Please let me explain...

[Guest guest]

This is true to a point. My kids have plenty of fresh healthy choices but

they also get to have some crackers, chips and snacks that would not be

considered appropriate for Type 2's. They certainly are not over indulged in

junk

food, but the occasional treats are allowed and available at all times. Dessert

is not a term known to my children. They eat their meals and snacks and

dessert isn't an option whether they eat or not.

The picky bugs I was referring to is some of my day care children. Some of

these kids just plum won't eat what I serve. I am a licensed provider and am

on the California Day Care food program. I have been for 16 years. We have to

keep daily food records for each child and have to serve certain foods and

turn these into the state at the end of each month. A breakfast consists of a

serving of bread or cereal, a serving of milk, and a serving of fruit. Snack

has to have two components of a protein, milk, fruit, bread, or veggie. Lunch

has to be a serving of protein, a serving of veggie, a serving of fruit, a

serving of bread or pasta, and a serving of milk. Dinner is the same as Lunch.

So these kids are having to have healthy choices. I have both healthy grain

breads and vitamin fortified white bread available and these kids ARE given

choices. Even my own children.

My daughter is 15 and I can tell you most definitely that some kids WILL

starve and won't change regardless of what is available to them. I have

followed

the Day Care diet with all of my kids. At age 6 my daughter was refusing to

eat anything " healthy. " We ended up having to see a pediatric nutritionist

(after she started losing weight) who told us that with some kids that you have

to offer alternatives or you WILL have eating disorders down the road. I had

already been down that road and didn't want that for my daughter. This is when

we switched from only whole grains breads to having " choices, " and she began

to eat again. Now all of the kids have simple choices. 9 times out of 10

they will pick the healthier, but some of them won't and don't and they are

still

healthy.

I just don't think if a family has been eating a certain way all of their

lives and then another family member is diagnosed, that the whole family should

have to change what they know for that one person. I certainly don't expect my

daughter to change because of her brother's diagnosis.

Also I don't remember who posted about the eating disorder, but I agree

wholeheartedly because I was that person the poster spoke about. I was raised

in a

no sugar, no junk food, no fast food, only healthy choices home. I was 87lbs

when I got married a year out of high school and I suddenly found myself in

charge of grocery shopping. I was a skin bone because I never ate. I have

oral textile defensiveness from being a preemie myself and so for me many

healthy

choices although they taste good, I can't get beyond the texture to be able

to chew/swallow those foods. I overindulged in just about everything. It led

to adult anorexia/bulimia. My psych docs all told me this was due to being

deprived as a child. So while setting a pattern of healthy eating it can just

as easily be setting a pattern for disaster!!!

hugs

Keri

In a message dated 7/19/2004 10:45:19 AM Pacific Standard Time,

naladmw@... writes:

If you have fresh fruit and

vegetables ready to eat in the fridge and there is no popsicles in

the house, eventually, even picky little bugs will eat.

[Guest guest]

Well, obviously I have some explaining to do. I did not mean to

cause such a stir.

metaylorokc and Mom2KJDJ,

I realize that Type 1 is unpreventable in children. The pancreas

just doesn't work from the get go, but Type 2 is possibly

preventable. Maybe not 100% of the cases, but researchers have now

determined that there is a path to becoming Type 2 Diabetic. First

you are Hypoglycemic, then you become Insulin Resistant, then Pre-

Diabetic, then full blow Type 2 Diabetes. If the blood glucose

levels are held somewhat constant during the early phases

(hypoglycemia and insulin resistance) it is possible to prevent or at

least delay the onset of Type 2 diabetes. There is also the genetic

link to the increased risk for developing Type 2 diabetes. So I was

saying that providing healthy foods would be better for getting

children's taste buds used to the more natural sweetness of wholesome

foods. Also, limiting the carbohydrate intake of children is not a

good way to go because their bodies do need the carbohydrates to grow

and function properly, but they also need proteins and fats. They

don't need sugar, but avoiding a lot of splurging is a healthier way

to go. It has to do with balancing things out in an overall

nutritious manner than saying no to everything.

