out, what your health situation is, and what other things

you might be doing to improve your health. Of course, you can't

selectively chelate out mercury from some parts of your body and not

others so if your mercury load is large, as identified by a mercury

challenge using a chelation agent, then that's different than if the

only mercury in your entire body were in the remnant of the one

filling.

Just my 2 cents.

Sol

[Guest guest]

Hi Sol,

What you say makes a lot of sense. It looks like first I'm going to have

to determine exactly what I have in my mouth. I think it's 5 crowns, one

root canal, and 2 fillings. The fillings will soon be gone. But I have no

idea if there's mercury under any of the crowns. And I'm assuming my

dentist won't know for sure from the x-rays whether the metal is mercury

or some other alloy. I need to check around the area for a biologic dentist.

And then I need to weigh the various considerations you mention to

decide what to do from there. Hmmm ...

Really appreciate your comments and help.

Thanks,

Dave

-----------------

Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 04:45:00 -0000

Subject: Re: New member introduction & amalgam removal question

Hi Dave,

> And is my dentist even able to tell for sure if I have remnants of

> mercury amalgam under crowns or plastic fillings?

You ask good yet difficult questions. I'm no expert on chelation or on

mercury but I'll give you my opinion and experience.

Regarding mercury under a composite crown. First of all do you know

for sure that there isn't an amalgam (e.g. part-mercury) filling still

left under the composite crown? I just had a metal bridge removed and

there was an amalgam filling underneath. My dentist says this is VERY

common since traditonal dentists don't believe there's any harm in

leaving mercury fillings in your mouth. I had asked my (ex) dentist if

he could determine if there was mercury underneath the bridge or not

and he said he couldn't. I then went to a biological dentist who used

a technique called electrodermal screening and said that yes there was

mercury under the crown. But, he couldn't tell me if it was caused by

an amalgam filling or by remnants of an amalgam filling.

In my case I took the risk and started chelating without first

removing the bridge to try and identify the source and then discovered

(via a routine dental x-ray) that I had a large cavity under the

bridge. When the biological dentist removed the bridge to replace it

he found and pulled out the amalgam filling. In my case I wonder if

chelating started to dissolve part of the filling and helped the

cavity to form. I don't know and neither does my dentist but I do know

that I nearly lost the tooth due to this cavity that formed rather

quickly and that my chelation might have been the cause.

So, my advice is to find a biological dentist who does electrodermal

screening and has lots of experience with it to answer your question.

> Is it really that critical if there is some mercury under a plastic

> filling or a crown? Would the chelating agents actually be able

> to interact with it in any way?

This is question that I've not seen a good answer to. Yes, I do think

that cheating agents will bind to mercury anywhere in the mouth.

I think there's a bigger issue here. My bias from conversations with

my new dentist and with the DAMS office is that mercury in the mouth

is just one of a number of potential health problems related to dental

work. There's dead teeth, root canals, mixed metals (galvanization),

and jaw infections (cavitations) to consider as well. Next week I'm

having a consultation with my dentist where he's going to identify all

the potential problems he sees, and give me his opinion and prices on

which ones I need to treat and in what order.

This business of doing dental work to correct health probelms is very

very tricky. How do I know that spending $10,000-$20,000 on dental

work will make a major or even a minor difference for me? Some people

are affected more than others by dental problems. In my case I'm not

sick but I do have symptoms of ADD and I have a number of minor health

" nuisances " and I have a mouth full of dental work: a bridge, a bunch

of 'porcelain' fillings, and a couple of root canals. And, there are

LOTS of neurological problems in my family (schizophrenia, Alzheimers,

Parkinsons, to name a few) so I'm more motivated than some other folks

to burn money on things that will reduce the risk of major future

neurological problems.

In my opinion you have to consider a number of factors: Am I sick? Do

I have the money to spend? Do I have lots of dental work? Is there a

family history of serious disease? Do I have an intuition that

cleaning up dental work will help? Then, if you decide to proceed with

dental work find a competent biological dentist to help you decide

what to do and how to prioritze it.

In my case I just got out the last bit of mercury from my mouth. Will

I chelate? Probably, but first I'm going to try my dentist's

homeopathic approach to getting the mercury out since I'm starting to

get concerned about the harshness of DMSA and other agents as a first

resort. Would I worry about a small amount of remaining mercury if I

knew there was no filling there? Probably not but I'm not you. Will I

feel a difference from having the mercury out? Time and chelation will

tell.

