Guest guest Posted October 6, 1999 Report Share Posted October 6, 1999 Sue I just wanted you to know I enjoyed reading the posts related to Big and Beautiful. Thank you for using the line so such an open discussion could be had. The thoughts made me examine my own values of beauty and self worth. I like the change also! Well done! Kittyhorse Sue Birney wrote: > > > -Well you all Dont have to worry about it I change the > line after all the complaints > > ===== > Sue List Manager 310/260.5/180 > Goal for Challenge 2 250 > > Big and Beutiful is a state of mind, Never let anyone tell you different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 In a message dated 10/7/99 2:32:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MrsRVO@... writes: << I started at 292.5 (Oh, my gosh) and am now at 274 this morning. >> WTG Robin!!!!!! This is great!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 Robin WTG !! Thats great! Hugs, Penny 173/158/130 Goal for Oct 31st is-----150!!!!! Visit me at: http://www.geocities.com/shadcat708/The__Home.html " >The__Hom http://www.geocities.com/shadcat708/The__Home.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 > > It doesn't really bother me on the messages, but if someone on the > street said that to me, I'd POUND them. > Nat-- I HAVE TO AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL MOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 >> It doesn't really bother me on the messages, but if someone on the >> street said that to me, I'd POUND them. >> >Nat-- I HAVE TO AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL >MOL Oh, hey, I almost fell out of my chair laughing at this one, Nat!!! Heh... that's so funny! It's so great that here we have a " safe " place to talk about this stuff! I have really NO ONE, not my mom, not my sis, not one single friend I'd want to talk to about this face to face, as much as I love them!! That would be too weird! So, it's great to have you guys for a " shoulder " . Love ya all, Lis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 teena, you are in trouble if you continue to insist that beauty is always physical but a great deal of physical beauty is how you carry yourself, what you think about yourself, how you project yourself and your image to other people no matter what size you are. oprah got her show when she was obese because she projected an image of beauty, and she is not physically beautiful. she will be the first to say that. when you only love yourself if you're a certain size then no one will love you until you are that certain size. love yourself and respect yourself as you would have others love and respect you. they will. ithandi Re: Big and Beautiful >From: TLLOVESHIM@... > >In a message dated 10/06/1999 7:13:04 PM EST, raincrystal@... writes: > ><< > Hi. I'm new to the list and I want to jump right in on this one. Beauty has >nothing to do with size, or anything physical for that matter. Period. Some >people are not at a place where they have been able to really understand >that...and thats ok. It is just a lesson that has to be eventually learned >from experience and living. Some people never learn it. Those of us who have >been able to fully understand that though, are the lucky ones IMHO. >Because when you are still caught in society's way of seeing things, and >trying to live up to that in an attempt to find happiness, you will never >find it. >> > >See, this is it!! I knew it was just me! I am still striving to be >beautiful and me being beautiful is not at 200 pounds. It is me being 130! >I would never think of being so restrictive with others though. I can see >past size when it comes to others. I do not care what size a woman or man is >if I see something beautiful about them. It is me that I cannot see as >beautiful at just any size. I must be a size 8/10 to feel beautiful. Do you >all understand? I am not looking at others sizes! I am too busy looking at >my own!! Is there a therapist in the house!!??? LOL!! Teena (realizing >now how messed up I am!) > >>Big and Beutiful is a state of mind, Never let anyone tell you different. