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Well everyone, our GI doc called back. He wanted me to throw in the

car and admit him. has been in the hospital a total of 22 times. We

are trying very hard to keep him out as much as we can. I asked him what

he planned to do at the hospital. The nurse said bowel rest. I asked her

how she thought this would solve 's problems long term. She said it

wouldn't solve any problems long term but short term might make him feel

better for a little while. I told her that I did not want any more short

term solutions, that I want to know how to make better. She said

maybe you should seek a 2nd opinion, DUH! She is going to talk to the GI

and see who he recommends because I told her I think we want to see someone

who specializes in EG.

Dawn, mommy to Dakota(just a cutie-patootie) and (EG and fundo 10/96

and hoping there is light at the end of this dark tunnel)

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In a message dated 98-08-06 15:48:23 EDT, you write:

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maybe you should seek a 2nd opinion, DUH! She is going to talk to the GI

and see who he recommends because I told her I think we want to see someone

who specializes in EG. >>

Dawn:

I hope you and get some relief. It is horrible to watch our kids suffer.

Please keep us posted on what is happeneing with . I hope that he does

not have to be admitted again.

love,

sharon

mommy to Jake (5)-nda, and fraternal 34.5 week twins Cole (3/30/97) - nda

(reformed refluxer) and Clayton(3/30/97) (eosinophil gastroenteritis, mild

developmental delays, food allergies (milk, soy, egg, wheat) Nissen and g-tube

scheduled 8/14/97)

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Big time warning..... A past doc of ours wanted to do this to Spencer and

put him on only TPN. Without anything going into the gut your liver can

die. And it can die fast. Doc's out here tell me that they always have

something going into the gut. At least a few oz's or so a day so that the

Liver can produce bial. This is definate short term fix and may cause long

term effects. I would seek out a second opinion quick. I would ask them

to put in an ng tube and drip in at a very slow rate something like Neocate

and Vivonex formula. It is absolutely unheard of to be allergic to these

formulas. If you do end up showing eos's anywhere your child probably has

Primary Eos Gasttritis or Esophigitis or Colitis. This is the disease and

the Eos will not go away if you eliminate all foods. My son had

Eosinophilic esophigitis/gastritis and colitis. The esophigitis/gastritis

mostly went away with the elemental formula but the colitis was out of

control. Am I making any sense?? I am just very scared for you and your

child and how there are some stupid doc's out there. Write if I can be of

any help. Believe me, I am and was going through all of this as we speak.

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> Subject: [eosinophilic gastroenteritis] GI's big answers

> Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 3:36 PM

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>

>

> Well everyone, our GI doc called back. He wanted me to throw in

the

> car and admit him. has been in the hospital a total of 22 times.

We

> are trying very hard to keep him out as much as we can. I asked him what

> he planned to do at the hospital. The nurse said bowel rest. I asked

her

> how she thought this would solve 's problems long term. She said it

> wouldn't solve any problems long term but short term might make him feel

> better for a little while. I told her that I did not want any more short

> term solutions, that I want to know how to make better. She said

> maybe you should seek a 2nd opinion, DUH! She is going to talk to the GI

> and see who he recommends because I told her I think we want to see

someone

> who specializes in EG.

> Dawn, mommy to Dakota(just a cutie-patootie) and (EG and fundo 10/96

> and hoping there is light at the end of this dark tunnel)

>

>

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They have put in the hospital countless (10-12 times) and given him

this bowel rest as they call it. Where they put in an IV and give his

tummy a few days to heal but you are right this is very short term.

was back to square one in a week or two, back with a very irritated tummy.

This is just not cutting it anymore and the GI knows it. He said to me

today, it seemed that took 1 step forward and 2 back. We have an

appt to see this Dr. Vanderhoof in Omaha August 18th. Ideally, he will

turn out great since he is only 4 hours away and it possible to follow with

him on a semi-regular basis. I am going to call tomorrow and ask what his

plans for are.

was on a ng tube this year for 4 months and did wonderful, never

complained of pain. Ideally, we would be able to let him eat without a

tube. I don't know, maybe we can't. That is one of my reasons for seeing

another doc. Our GI doc has not mentioned going back to the tube and

truthfully, we really don't want to go back to the tube but if it makes the

pain and irritation go away, then maybe that is what has to be done.

has never had an eos free biopsy.