By the way, my dentist believes that the body will naturally detoxify

mercury once there isn't a constant source of it. However, I've

certainly heard experiences of people being sick enough that it's not

wise to wait and see if the body detoxifies it.

So, I guess that my very long winded response to your concern about

the risk of chelating out remnants of mercury is that you should look

at it in the larger context of what else is in your mouth, what the

risk is of leaving the remnant there, what you stand to gain by

getting it out, what your health situation is, and what other things

you might be doing to improve your health. Of course, you can't

selectively chelate out mercury from some parts of your body and not

others so if your mercury load is large, as identified by a mercury

challenge using a chelation agent, then that's different than if the

only mercury in your entire body were in the remnant of the one

filling.

Just my 2 cents.

Sol

[Guest guest]

Dave,

> And I'm assuming my dentist won't know for sure from the x-rays

whether the metal is mercury or some other alloy.

My non-biological dentist didn't have any way to determine if there

was mercury under the bridge or not. It's the same issue with a crown.

> I need to check around the area for a biologic dentist.

I'd strongly recommend you find a biological dentist to remove the

fillings because you'll be better off replacing them with non metallic

ones and your regular dentist might put want to put something like

palladium in your mouth which is a nasty metal. A bioloigcaldentist

will test for biocompatibility.

What city do you live in/near? I might be able to point you to one you

can interview.

Sol

[Guest guest]

> What city do you live in/near? I might be able to point you to one you

> can interview.

I'm in Oceanside, CA (San Diego County) ...

Dave

--------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:38:20 -0000

Subject: Re: New member introduction & amalgam removal question

Dave,

> And I'm assuming my dentist won't know for sure from the x-rays

whether the metal is mercury or some other alloy.

My non-biological dentist didn't have any way to determine if there

was mercury under the bridge or not. It's the same issue with a crown.

> I need to check around the area for a biologic dentist.

I'd strongly recommend you find a biological dentist to remove the

fillings because you'll be better off replacing them with non metallic

ones and your regular dentist might put want to put something like

palladium in your mouth which is a nasty metal. A bioloigcaldentist

will test for biocompatibility.

What city do you live in/near? I might be able to point you to one you

can interview.

Sol

[Guest guest]

Dave,

I'd recommend you contact the DAMS office:

NatlDAMS@...

Also, http://www.talkinternational.com/mfdsindex3d.htm lists some

dentists in California. I'm not sure which ones, if any, are near to

San Diego.

Sol

>

> > What city do you live in/near? I might be able to point you to one

you

> > can interview.

>

> I'm in Oceanside, CA (San Diego County) ...

>

> Dave

>

>

> --------------------------

> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:38:20 -0000

> From: " Sol "

> Subject: Re: New member introduction & amalgam removal question

>

> Dave,

>

> > And I'm assuming my dentist won't know for sure from the x-rays

> whether the metal is mercury or some other alloy.

>

> My non-biological dentist didn't have any way to determine if there

> was mercury under the bridge or not. It's the same issue with a

crown.

>

> > I need to check around the area for a biologic dentist.

>

> I'd strongly recommend you find a biological dentist to remove the

> fillings because you'll be better off replacing them with non

metallic

> ones and your regular dentist might put want to put something like

> palladium in your mouth which is a nasty metal. A bioloigcaldentist

> will test for biocompatibility.

>

> What city do you live in/near? I might be able to point you to one

you

> can interview.

>

> Sol

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sol. Really appreciate all your help.

The dentist in Upland isn't too far away. I'll start with him.

I could even go to L.A. if I had to.

Thanks again,

Dave

------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:16:53 -0000

Subject: Re: New member introduction & amalgam removal question

Dave,

I'd recommend you contact the DAMS office:

NatlDAMS@...

Also, http://www.talkinternational.com/mfdsindex3d.htm lists some

dentists in California. I'm not sure which ones, if any, are near to

San Diego.

Sol

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi Dave

> > z

> > > free and specializes in the safe removal of mercury fillings.

I

> am

> > > planning to chelate with DMSA then DMSA and alpha lipoic acid

> after

> > > removal of my fillings.

> > >

> >

> > Are you experiencing any symptoms of mercury toxicity right now?

> > If not there is no need to use DMSA or DMPS.

> >

> > cz