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 << when you only love yourself if you're a certain size then no one will love you until you are that certain size. >> While I do agree that I have a problem with myself to deal with, I really don't agree with the above statement. I have so many people that do love me regardless of my size. They are people that have seen me at what I consider my worst, over 200 pounds, and people that see me now at my current best, 175. They all love me the same. My dh is the greatest one of all. He has helped me a great deal with my self esteem. But I do not see what is wrong with me wanting to be thin to be beautiful. I am not saying that larger women are not beautiful. I am saying that I myself do not feel beautiful. I was thin almost all of my life, I have only been this size for the last few years. I want to be my old self. What is wrong with that? If that were wrong then why do we have this list and why are we trying to lose weight? Of course I want to be healthy but I feel sexier and more beautiful when I am healthy and thin. What I see as wrong in my life is obsessing over it. I need to let it happen slowly and naturally and not worry so much or take it so seriously. I do love myself too, I just am not going to be satisfied with being this size. If I were then there would be no point in being on this diet or on this list. I am doing this for me, not to turn anyones head any more. I will decide when I think I am the best that I can be. Teena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 1999 Report Share Posted October 7, 1999 > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:01:32 EDT > From: Chard4me@... > Subject: Re: Big and Beautiful > > Hi Sue > Yes, I like it too! I think it is a good reminder to think of ourselves as > beautiful even if we aren't at our goal weight. And we are beautiful because > we're all unique and a precious resource on the earth. I needed to remind > myself of that today. > Bev in Selah > Bev, I agree. I have had a lot of problems with self-esteem, most tied to my weight. I am trying to see myself as beautiful exactly the way I am. Yes, I want to get rid of the excess weight... but not to get more beautiful... to get more healthy. I am as beautiful just the way I am because my beauty comes from the inside, not what I look like on the outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 > Bev, I agree. I have had a lot of problems with > self-esteem, most tied > to my weight. I am trying to see myself as beautiful > exactly the way I > am. Yes, I want to get rid of the excess weight... > but not to get more > beautiful... to get more healthy. I am as beautiful > just the way I am > because my beauty comes from the inside, not what I > look like on the > outside. > > That is what the original msg ment we may be big but we are beutiful ===== Sue List Manager 310/260.5/180 Goal for Challenge 2 255 Low carb link with info and recipes.http://members.xoom.com/Shadcat708/LC.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 In a message dated 10/8/99 11:31:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lanat@... writes: << 298/273.5/160 YESSS!! another pound gone!! = >> WTG Lis! Hope you are felling better today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 > Re: Big and Beautiful > > >From: TLLOVESHIM@... > > > ><< when you only love yourself if > you're a certain size then no one will love you until you are that certain > size. >> > >While I do agree that I have a problem with myself to deal with, I really >don't agree with the above statement. Nor do I. Being genuinely unappreciative of the extra girth and poundage and desiring deeply to get it OFF is *not* " only loving myself if I'm a certain size " - and if no one loved me, unless I was that " certain size " , well, as Teena so eloquently says, I wouldn't have people in my life who are doing just exactly that, loving me no matter what " size " I am. But for a new person, that is their first impression - it's inescapable - I am nearly 6 feet tall, and I'm BIG - hard to miss, like what's her name, from the Rocky movies... LOL But I'm also *big*, and I am NOT happy with that. I have no problems at all with being a tall, strong, imposing female. I have a lot of problems with being fat. And lying to myself about it won't help the situation any. I have so many people that >do love me regardless of my size. They are people that have seen me at what >I consider my worst, over 200 pounds, and people that see me now at my current best, >175. They all love me the same. My DH is the greatest one of >all. He has helped me a great deal with my self esteem. But I do not see what >is wrong with me wanting to be thin to be beautiful. I am not saying that larger >women are not beautiful. Sorry, y'know what? Maybe I'm awful, or maybe I just really have a different sense of beauty, but when it gets beyond the type of ladies that s painted, it's really " too much " , for my tastes.... Get much past where Delta Burke or Fergie is, and I'm not really impressed... I've seen a LOT of before and after kind of pics, and I can honestly say I prefer the *looks* of the after pics. No one is going " gaga " over the after pic and NOT thinking " Wow, he/she looks SO much better " - at least no honest person is. No one I've ever heard, unless they are talking about an anorexic, ever says, " Gee, you'd look so much better with a few MORE pounds. " That's not a Vogue or Cosmo mentality, or " society " saying we should all be toothpick thin, because I don't read Vogue, or Cosmo, and don't think people should be toothpick thin. Never did. Always wanted to look more like Mae West, or Raquel Welch or Shields than any of these hyper thin people you see in the ads in the magazines I don't read... :-) So, sorry if it offends, but I DO happen to think that there is a point beyond which there is definitely too much fat on the bones, and it's no longer beautiful, no matter what kind of blithe spirit the flesh encloses. > I am saying that I myself do not feel >beautiful. No kidding, not me either at this poundage! You ever get all dressed up, and do your hair and do your makeup and put on your jewelry, and think, " Hmm, nice, very nice " and then have that feeling totally evaporate because you turn sideways and catch your profile? I have... not a whole lot of fun seeing that tummy sticking out like that... " Gee, press right *here* and if that bulge would just go away... " Besides, my weight, along with not being particularly attractive, is killing my joints. My ankles and knees and hips can't take much more of this, literally. I have osteo-arthritis, and I've got degeneration in my spine - visible - it shows up on x-rays. This is NOT good stuff, and it's sheer stupidity to have this much weight knowing the damage it's doing to my spine! I am NOT going to fool myself or lie to myself, or give myself some kind of white-washed soft-sell and try and convince myself " it's not so bad " - did that for the last fifteen years, and look where it's gotten me!! Folks say, " you must not love yourself " - on the contrary, I do very much love myself, and that's a primary part of the reason I'm trying to lose the weight and on this list at all. I DO happen to love myself, and want to continue LIVING!! This is self-love to the max, not some twisted self-loathing that says I don't like who I am, so I'll metamorph into someone else... In my case - this weight on my bones is not only crunching my joints to pieces, it's making my asthma worse. It's making the esophageal reflux syndrome worse, which also aggravates my asthma. It's making mobility poor. It is stressing my heart. My blood pressure is on the edge of the dangerous range, and if it doesn't come down, I'm going to need meds. I get constant migraines, and the BP may be a big factor there. These few health factors alone could kill me with a stroke or a heart attack. It's a very real possibility. And if I sit back and say, " gee, I'm not perfect, but I'm ok " like I've been doing for all these years, I'm gonna be one seriously dead woman. I think this " gee, I'm not perfect, but I'm ok " mentality is pure denial. Sorry, but that's my professional opinion. I've worked as a therapist for too many years not to know denial when I see it. That's the phrase that keeps millions of women from doing the hard work that it takes to get the pounds off and get healthy. It's a mind game, that tells you you're " ok " when you're not. When someone is 100 lbs. overweight, no amount of " positive self-talk " is going to make up for the fact that they have a severe problem and they are NOT " ok " . No, I don't feel particularly healthy at my current weight of over 270 lbs., more than 1/8th of a ton. I'd prefer not being able to describe myself easily in terms of tonnage, for one thing! And trust me, I don't feel particularly " beautiful " either. I can look " good " , I can even look " very good " , but I'd by no means say, however I dress, or fix up, that this body is beautiful. *I* am beautiful. Yes, I can say that. The *me* trapped inside all these ugly rolls and bulges is a lovely, lovely person. But the rolls, bulges, jiggles and sags are going, because THEY most certainly are NOT lovely or beautiful at all!! > I was thin almost all of my life, I have only been this size for the >last few years. I want to be my old self. What is wrong with that? Nothing, nothing at all. I can't say the same thing, unfortunately, as I've been " big " since about sixth grade. I was stick thin as a kid, and got " esqe " as a teen. By my college days, I was getting " up-there " and starting to be a bit horrified at the trend. But only in the " back of my head " - it wasn't alarming enough to actually DO something about it. I watched the scale and my clothes size go up with dismay. I tried a few diets, half-heartedly - and the funny thing is, that now I know *why* they didn't work! But then, I only got