Re: Ann/Mikell, UD + strange period pain = ???

[Guest guest]

Ann only had a vaginal septum resection- she doesnt

have uterine scarring to worry about.

--- Mikell Awwad mikell_awwad@...> wrote:

> Ann,

>

> I would tell your doctor about this and monitor your

> subsequent AF's. A reduction in flow can be a sign

> of scarring in the uterus. I was so happy after my

> D&C when AF diminished to almost nothing, until I

> found out that my uterus was 95% scarred and

> pregnancy would be impossible. Are you going to

> have a follow-up HSG to check for scarring? That is

> what my RE did after she performed my lap/hyst to

> check that she had removed all of the scarring and

> this seems to be standard practice by many RE's.

>

> Good luck to you! I hope you start feeling back to

> normal again soon!

>

> Mikell, 34

> t-shape

> lap/hyst 8/04

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ann only had a vaginal septum resection- she doesnt

have uterine scarring to worry about.

--- Mikell Awwad mikell_awwad@...> wrote:

> Ann,

>

> I would tell your doctor about this and monitor your

> subsequent AF's. A reduction in flow can be a sign

> of scarring in the uterus. I was so happy after my

> D&C when AF diminished to almost nothing, until I

> found out that my uterus was 95% scarred and

> pregnancy would be impossible. Are you going to

> have a follow-up HSG to check for scarring? That is

> what my RE did after she performed my lap/hyst to

> check that she had removed all of the scarring and

> this seems to be standard practice by many RE's.

>

> Good luck to you! I hope you start feeling back to

> normal again soon!

>

> Mikell, 34

> t-shape

> lap/hyst 8/04

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ann only had a vaginal septum resection- she doesnt

have uterine scarring to worry about.

--- Mikell Awwad mikell_awwad@...> wrote:

> Ann,

>

> I would tell your doctor about this and monitor your

> subsequent AF's. A reduction in flow can be a sign

> of scarring in the uterus. I was so happy after my

> D&C when AF diminished to almost nothing, until I

> found out that my uterus was 95% scarred and

> pregnancy would be impossible. Are you going to

> have a follow-up HSG to check for scarring? That is

> what my RE did after she performed my lap/hyst to

> check that she had removed all of the scarring and

> this seems to be standard practice by many RE's.

>

> Good luck to you! I hope you start feeling back to

> normal again soon!

>

> Mikell, 34

> t-shape

> lap/hyst 8/04

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

Thanks for clarifying! Boy was I way off. Is it possible that there could be

damage to the cervix from the surgery that is reducing the flow?

Mikell

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

Thanks for clarifying! Boy was I way off. Is it possible that there could be

damage to the cervix from the surgery that is reducing the flow?

Mikell

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

Thanks for clarifying! Boy was I way off. Is it possible that there could be

damage to the cervix from the surgery that is reducing the flow?

Mikell

[Guest guest]

Hmmm. . .good idea. . . I thought about that, but my doc didn't touch

my cervixes during sx, and during the second HSG, only the right side

was cannulated.

When I do a " where's the body part " image, the closest that I can get

to where the area that's pained is my left ovary. I wonder if I might

have some undiagnosed endo on/around it?

--- Mikell Awwad mikell_awwad@...> wrote:

> Heidi,

> Thanks for clarifying! Boy was I way off. Is it possible that there

> could be damage to the cervix from the surgery that is reducing the

> flow?

> Mikell

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm. . .good idea. . . I thought about that, but my doc didn't touch

my cervixes during sx, and during the second HSG, only the right side

was cannulated.

When I do a " where's the body part " image, the closest that I can get

to where the area that's pained is my left ovary. I wonder if I might

have some undiagnosed endo on/around it?

--- Mikell Awwad mikell_awwad@...> wrote:

> Heidi,

> Thanks for clarifying! Boy was I way off. Is it possible that there

> could be damage to the cervix from the surgery that is reducing the

> flow?

> Mikell

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm. . .good idea. . . I thought about that, but my doc didn't touch

my cervixes during sx, and during the second HSG, only the right side

was cannulated.

When I do a " where's the body part " image, the closest that I can get

to where the area that's pained is my left ovary. I wonder if I might

have some undiagnosed endo on/around it?

--- Mikell Awwad mikell_awwad@...> wrote:

> Heidi,

> Thanks for clarifying! Boy was I way off. Is it possible that there

> could be damage to the cervix from the surgery that is reducing the

> flow?

> Mikell

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi I'm UD and I just wanted to chime in that I get those sharp pains

too that seem like they could be my ovary. The funny thing is that

I'm pregnant right now and I still get them occasionally so I'm really

not sure.

I would think that it could be normal for only one uterus to bleed

each month if only one ovary ovulated. I'm not really sure how that

works.

Tell you doctor if you are concerned but sometimes when we are

focusing extra hard on our bodies we notice things that we just didn't

notice before but maybe were happening all along?