If you do end up showing eos's anywhere your child probably has

Primary Eos Gasttritis or Esophigitis or Colitis. This is the disease and

the Eos will not go away if you eliminate all foods.

What is Colitis? Symptoms?

Thanks

Dawn

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Colitis is severe swelling of the large bowel. Symptoms of Colitis are

projectile vomiting and or retching if you have the fundo and tons of

diarrhea along with terrible belly aches. I would recommend changing him

to Neocate or Vivonex on the feeding tube and do this for a month or two

and do endoscopy and colonoscopy for eos's and treat very agressively with

steroids IV preferrably. Changing to the elemental formula will allow for

the biopsies to show where he has the Primary Eos's not just triggered by

allergins. Does you son have any problems with weight gain. How old and

how much does he weigh and height?

Has he ever had huge doses of IV steroids before?

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> Subject: [eosinophilic gastroenteritis] Re: GI's big answers

> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 1:06 AM

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>

>

> They have put in the hospital countless (10-12 times) and given him

> this bowel rest as they call it. Where they put in an IV and give his

> tummy a few days to heal but you are right this is very short term.

> was back to square one in a week or two, back with a very irritated

tummy.

> This is just not cutting it anymore and the GI knows it. He said to me

> today, it seemed that took 1 step forward and 2 back. We have an

> appt to see this Dr. Vanderhoof in Omaha August 18th. Ideally, he will

> turn out great since he is only 4 hours away and it possible to follow

with

> him on a semi-regular basis. I am going to call tomorrow and ask what

his

> plans for are.

>

> was on a ng tube this year for 4 months and did wonderful, never

> complained of pain. Ideally, we would be able to let him eat without a

> tube. I don't know, maybe we can't. That is one of my reasons for

seeing

> another doc. Our GI doc has not mentioned going back to the tube and

> truthfully, we really don't want to go back to the tube but if it makes

the

> pain and irritation go away, then maybe that is what has to be done.

>

> has never had an eos free biopsy.

>

> If you do end up showing eos's anywhere your child probably has

> Primary Eos Gasttritis or Esophigitis or Colitis. This is the disease

and

> the Eos will not go away if you eliminate all foods.

>

> What is Colitis? Symptoms?

>

> Thanks

> Dawn

>

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has a really hard time with weight gain. The only time he gained

weight was when he was tube fed the hypo allergenic formula. He has lost

all that since. Right now he is 34 months old, 34 inches tall and around

23 lbs. At 12 months, he weighed 20 lbs when they did the fundo. It has

been downhill ever since.

Dawn

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I literally can't believe it. Spencer's story is exactly the same. Please

call me if you would like to talk about any of this. Dr. Putnam at chp

would love to see your son. You should really put the call into him or

email your story to him. He might want to do a paper on our two kids. He

was so upset that my son had the fundo done. My son did go downhill once

his fundo was done as well. Although he had to be life flighted to the

children's hospital when they finally did it. That's what it took. Can I

ask why they don't have him on an elemental formula with all of those eos's

in his system? Seems like that would be a given under his severe

circumstances. And does he have a g-tube?

My phone is ext 46 at the Mc house in Pittsburgh

or my cell phone is

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> Subject: [eosinophilic gastroenteritis] Re: GI's big answers

> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 1:54 AM

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> has a really hard time with weight gain. The only time he gained

> weight was when he was tube fed the hypo allergenic formula. He has lost

> all that since. Right now he is 34 months old, 34 inches tall and around

> 23 lbs. At 12 months, he weighed 20 lbs when they did the fundo. It has

> been downhill ever since.

> Dawn

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He doesn't have a g-tube, he eats orally. He eats ok most of the time,

sometimes very poorly. Since he has been on the Prednisone he eats a lot

better but that just means more stools. It sounds like Spencer is a lot

sicker than . To just look at , he looks like a normal kid but

feed him once and look out. His stools smell so bad they could clear a

room. We also see a lot of undigested food in them. Our GI doc told us

that is common with EG.