more and more depressed over each failure with " rabbit food " and sweating and huffing and puffing... I even tried the Rice Diet, if you can imagine such a thing! And every time I would " fail " , because I was dieting completely backwards for what my metabolism needed, I would just say " gee, I'm not perfect, but I'm ok " , and go up another dress size.... I'm not saying that anymore! That, to ME, is defeatist, and won't help me a bit!! ymmv, I guess... If that were >wrong then why do we have this list and why are we trying to lose >weight? EXACTLY!!! >Of course I want to be healthy but I feel sexier and more beautiful >when I am healthy and thin. What I see as wrong in my life is obsessing over it. Exactly, again! I hear you! >I need to let it happen slowly and naturally and not worry so much >or take it so seriously. I do love myself too, I just am not going to be >satisfied with being this size. There you go! See, that's exactly what I mean. I am not " settling " for this shape, nor " putting up with " this size any more!!! Just NOT gonna happen!! And if that means treating donuts and bread like I'm allergic to them, FINE!! And if that means no stuffing or mashed potatoes at Thanksgiving, FINE!! And if my mom doesn't like it, FINE!! LOL >If I were then there would be no point in being on this >diet or on this list. I am doing this for me, not to turn anyone's >head any more. I will decide when I think I am the best that I can be. But won't that be a lovely side effect, Teena? That first day you walk down the street and are the living epitome of that Roy Orbison song? Pretty woman walking down the street Pretty woman the kind I'd like to meet Pretty woman I don't believe you, you're not the truth No one could look as good as you (Mercy!) heh... As God is my witness, that's gonna be ME someday!! (to paraphrase Miss Scarlett O'Hara!!!) Love to you all, and God be with you, Lis 298/273.5/160 YESSS!! another pound gone!! ==================================== http://users.javanet.com/~lanat/therosary.htm How To Say The ry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 ><< > 298/273.5/160 > YESSS!! another pound gone!! > > = >> >WTG Lis! Hope you are felling better today! > I'm such an idiot!!! That was supposed to be a 2, not a 3!! Duhh! (did you know a flannel nightgown weighs a POUND!!! LOL) Yes, I feel a bit better, still scratchy chest/throat, though... Thanks, Lis 298/272.5/160 there... that's right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 << heh... As God is my witness, that's gonna be ME someday!! (to paraphrase Miss Scarlett O'Hara!!!) >> YOU GO GIRL!! We are in this together!! Teena (on my way to more beautiful! one pound at a time!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 Can I add a little more on the topic to get something off my chest? This is just me. In the mid-80's I went on a weight loss program that it turned out was also low in carbs. I lost 80 lbs, felt like a new person, etc. I felt pretty for the first time in my life, got the stares from the males and all that goes with that. In 1988 I got pregnant (planned) started to gain and seem to have been gaining since. Now I have gained back those 80 plus about 50 more. When I gained back the weight I gained back all of those negative feelings, I hated myself. I have learned that I have to love myself exactly as I am ... all 271 pounds of me! And every inch of this body is beautiful. Yes, I want to get rid of the excess weight but I am not going back to hating the fat and thinking she is any less of a person. I am not going to judge myself as " good " or " bad " based on how much weight I lose either. (When I lost before I was a " star " in my program and considered a great success) I cannot begin to tell you the terrible pain that set me up for when I gained that weight back. I want to take care of this beautiful and enhance her beauty even more but I am not going to feel guilty or hate her because this is me. I have to love me today. Thanks for listening. Just needed to say these things for my own benefit to reaffirm who I am to me. *LOL* crazy I know. Love ya all. This is a great list! B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 1999 Report Share Posted October 8, 1999 i hope you don't have to wait to be beautiful. you need to consider yourself beautiful whether you are a certain size or not. how can you expect others to respect and like you if you don't consider yourself. that's self discrimination. it's almost like not buying the good dishes before you get married no matter when that may be. Re: Big and Beautiful >From: TLLOVESHIM@... > > > ><< heh... As God is my witness, that's gonna be ME someday!! (to >paraphrase > Miss Scarlett O'Hara!!!) >> > >YOU GO GIRL!! We are in this together!! Teena (on my way to more >beautiful! one pound at a time!!!) > >>Big and Beutiful is a state of mind, Never let anyone tell you different. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 1999 Report Share Posted October 9, 1999 i wrote " when you only love yourself if you're a certain size, then no one will love you until you are that certain size?. what some of you fail to realize is that you do indeed love yourself at your present size. you may not love your size as is the case with myself. i hate being obese, i think it stinks, but if i walk out with that attitute and distribute that gloom everywhere i go like i can't stand myself, other people will pick up on that and stay clear from me. loving yourself does not mean you have to be a perfect or near perfect size. it means that you respect yourself, what you are doing and your accomplishments, what your life is about and the fact that you all are on the atkins diet tells me you love yourself enough to do something about your situation. if beauty was only physical, and by the way there are many fat people who are physically beautiful, they when your looks go what do you have left? Re: Big and Beautiful >> >> >>From: TLLOVESHIM@... >> >> >> >><< when you only love yourself if >> you're a certain size then no one will love you until you are that certain >> size. >> >> >>While I do agree that I have a problem with myself to deal with, I really >>don't agree with the above statement. > > >Nor do I. > >Being genuinely unappreciative of the extra girth and poundage and desiring >deeply to get it OFF is *not* " only loving myself if I'm a certain size " - >and if no one loved me, unless I was that " certain size " , well, as Teena so >eloquently says, I wouldn't have people in my life who are doing just >exactly that, loving me no matter what " size " I am. But for a new person, >that is their first impression - it's inescapable - I am nearly 6 feet tall, >and I'm BIG - hard to miss, like what's her name, from the Rocky movies... >LOL But I'm also *big*, and I am NOT happy with that. I have no problems >at all with being a tall, strong, imposing female. I have a lot of problems >with being fat. And lying to myself about it won't help the situation any. > > > > I have so many people that >>do love me regardless of my size. They are people that have seen me at >what >>I consider my worst, over 200 pounds, and people that see me now at my >current best, >>175. They all love me the same. My DH is the greatest one of >>all. He has helped me a great deal with my self esteem. But I do not see >what >>is wrong with me wanting to be thin to be beautiful. I am not saying that >larger >>women are not beautiful. > >Sorry, y'know what? Maybe I'm awful, or maybe I just really have a >different sense of beauty, but when it gets beyond the type of ladies that >s painted, it's really " too much " , for my tastes.... Get much past >where Delta Burke or Fergie is, and I'm not really impressed... I've seen a >LOT of before and after kind of pics, and I can honestly say I prefer the >*looks* of the after pics. No one is going " gaga " over the after pic and >NOT thinking " Wow, he/she looks SO much better " - at least no honest person >is. No one I've ever heard, unless they are talking about an anorexic, ever >says, " Gee, you'd look so much better with a few MORE pounds. " That's not >a Vogue or Cosmo mentality, or " society " saying we should all be toothpick >thin, because I don't read Vogue, or Cosmo, and don't think people should be >toothpick thin. Never did. Always wanted to look more like Mae West, or >Raquel Welch or Shields than any of these hyper thin people you see >in the ads in the magazines I don't read... :-) So, sorry if it offends, >but I DO happen to think that there is a point beyond which there is >definitely too much fat on the bones, and it's no longer beautiful, no >matter what kind of blithe spirit the flesh encloses. > > > >> I am saying that I myself do not feel >>beautiful. > >No kidding, not me either at this poundage! > >You ever get all dressed up, and do your hair and do your makeup and put on >your jewelry, and think, " Hmm, nice, very nice " and then have that feeling >totally evaporate because you turn sideways and catch your profile? I >have... not a whole lot of fun seeing that tummy sticking out like that... > " Gee, press right *here* and if that bulge would just go away... " > >Besides, my weight, along with not being particularly attractive, is killing >my joints. My ankles and knees and hips can't take much more of this, >literally. I have osteo-arthritis, and I've got degeneration