In response to the Porkettes thread (which I know I didn't put input

in on, but in a way it is related to the rest of this), you don't

have to suffer, and you don't have to make your family suffer. If

the family is following a healthy low sugar (not low carb there is a

big difference there), who is really suffering? No one, everyone is

healthy and happy (hopefully, there are many things out there, this

is only one). There is also a much bigger picture here because there

is a real world out there. Kids and adults both have to face the

fact that not everyone has to be concerned with

diet/sugar/carbs/protein/fat/etc. like they are. It is fine to

splurge here and there, even for some that are diagnosed with

metabolic disorders are able to splurge here and there. I am not

saying deprive your family of everything, but make them healthy as

much as possible. Ice cream man comes and little Junior wants some

ice cream and mommy is diabetic. That is fine, it is a splurge, but

if at the dinner table Junior doesn't want to eat his beef, brown

rice and broccoli and he gets to eat a scoop or two of ice cream for

dessert, it could be hurting him in the long run and you are teaching

him that its ok not to eat nutritious and ok to eat the sweets. And

why would you give your family something lacking in nutrients while

you are at the other side of the table eating something that would be

good for their bodies as well. If you have fresh fruit and

vegetables ready to eat in the fridge and there is no popsicles in

the house, eventually, even picky little bugs will eat.

[Guest guest]

What you said is exactly what I was trying to get out. The point I was trying

to make is I dont see how having the whole family follow a healthy diabetic

style diet is torturing the family.. Personally, i think it is crueller to

provide the family with sugary junk foods as options.JMO

> metaylorokc and Mom2KJDJ,

> I realize that Type 1 is unpreventable in children.  The pancreas

> just doesn't work from the get go, but Type 2 is possibly

> preventable.  Maybe not 100% of the cases, but researchers have now

> determined that there is a path to becoming Type 2 Diabetic.  First

> you are Hypoglycemic, then you become Insulin Resistant, then Pre-

> Diabetic, then full blow Type 2 Diabetes.  If the blood glucose

> levels are held somewhat constant during the early phases

> (hypoglycemia and insulin resistance) it is possible to prevent or at

> least delay the onset of Type 2 diabetes.  There is also the genetic

> link to the increased risk for developing Type 2 diabetes.  So I was

> saying that providing healthy foods would be better for getting

> children's taste buds used to the more natural sweetness of wholesome

> foods.  Also, limiting the carbohydrate intake of children is not a

> good way to go because their bodies do need the carbohydrates to grow

> and function properly, but they also need proteins and fats.  They

> don't need sugar, but avoiding a lot of splurging is a healthier way

> to go.  It has to do with balancing things out in an overall

> nutritious manner than saying no to everything. 

>

> In response to the Porkettes thread (which I know I didn't put input

> in on, but in a way it is related to the rest of this), you don't

> have to suffer, and you don't have to make your family suffer.  If

> the family is following a healthy low sugar (not low carb there is a

> big difference there), who is really suffering?  No one, everyone is

> healthy and happy (hopefully, there are many things out there, this

> is only one).  There is also a much bigger picture here because there

> is a real world out there.  Kids and adults both have to face the

> fact that not everyone has to be concerned with

> diet/sugar/carbs/protein/fat/etc. like they are.  It is fine to

> splurge here and there, even for some that are diagnosed with

> metabolic disorders are able to splurge here and there.  I am not

> saying deprive your family of everything, but make them healthy as

> much as possible.  Ice cream man comes and little Junior wants some

> ice cream and mommy is diabetic.  That is fine, it is a splurge, but

> if at the dinner table Junior doesn't want to eat his beef, brown

> rice and broccoli and he gets to eat a scoop or two of ice cream for

> dessert, it could be hurting him in the long run and you are teaching

> him that its ok not to eat nutritious and ok to eat the sweets.  And

> why would you give your family something lacking in nutrients while

> you are at the other side of the table eating something that would be

> good for their bodies as well.  If you have fresh fruit and

> vegetables ready to eat in the fridge and there is no popsicles in

> the house, eventually, even picky little bugs will eat.  

>

>

[Guest guest]

I dont want to get in a huge fight about all this, but I think the notion of

it being cruelty to have the family eat healthy is ridiculous. Secondly, I

feel if your situation was bad enough to cause psychological issues that is way

more extreme than having the family eat healthy.

> I just don't think if a family has been eating a certain way all of their

> lives and then another family member is diagnosed, that the whole family

> should

> have to change what they know for that one person.  I certainly don't expect

> my

> daughter to change because of her brother's diagnosis.

>

> Also I don't remember who posted about the eating disorder, but I agree

> wholeheartedly because I was that person the poster spoke about.  I was

> raised in a

> no sugar, no junk food, no fast food, only healthy choices home.  I was

> 87lbs

> when I got married a year out of high school and I suddenly found myself in

> charge of grocery shopping.  I was a skin bone because I never ate.  I have

> oral textile defensiveness from being a preemie myself and so for me many

> healthy

> choices although they taste good, I can't get beyond the texture to be able

> to chew/swallow those foods.  I overindulged in just about everything.  It

> led

> to adult anorexia/bulimia.  My psych docs all told me this was due to being

> deprived as a child.  So while setting a pattern of healthy eating it can

> just

> as easily be setting a pattern for disaster!!!