Dawn

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Subject: [eosinophilic gastroenteritis] Re: GI's big answers

Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 12:55 AM

I literally can't believe it. Spencer's story is exactly the same. Please

call me if you would like to talk about any of this. Dr. Putnam at chp

would love to see your son. You should really put the call into him or

email your story to him. He might want to do a paper on our two kids. He

was so upset that my son had the fundo done. My son did go downhill once

his fundo was done as well. Although he had to be life flighted to the

children's hospital when they finally did it. That's what it took. Can I

ask why they don't have him on an elemental formula with all of those eos's

in his system? Seems like that would be a given under his severe

circumstances. And does he have a g-tube?

My phone is ext 46 at the Mc house in Pittsburgh

or my cell phone is

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> To: eosinophilic gastroenteritis (AT) onelist (DOT) com

> Subject: [eosinophilic gastroenteritis] Re: GI's big answers

> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 1:54 AM

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>

>

> has a really hard time with weight gain. The only time he gained

> weight was when he was tube fed the hypo allergenic formula. He has lost

> all that since. Right now he is 34 months old, 34 inches tall and around

> 23 lbs. At 12 months, he weighed 20 lbs when they did the fundo. It has

> been downhill ever since.

> Dawn

>

>

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In a message dated 98-08-07 19:10:42 EDT, you write:

<< Maybe I am getting kids confused here.. I thought your son was going for

a Nissen/GT placement?

If so. you may want to ask about a trial of Neocate therapy FIRST. We

did the Nissen before we knew our kids all had eosinophilic esophagitis

and NOW, looking back we all wish we had tried the combination

prednisone/neocate first. There are many other complications that can

come after the NIssen and we all think the refluxing would have improved

with the prednisone/Neocate.

>>

:

it is my son Clayton - who is going for the Nissen and g-tube therapy - He has

already been on a sole Neocate diet and all reflux meds. It appears that his

EG is caused solely by allergies - due to the severe excema that he gets and

for some reason has right now (apparently the little that he eats by mouth

bothers him) - or he was tasting his twins food. He wants to taste things but

then refuses to eat it.

Trust me Dr, knows all about the complications of the Nissen and tried

to avoid it with Clayton but he finally feels that this is the right thing -

especuially after 300 reflux episodes in less than 24 hours while on reflux

meds.

love,

sharon

mommy to Jake (5)-nda, and fraternal 34.5 week twins Cole (3/30/97) - nda

(reformed refluxer) and Clayton(3/30/97) (eosinophil gastroenteritis, mild

developmental delays, food allergies (milk, soy, egg, wheat) Nissen and g-tube

scheduled 8/14/97)

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In a message dated 98-08-07 19:35:06 EDT, you write:

<< I can even live with him going to TPN if it keeps him happy and

comfortable, though he will really miss sweimming. ANd let's not

mention the fact that no doc thinks we will ever get off prednisone

again... the long term effects of that one are scary indeed. >>

I am so sorry for y ou . Have they tried flonase - I believet that

is the medication that worked for Amy's child Bryce - with success. It may be

worth a try.

love,

sharon

mommy to Jake (5)-nda, and fraternal 34.5 week twins Cole (3/30/97) - nda

(reformed refluxer) and Clayton(3/30/97) (eosinophil gastroenteritis, mild

developmental delays, food allergies (milk, soy, egg, wheat) Nissen and g-tube

scheduled 8/14/97)

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Oh my oh my dawn...

Maybe I am getting kids confused here.. I thought your son was going for

a Nissen/GT placement?

If so. you may want to ask about a trial of Neocate therapy FIRST. We

did the Nissen before we knew our kids all had eosinophilic esophagitis

and NOW, looking back we all wish we had tried the combination

prednisone/neocate first. There are many other complications that can

come after the NIssen and we all think the refluxing would have improved

with the prednisone/Neocate.

I just read the post where you mentioned your son was eating and I was

thinking all this time he was already on the Neocate/prednisone regimen.

Hard to keep all these kids straight sometimes.

SJHarlow@...

http://www.c4isr.com/harlow

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I wonder what the future holds for our kids. Obviously, at least in our

case with eos esophagitis, I am 35 years old and have not " outgrown " it

and none of us have any hope our kids will either, our oldest having had

it documented 11 years ago.

I can live with Kody being GT fed forever if he is happy and

comfortable. Its just this daily hell and those days (like we had last

week) when everyone is cyring with chest pain and says they can't

swallow.

I can even live with him going to TPN if it keeps him happy and

comfortable, though he will really miss sweimming. ANd let's not

mention the fact that no doc thinks we will ever get off prednisone

again... the long term effects of that one are scary indeed.