I would just keep on monitoring and mention it to your doc. next time

you see him/her.

M. UD

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[Guest guest]

Hi I'm UD and I just wanted to chime in that I get those sharp pains

too that seem like they could be my ovary. The funny thing is that

I'm pregnant right now and I still get them occasionally so I'm really

not sure.

I would think that it could be normal for only one uterus to bleed

each month if only one ovary ovulated. I'm not really sure how that

works.

Tell you doctor if you are concerned but sometimes when we are

focusing extra hard on our bodies we notice things that we just didn't

notice before but maybe were happening all along?

I would just keep on monitoring and mention it to your doc. next time

you see him/her.

M. UD

-

[Guest guest]

Hi I'm UD and I just wanted to chime in that I get those sharp pains

too that seem like they could be my ovary. The funny thing is that

I'm pregnant right now and I still get them occasionally so I'm really

not sure.

I would think that it could be normal for only one uterus to bleed

each month if only one ovary ovulated. I'm not really sure how that

works.

Tell you doctor if you are concerned but sometimes when we are

focusing extra hard on our bodies we notice things that we just didn't

notice before but maybe were happening all along?

I would just keep on monitoring and mention it to your doc. next time

you see him/her.

M. UD

-

[Guest guest]

all uterine tissue- no matter where it is- in the

cavity of your uterus (uteri) or on endometrial

implants outside the uterus- bleeds/sheds in response

to hormonal signaling from the brain and general

hormonal signals in your bloodstream, during your

period. thus, even if you ovulate on just one side-

you always bleed from both sides.

best

hwt

--- gr33nieslp sarahmellman@...> wrote:

> Hi I'm UD and I just wanted to chime in that I get

> those sharp pains

> too that seem like they could be my ovary. The

> funny thing is that

> I'm pregnant right now and I still get them

> occasionally so I'm really

> not sure.

>

> I would think that it could be normal for only one

> uterus to bleed

> each month if only one ovary ovulated. I'm not

> really sure how that

> works.

>

> Tell you doctor if you are concerned but sometimes

> when we are

> focusing extra hard on our bodies we notice things

> that we just didn't

> notice before but maybe were happening all along?

>

> I would just keep on monitoring and mention it to

> your doc. next time

> you see him/her.

>

> M. UD

>

> -

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

all uterine tissue- no matter where it is- in the

cavity of your uterus (uteri) or on endometrial

implants outside the uterus- bleeds/sheds in response

to hormonal signaling from the brain and general

hormonal signals in your bloodstream, during your

period. thus, even if you ovulate on just one side-

you always bleed from both sides.

best

hwt

--- gr33nieslp sarahmellman@...> wrote:

> Hi I'm UD and I just wanted to chime in that I get

> those sharp pains

> too that seem like they could be my ovary. The

> funny thing is that

> I'm pregnant right now and I still get them

> occasionally so I'm really

> not sure.

>

> I would think that it could be normal for only one

> uterus to bleed

> each month if only one ovary ovulated. I'm not

> really sure how that

> works.

>

> Tell you doctor if you are concerned but sometimes

> when we are

> focusing extra hard on our bodies we notice things

> that we just didn't

> notice before but maybe were happening all along?

>

> I would just keep on monitoring and mention it to

> your doc. next time

> you see him/her.

>

> M. UD

>

> -

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

all uterine tissue- no matter where it is- in the

cavity of your uterus (uteri) or on endometrial

implants outside the uterus- bleeds/sheds in response

to hormonal signaling from the brain and general

hormonal signals in your bloodstream, during your

period. thus, even if you ovulate on just one side-

you always bleed from both sides.

best

hwt

--- gr33nieslp sarahmellman@...> wrote:

> Hi I'm UD and I just wanted to chime in that I get

> those sharp pains

> too that seem like they could be my ovary. The

> funny thing is that

> I'm pregnant right now and I still get them

> occasionally so I'm really

> not sure.

>

> I would think that it could be normal for only one

> uterus to bleed

> each month if only one ovary ovulated. I'm not

> really sure how that

> works.

>

> Tell you doctor if you are concerned but sometimes

> when we are

> focusing extra hard on our bodies we notice things

> that we just didn't

> notice before but maybe were happening all along?

>

> I would just keep on monitoring and mention it to

> your doc. next time

> you see him/her.

>

> M. UD

>

> -

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ann,

ovary endo- maybe, but the more likely explanation is

that you are having ovulations pains that are

different from your usual pattern during to changes in

hormones iinduced by post-surg drugs.

best

h

--- Ann Chavie ann_chavie@...> wrote:

> Hmmm. . .good idea. . . I thought about that, but my

> doc didn't touch

> my cervixes during sx, and during the second HSG,

> only the right side

> was cannulated.

>

> When I do a " where's the body part " image, the

> closest that I can get

> to where the area that's pained is my left ovary. I

> wonder if I might

> have some undiagnosed endo on/around it?