in my spine - >visible - it shows up on x-rays. This is NOT good stuff, and it's sheer >stupidity to have this much weight knowing the damage it's doing to my >spine! > >I am NOT going to fool myself or lie to myself, or give myself some kind of >white-washed soft-sell and try and convince myself " it's not so bad " - did >that for the last fifteen years, and look where it's gotten me!! > >Folks say, " you must not love yourself " - on the contrary, I do very much >love myself, and that's a primary part of the reason I'm trying to lose the >weight and on this list at all. I DO happen to love myself, and want to >continue LIVING!! This is self-love to the max, not some twisted >self-loathing that says I don't like who I am, so I'll metamorph into >someone else... > >In my case - this weight on my bones is not only crunching my joints to >pieces, it's making my asthma worse. It's making the esophageal reflux >syndrome worse, which also aggravates my asthma. It's making mobility poor. >It is stressing my heart. My blood pressure is on the edge of the dangerous >range, and if it doesn't come down, I'm going to need meds. I get constant >migraines, and the BP may be a big factor there. These few health factors >alone could kill me with a stroke or a heart attack. It's a very real >possibility. And if I sit back and say, " gee, I'm not perfect, but I'm ok " >like I've been doing for all these years, I'm gonna be one seriously dead >woman. > >I think this " gee, I'm not perfect, but I'm ok " mentality is pure denial. >Sorry, but that's my professional opinion. I've worked as a therapist for >too many years not to know denial when I see it. That's the phrase that >keeps millions of women from doing the hard work that it takes to get the >pounds off and get healthy. It's a mind game, that tells you you're " ok " >when you're not. When someone is 100 lbs. overweight, no amount of > " positive self-talk " is going to make up for the fact that they have a >severe problem and they are NOT " ok " . > >No, I don't feel particularly healthy at my current weight of over 270 lbs., >more than 1/8th of a ton. I'd prefer not being able to describe myself >easily in terms of tonnage, for one thing! And trust me, I don't feel >particularly " beautiful " either. I can look " good " , I can even look " very >good " , but I'd by no means say, however I dress, or fix up, that this body >is beautiful. > >*I* am beautiful. Yes, I can say that. The *me* trapped inside all these >ugly rolls and bulges is a lovely, lovely person. But the rolls, bulges, >jiggles and sags are going, because THEY most certainly are NOT lovely or >beautiful at all!! > > > >> I was thin almost all of my life, I have only been this size for the >>last few years. I want to be my old self. What is wrong with that? > > >Nothing, nothing at all. I can't say the same thing, unfortunately, as >I've been " big " since about sixth grade. I was stick thin as a kid, and got > " esqe " as a teen. By my college days, I was getting " up-there " and >starting to be a bit horrified at the trend. But only in the " back of my >head " - it wasn't alarming enough to actually DO something about it. I >watched the scale and my clothes size go up with dismay. I tried a few >diets, half-heartedly - and the funny thing is, that now I know *why* they >didn't work! But then, I only got more and more depressed over each failure >with " rabbit food " and sweating and huffing and puffing... I even tried >the Rice Diet, if you can imagine such a thing! And every time I would > " fail " , because I was dieting completely backwards for what my metabolism >needed, I would just say " gee, I'm not perfect, but I'm ok " , and go up >another dress size.... I'm not saying that anymore! That, to ME, is >defeatist, and won't help me a bit!! ymmv, I guess... > > > If that were >>wrong then why do we have this list and why are we trying to lose >>weight? > >EXACTLY!!! > >>Of course I want to be healthy but I feel sexier and more beautiful >>when I am healthy and thin. What I see as wrong in my life is obsessing >over it. > >Exactly, again! I hear you! > > >>I need to let it happen slowly and naturally and not worry so much >>or take it so seriously. I do love myself too, I just am not going to be >>satisfied with being this size. > >There you go! See, that's exactly what I mean. I am not " settling " for >this shape, nor " putting up with " this size any more!!! Just NOT gonna >happen!! And if that means treating donuts and bread like I'm allergic to >them, FINE!! And if that means no stuffing or mashed potatoes at >Thanksgiving, FINE!! And if my mom doesn't like it, FINE!! LOL > > >>If I were then there would be