SJHarlow@...

http://www.c4isr.com/harlow

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> Maybe I am getting kids confused here.. I thought your son was going for

> a Nissen/GT placement?

>

That is Sharon's son Clayton although I am afraid we are headed to the

g-tube. Already had the Nissen.

> If so. you may want to ask about a trial of Neocate therapy FIRST. We

> did the Nissen before we knew our kids all had eosinophilic esophagitis

> and NOW, looking back we all wish we had tried the combination

> prednisone/neocate first.

You and me too! We were told had reflux and the Nissen would solve

our problems, LOL!

He refuses to drink any formula. Our only option if we go back to formula

only, is tube feeding. We may opt to go back to the ng.

Dawn

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I agree fully. So many children in need of Steroid therepy are receiving

the Fundo surgery unnessarily. One of the big side effects of Eos's is

vomiting.

Please don't go with the Fundo untill you try Steroids with an elemental

formula.

This may nessesitate having an ng tube if your child doesn't already have a

g-tube. The elemental formual is nasty.

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> To: eosinophilic gastroenteritis (AT) onelist (DOT) com

> Subject: [eosinophilic gastroenteritis] Re: GI's big answers

> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:10 PM

>

> From: SJHarlow@...

>

> Oh my oh my dawn...

>

> Maybe I am getting kids confused here.. I thought your son was going for

> a Nissen/GT placement?

>

> If so. you may want to ask about a trial of Neocate therapy FIRST. We

> did the Nissen before we knew our kids all had eosinophilic esophagitis

> and NOW, looking back we all wish we had tried the combination

> prednisone/neocate first. There are many other complications that can

> come after the NIssen and we all think the refluxing would have improved

> with the prednisone/Neocate.

>

>

> I just read the post where you mentioned your son was eating and I was

> thinking all this time he was already on the Neocate/prednisone regimen.

>

> Hard to keep all these kids straight sometimes.

>

> SJHarlow@...

> http://www.c4isr.com/harlow

>

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Okay, just ignore my last post. I am getting people confused to. I knew

Sharon's was having a Nissen next Friday but I couldn't remember if Dawn's

child had had it. I remember all now.

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> Subject: [eosinophilic gastroenteritis] Re: GI's big answers

> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:43 PM

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Maybe I am getting kids confused here.. I thought your son was going

for

> > a Nissen/GT placement?

> >

> That is Sharon's son Clayton although I am afraid we are headed to the

> g-tube. Already had the Nissen.

>

> > If so. you may want to ask about a trial of Neocate therapy FIRST. We

> > did the Nissen before we knew our kids all had eosinophilic esophagitis

> > and NOW, looking back we all wish we had tried the combination

> > prednisone/neocate first.

>

> You and me too! We were told had reflux and the Nissen would solve

> our problems, LOL!

>

> He refuses to drink any formula. Our only option if we go back to

formula

> only, is tube feeding. We may opt to go back to the ng.

>

> Dawn

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Did you all know that children on Steroid therepy are eligible for growth

hormones?

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> To: eosinophilic gastroenteritis (AT) onelist (DOT) com

> Subject: [eosinophilic gastroenteritis] Re: GI's big answers

> Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 7:34 PM

>

> From: SJHarlow@...

>

> I wonder what the future holds for our kids. Obviously, at least in our

> case with eos esophagitis, I am 35 years old and have not " outgrown " it

> and none of us have any hope our kids will either, our oldest having had

> it documented 11 years ago.

>

> I can live with Kody being GT fed forever if he is happy and

> comfortable. Its just this daily hell and those days (like we had last

> week) when everyone is cyring with chest pain and says they can't

> swallow.

>

> I can even live with him going to TPN if it keeps him happy and

> comfortable, though he will really miss sweimming. ANd let's not

> mention the fact that no doc thinks we will ever get off prednisone

> again... the long term effects of that one are scary indeed.

>

> SJHarlow@...

> http://www.c4isr.com/harlow

>

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Sharon have you tried steroid therepy yet?

I got your message yesterday....I didn't get back to the house until late.

Spencer jabbed me in the eye with a pen last night. My whites on one eye

are bleeding and it hurts so bad.

