Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 Wow. I'm fairly certain my patience with the BMJ's headline grabbing sensationalist medical news has come to an end. While hysterectomies have indeed been performed for many poor reasons and even in the face of alternatives, this placebo surgery crap applied in consideration of hysterectomy vs. simply a placebo placed incision is ludicrous. If this is an example of the editorial control/thinking behind BMJ, no wonder they have such a strong tendency to polarize me. Carla dionne ****************************** Expert suggests short cut to recovery By Dunn Health Reporter May 6, 2004 You've heard of placebo pills, but one the world's leading medical experts now advocates the benefits of placebo surgery. The editor of the British Medical Journal, , says placebo surgery - where patients in a trial don't know if they've had an operation or not - was sometimes as effective as the real thing. Dr , who presented a paper on the topic at the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons congress in Melbourne yesterday, said placebo surgery could provide better evidence of the effectiveness of a procedure and reduce the number of patients having unnecessary surgery. read the rest here: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/05/05/1083635211039.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2004 Report Share Posted May 5, 2004 This reminds me of those traditional healers, I think from Latin America, where they remove organs during a ceremony. I saw it on television, one of those news magazines years ago. I think what they do is use animal parts, chicken gizzards and the like, to simulate the removal and the patients believe it. But as my book Clinical Gynecologic Endocrinology and Infertility says (I'm paraphrasing) while the definition of placebo is " to please " there are very real positive affects of placebos which demonstrate that the mind-body connection is real. They conclude that more should be looked at in this regard. I agree with Carla though and I'm sure you do as well. For women with symptomatic fibroids a placebo isn't going to cut it (pun intended) but there are other alternatives. On a related note I found this article the other day by a psychologist which talks about how to improve health and train the brain to combat negative thoughts with positive ones. Cultivating Positive Emotions to Optimize Health and Well-Being http://journals.apa.org/prevention/volume3/pre0030001a.html Ann While hysterectomies > have indeed been performed for many poor reasons and even in the face > of alternatives, this placebo surgery crap applied in consideration > of hysterectomy vs. simply a placebo placed incision is ludicrous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 I am very confused regarding this and to be honest in the beginning I could not believe what I was reading. One has to assume that placebo hysterectomy would only be performed on women in menopause who do not have periods any more.... andra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 I am very confused regarding this and to be honest in the beginning I could not believe what I was reading. One has to assume that placebo hysterectomy would only be performed on women in menopause who do not have periods any more.... andra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 I am very confused regarding this and to be honest in the beginning I could not believe what I was reading. One has to assume that placebo hysterectomy would only be performed on women in menopause who do not have periods any more.... andra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Let's see if we can get placebo castrations for insurance executives. gg andra Pappou wrote: >I am very confused regarding this and to be honest in the beginning I could not believe what I was reading. One has to assume that placebo hysterectomy would only be performed on women in menopause who do not have periods any more.... > >andra > > > > > >MEETUP! with other local women who have Uterine Fibroids. http://uterinefibroids.meetup.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Let's see if we can get placebo castrations for insurance executives. gg andra Pappou wrote: >I am very confused regarding this and to be honest in the beginning I could not believe what I was reading. One has to assume that placebo hysterectomy would only be performed on women in menopause who do not have periods any more.... > >andra > > > > > >MEETUP! with other local women who have Uterine Fibroids. http://uterinefibroids.meetup.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Let's see if we can get placebo castrations for insurance executives. gg andra Pappou wrote: >I am very confused regarding this and to be honest in the beginning I could not believe what I was reading. One has to assume that placebo hysterectomy would only be performed on women in menopause who do not have periods any more.... > >andra > > > > > >MEETUP! with other local women who have Uterine Fibroids. http://uterinefibroids.meetup.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Hear, hear! Leonie > Let's see if we can get placebo castrations for insurance executives. > gg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Hear, hear! Leonie > Let's see if we can get placebo castrations for insurance executives. > gg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Hear, hear! Leonie > Let's see if we can get placebo castrations for insurance executives. > gg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 So does that mean that the idiot who didn't take out my tumor but said he did gave me a placebo myomectomy. Well we saw how well that worked in two months I was back to standing in puddles of my own blood and had to have a " real one " IDIOTS only a male doctor would think that would work --- gigi schaumburg gschaumburg@...> wrote: > Let's see if we can get placebo castrations for > insurance executives. > gg > > andra Pappou wrote: > > >I am very confused regarding this and to be honest > in the beginning I could not believe what I was > reading. One has to assume that placebo hysterectomy > would only be performed on women in menopause who do > not have periods any more.... > > > >andra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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