no point in being on this >>diet or on this list. I am doing this for me, not to turn anyone's >>head any more. I will decide when I think I am the best that I can be. > >But won't that be a lovely side effect, Teena? That first day you walk down >the street and are the living epitome of that Roy Orbison song? > >Pretty woman walking down the street >Pretty woman the kind I'd like to meet >Pretty woman >I don't believe you, you're not the truth >No one could look as good as you (Mercy!) > >heh... As God is my witness, that's gonna be ME someday!! (to paraphrase >Miss Scarlett O'Hara!!!) > > > >Love to you all, >and God be with you, > >Lis > >298/273.5/160 >YESSS!! another pound gone!! > >==================================== >http://users.javanet.com/~lanat/therosary.htm >How To Say The ry > >>Big and Beutiful is a state of mind, Never let anyone tell you different. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 1999 Report Share Posted October 9, 1999 brovo karen, we all needed to hear that. Re: Big and Beautiful > > >Can I add a little more on the topic to get something off my chest? >This is just me. In the mid-80's I went on a weight loss program that >it turned out was also low in carbs. I lost 80 lbs, felt like a new >person, etc. I felt pretty for the first time in my life, got the stares >from the males and all that goes with that. In 1988 I got pregnant >(planned) started to gain and seem to have been gaining since. Now I >have gained back those 80 plus about 50 more. When I gained back the >weight I gained back all of those negative feelings, I hated myself. I >have learned that I have to love myself exactly as I am ... all 271 >pounds of me! And every inch of this body is beautiful. Yes, I want to >get rid of the excess weight but I am not going back to hating the fat > and thinking she is any less of a person. I am not going to judge >myself as " good " or " bad " based on how much weight I lose either. (When >I lost before I was a " star " in my program and considered a great >success) I cannot begin to tell you the terrible pain that set me up for >when I gained that weight back. I want to take care of this beautiful > and enhance her beauty even more but I am not going to feel guilty >or hate her because this is me. I have to love me today. >Thanks for listening. Just needed to say these things for my own benefit >to reaffirm who I am to me. *LOL* crazy I know. >Love ya all. This is a great list! > B. > >>Big and Beutiful is a state of mind, Never let anyone tell you different. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 1999 Report Share Posted October 9, 1999 << if beauty was only physical, and by the way there are many fat people who are physically beautiful, they when your looks go what do you have left? >> Ah, but see, I have been down that road where my looks were the basis for my self esteem. I do love myself and that is why I am changing. Because I don't like the size of me. Ok, I have said this to a couple of people off list and will say it here: If your house is dirty you don't hate the house, you hate the dirt and you clean it. You get rid of the dirt because that is what is making you unhappy, not the house. That is how I feel about the fat on my body. I do not hate me. I hate the fat on me and I am going to get rid of it. That is what motivates me and what I must hold onto if I am going to change what is making me unhappy. I am not unhappy with me, if I were I would change me. And actually I have changed things about me that I do not like, such as materialism. I am now not as materialistic and appreciate the little things in life. That is how I view my body. I am not trying to make it into a supermodel body. I am just trying to get to a weight that is more comfortable to me. I am now a size 12 and would like to be a 10. I don't think that it is unreasonable to want to be that size. I want to improve myself and my quality of life. I want to clean out the dirt! I am not trying to get rid of myself! God made me and I am happy with what He has given me but I am the one that made this body fat with irresponsible eating. Now I must pay the price and *clean house*! Some people are big and did not do anything to get that way and that is a different situation. I have an 11 yo son that is very big and I sometimes worry about him but God made him big. He did not get that way by bad eating habits like I did. So, I am taking responsibility and getting rid of this fat that I do hate! Because I love me! Teena And you are right, Ithandi, being on Atkins does show that we all love ourselves enough to change ourselves and not just be unhappy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 1999 