P.S. We just purchased the tickets. We arrive in Philly at 11:11 pm

Friday I hope that is not too late. We wanted to maximize the time out

there and my hubby has to work on Friday so he will be driving after work

to pick me up. Then we leave on Monday late afternoon.

Is this okay??

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> To: eosinophilic gastroenteritis (AT) onelist (DOT) com

> Subject: [eosinophilic gastroenteritis] Re: GI's big answers

> Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 8:40 AM

>

> From: SJHarlow@...

>

> Sharon-

>

> I was the one who told AMy about Flonase... and we tried it first and it

> did not work for ANY of my kids.

>

> Bites, doesnt it.

>

> SJHarlow@...

> http://www.c4isr.com/harlow

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> I can even live with him going to TPN if it keeps him happy and

> comfortable, though he will really miss sweimming. ANd let's not

> mention the fact that no doc thinks we will ever get off prednisone

> again... the long term effects of that one are scary indeed.

>

Would someone explain TPN to me? I am afraid I don't know what it is. I

know that it stands for total parental nutrition but that is all I know.

Also, how many of you others with EG have been told that children outgrow

it?

Thanks

Dawn

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Vein food. Hyperellamentation and hyperlipids (fats).

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> Subject: [eosinophilic gastroenteritis] Re: GI's big answers

> Date: Saturday, August 08, 1998 2:03 PM

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>

>

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> > I can even live with him going to TPN if it keeps him happy and

> > comfortable, though he will really miss sweimming. ANd let's not

> > mention the fact that no doc thinks we will ever get off prednisone

> > again... the long term effects of that one are scary indeed.

> >

> Would someone explain TPN to me? I am afraid I don't know what it is. I

> know that it stands for total parental nutrition but that is all I know.

>

> Also, how many of you others with EG have been told that children outgrow

> it?

>

> Thanks

> Dawn

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In a message dated 98-08-08 08:40:55 EDT, you write:

<< Bites, doesnt it. >>

Yes it does. Did you try the liquid or the inhaled form. HSe tried the

liquid. Maybe that is the difference.

I am sorry that it did not work for your kids. Hopefully something will work

soon.

love,

sharon

mommy to Jake (5)-nda, and fraternal 34.5 week twins Cole (3/30/97) - nda

(reformed refluxer) and Clayton(3/30/97) (eosinophil gastroenteritis, mild

developmental delays, food allergies (milk, soy, egg, wheat) Nissen and g-tube

scheduled 8/14/97)

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In a message dated 98-08-08 11:34:39 EDT, you write:

<< Sharon have you tried steroid therepy yet?

I got your message yesterday....I didn't get back to the house until late.

Spencer jabbed me in the eye with a pen last night. My whites on one eye

are bleeding and it hurts so bad.

P.S. We just purchased the tickets. We arrive in Philly at 11:11 pm

Friday I hope that is not too late. We wanted to maximize the time out

there and my hubby has to work on Friday so he will be driving after work

to pick me up. Then we leave on Monday late afternoon.

Is this okay?? >>

No steroids yet. RIght now they need to get his reflux under control - it is

really bad and he needs the proper nutrition.

No 11:11pm is not too late. I will pick you up - the boys will be sleeping.

Late Monday afternoon is great. Call me before you go to Utah - so we can make

the arrangements. We are so excited to see you. It will be fun and I am sure

the boys will have lots of fun.

love,

sharon

mommy to Jake (5)-nda, and fraternal 34.5 week twins Cole (3/30/97) - nda

(reformed refluxer) and Clayton(3/30/97) (eosinophil gastroenteritis, mild

developmental delays, food allergies (milk, soy, egg, wheat) Nissen and g-tube

scheduled 8/14/97)

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In a message dated 98-08-08 13:50:51 EDT, you write:

<< Also, how many of you others with EG have been told that children outgrow

it? >>

Dr, said that most kids will out grow it but not all. He said that

usually they are able to get most kids to eat some foods without problems -

but some are only able to tolerate 5-6 foods. I do not know where we will fit

in.

love,

sharon

mommy to Jake (5)-nda, and fraternal 34.5 week twins Cole (3/30/97) - nda

(reformed refluxer) and Clayton(3/30/97) (eosinophil gastroenteritis, mild

developmental delays, food allergies (milk, soy, egg, wheat) Nissen and g-tube

scheduled 8/14/97)

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