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/19/2004 9:55:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, METAYLOROKC

writes:

I feel if your situation was bad enough to cause psychological issues that is

way more extreme than having the family eat healthy.

I was raised in a completely Christian non-abusive upper middle class home,

went to the best private schools, and had everything " material " and emotionally

I ever needed or wanted. EXCEPT FOOD!!! My parents never even argued and my

sibling was my best friend. The ONLY issue in that household was having to

eat healthy and not allowed any sweets or unnatural foods....so the only bad in

my life was the food issue created by a mother who wanted us to eat only

totally healthy, depriving us of anything remotely unhealthy. So pull your

closed

mind out of your....and see for a change that YOUR VIEW has been proven to be

WRONG this time! What my mother did WAS cruel and she'd be the first to admit

it to you NOW!!

As a member of this group I don't need to be sent mail privately that is

copied to the list....

Thanks

Keri

[Guest guest]

naladmw wrote:

>I realize that Type 1 is unpreventable in children.

You are absolutely correct. Type 1 is unpreventable in either children or

adults.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

> You are absolutely correct. Type 1 is unpreventable in either children or

> adults.

> Sandy

>

Yup that is what they told me. i was soooo upset when I got it, for years I

have tried to prevent getting type 2 diabetes like my mom has, exercised, ate

right (most of the time) etc.. then BAM out of the blue I got type one :-(

[Guest guest]

> What my mother did WAS cruel and she'd be the first to admit

> it to you NOW!!

>

> As a member of this group I don't need to be sent mail privately that is

> copied to the list....

>

Yes and what your mother did was not having her family " eat healthy " . If what

she did about food is why you are so emotionally disturbed that is not just

eating healthy... Im sorry if this has touched a nerve with you that is keeping

you from seeing what Im saying. Secondly, maybe you should breathe for a

moment. If you think that I have ever said what YOUR mother did was normal or

healthy, you need to re-read the emails. Again, i do not feel providing healthy

food to a family, such as diabetic friendly dinners is abuse. Also Im not sure

what the heck you are saying about the email thing. i have never privately

emailed you, i just hit reply??? Im not going to argue with you, nor am I going

to

allow you to talk to me the way you did. Apparently you have issues that need

proffesional assistance, and that have nothing to do with cooking a diabetic

friendly dinner or providing healthy food in the place of chips and sugar.

[Guest guest]

Sorry you are the one who needs to reread. She only allowed healthy foods in

the house no sugar cereals, no cookies, no candy, no white bread, no chips,

no popsicles,etc.

Just healthy balanced natural food meals and fruits and veggies for snacks.

She didn't want us to get heart disease or diabetes. She wanted us to be

healthy. This is EXACTLY what you were saying is not cruel...

Obviously it ISN'T as completely healthy as you believe. It left her

children to binge and purge when they became old enough to get their hands on

the

" forbidden " at a later age.

Everything in modesty is healthy.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks... what you are now a

psych doc diagnosing me as needing therapy because I called you on an error in

your judgement????

WHATEVER buddy

Im sorry if this has touched a nerve with you that is keeping you from seeing

what Im saying. Secondly, maybe you should breathe for a moment. If you think

that I have ever said what YOUR mother did was normal or healthy, you need to

re-read the emails.

[Guest guest]

<< Sorry you are the one who needs to reread. She only allowed healthy foods

in

the house no sugar cereals, no cookies, no candy, no white bread, no chips,

no popsicles,etc. >>

Im not going to argue with you on this. It is obvious we have a difference of

opinion on the subject.

[Guest guest]

Just thought I would chime in again....seems like this is more common than one

(especially myself) would think....I can't believe such " normal " appearing

friends and co-workers as I have, had such awful childhoods....Not that I was

let loose to do anything I could get away with.....and we weren't the richest

family in our neighborhood.....but I was satisfied....and I could have used a

lot more " moderation " in my diet....but this type of deprivation for totally

healthy families is not moderation or even balanced....I have a new appreciation

for those who suffered this way.....ROLF

Re: [alldiabeticinternational] Please let me explain...

<< Sorry you are the one who needs to reread. She only allowed healthy foods

in

the house no sugar cereals, no cookies, no candy, no white bread, no chips,

no popsicles,etc. >>

Im not going to argue with you on this. It is obvious we have a difference of

opinion on the subject.

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