Report Share Posted October 9, 1999 bravo teena, sounds good to me. we will make it this time! Re: Big and Beautiful >From: TLLOVESHIM@... > > > ><< if beauty was only physical, and by the way > there are many fat people who are physically beautiful, they when your looks > go what do you have left? >> > >Ah, but see, I have been down that road where my looks were the basis for my >self esteem. I do love myself and that is why I am changing. Because I >don't like the size of me. Ok, I have said this to a couple of people off >list and will say it here: If your house is dirty you don't hate the house, >you hate the dirt and you clean it. You get rid of the dirt because that is >what is making you unhappy, not the house. That is how I feel about the fat >on my body. I do not hate me. I hate the fat on me and I am going to get >rid of it. That is what motivates me and what I must hold onto if I am going >to change what is making me unhappy. I am not unhappy with me, if I were I >would change me. And actually I have changed things about me that I do not >like, such as materialism. I am now not as materialistic and appreciate the >little things in life. That is how I view my body. I am not trying to make >it into a supermodel body. I am just trying to get to a weight that is more >comfortable to me. I am now a size 12 and would like to be a 10. I don't >think that it is unreasonable to want to be that size. I want to improve >myself and my quality of life. I want to clean out the dirt! I am not >trying to get rid of myself! God made me and I am happy with what He has >given me but I am the one that made this body fat with irresponsible eating. >Now I must pay the price and *clean house*! Some people are big and did not >do anything to get that way and that is a different situation. I have an 11 >yo son that is very big and I sometimes worry about him but God made him big. > He did not get that way by bad eating habits like I did. So, I am taking >responsibility and getting rid of this fat that I do hate! Because I love >me! Teena >And you are right, Ithandi, being on Atkins does show that we all love >ourselves enough to change ourselves and not just be unhappy. > >>Big and Beutiful is a state of mind, Never let anyone tell you different. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 1999 Report Share Posted October 9, 1999 bravo teena, sounds good to me. we will make it this time! Re: Big and Beautiful >From: TLLOVESHIM@... > > > ><< if beauty was only physical, and by the way > there are many fat people who are physically beautiful, they when your looks > go what do you have left? >> > >Ah, but see, I have been down that road where my looks were the basis for my >self esteem. I do love myself and that is why I am changing. Because I >don't like the size of me. Ok, I have said this to a couple of people off >list and will say it here: If your house is dirty you don't hate the house, >you hate the dirt and you clean it. You get rid of the dirt because that is >what is making you unhappy, not the house. That is how I feel about the fat >on my body. I do not hate me. I hate the fat on me and I am going to get >rid of it. That is what motivates me and what I must hold onto if I am going >to change what is making me unhappy. I am not unhappy with me, if I were I >would change me. And actually I have changed things about me that I do not >like, such as materialism. I am now not as materialistic and appreciate the >little things in life. That is how I view my body. I am not trying to make >it into a supermodel body. I am just trying to get to a weight that is more >comfortable to me. I am now a size 12 and would like to be a 10. I don't >think that it is unreasonable to want to be that size. I want to improve >myself and my quality of life. I want to clean out the dirt! I am not >trying to get rid of myself! God made me and I am happy with what He has >given me but I am the one that made this body fat with irresponsible eating. >Now I must pay the price and *clean house*! Some people are big and did not >do anything to get that way and that is a different situation. I have an 11 >yo son that is very big and I sometimes worry about him but God made him big. > He did not get that way by bad eating habits like I did. So, I am taking >responsibility and getting rid of this fat that I do hate! Because I love >me! Teena >And you are right, Ithandi, being on Atkins does show that we all love >ourselves enough to change ourselves and not just be unhappy. > >>Big and Beutiful is a state of mind, Never let anyone tell you different. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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