>

> --- Mikell Awwad mikell_awwad@...> wrote:

>

> > Heidi,

> > Thanks for clarifying! Boy was I way off. Is it

> possible that there

> > could be damage to the cervix from the surgery

> that is reducing the

> > flow?

> > Mikell

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Mikell,

in theory, yes, but i bet there were pretty darn sure

to be very careful around Ann's cervices- it would

take a major botch job on the surgery for this to

happen. in addition- Anns doc wouldve likely noticed

cervical scarring on post-surgical examinations, but

yes in theory you are defnitely right

best

hwt

--- Mikell Awwad mikell_awwad@...> wrote:

> Heidi,

> Thanks for clarifying! Boy was I way off. Is it

> possible that there could be damage to the cervix

> from the surgery that is reducing the flow?

> Mikell

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm tracking it, and will raise it with my doc. I'm more and more

convinced that the Premarin is at the heart of it all.

I think I've just about wrapped up my period - never did see anything

on the right side of the tampons though. Oddness.

Keeping my fingers crossed now that we can start trying in earnest.

Send all surplus baby dust my way, please!

A

--- Heidi Thermenos heidi_thermenos@...> wrote:

> Ann,

> ovary endo- maybe, but the more likely explanation is

> that you are having ovulations pains that are

> different from your usual pattern during to changes in

> hormones iinduced by post-surg drugs.

>

> best

> h

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[Guest guest]

Ann,

I hope your pain goes away soon. You are probably right the the hormones may be

having an influence. Do you know if it could be an ovarian cyst? I get them

occassionally and there seems to be no rhyme or reason as to when they pop up.

I do remember having some pretty painful ones after my D&C. I also had some

lower abdomen pain after my lap/hyst that seemed like cysts and I think I was

taking estradial and then later progesterone. They eventually went away on

their own, but they were annoying while they were there. Any time I mention it

to my doctors, they typically take a wait and see approach.

I don't recall, have you had a lap that would diagnose this? I have had two

exploratory laps for this pain and I had scarcely any endo at all. But, endo

could definitely be a factor.

I forgot I wanted to tell you, FWIW, my tampons don't always have blood on both

sides and I don't have any vaginal abnormalities (which I think is obvious from

my previous post to you - I'm soooo sorry about that! A vaginal septum and

uterine septum are definitely not the same thing). It might just be the way it

is positioned in your vagina. But, it never hurts to mention it to your doctor.

You never know what they might have to say about these things.

Best wishes with the ttc! Sending lots of baby dust your way!

Mikell

[Guest guest]

--- Mikell Awwad mikell_awwad@...> wrote:

> I hope your pain goes away soon.

Thanks! I think I'll just have to keep an eye (err. . . nerve. . . )on

it, and I'll DEFINITELY raise it with my doc tomorrow.

> I don't recall, have you had a lap that would diagnose this? I have

> had two exploratory laps for this pain and I had scarcely any endo at

> all. But, endo could definitely be a factor.

No lap - my RE figures that the abdominal myomectomy (fibroid removal)

that I had in 1997 would have clearly have shown what the outside of my

insides (ha!) looks like, and used an MRI to confirm (with all relevent

disclosures as to proper procedure, and read by my RE, not the MRI

folks). If the weird pain continues more than a few cycles, I'll ask

my RE to check on it.

> I forgot I wanted to tell you, FWIW, my tampons don't always have

> blood on both sides and I don't have any vaginal abnormalities (which

> I think is obvious from my previous post to you - I'm soooo sorry

> about that! A vaginal septum and uterine septum are definitely not

> the same thing). It might just be the way it is positioned in your

> vagina. But, it never hurts to mention it to your doctor. You

> never know what they might have to say about these things.

I am SOOOOO happy to hear this. I can't imagine asking these kinds of

questions anywhere else, and the wonderful folks on this board have

always managed to put everything in perspective for me. Thanks! (and

definitely no worries re: misunderstanding!!!)

> Best wishes with the ttc! Sending lots of baby dust your way!

Taking all I can get! Thanks!

Ann

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[Guest guest]

Hello again Ann -

I have the same thing. For at least the first couple of days the

tampon is only " used " on one side. I explained it to one doctor that

it seems like at times the other side " catches " up and bleeds a

little later. I don't know about the pains though. I do have pains

when I ovulate but I usually don't get sharp pains during my period.

This is fun isn't it?!?!

-

>

> > Heidi,

> > Thanks for clarifying! Boy was I way off. Is it

> > possible that there could be damage to the cervix

> > from the surgery that is reducing the flow?

> > Mikell

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, !

Nice to " see " you again.

> I have the same thing.

Thanks - another data point is tremendously helpful! Helps with the

" oh, great. . . one MORE thing that my body's all messed up and

different! " feeling.

At least my RE is *used* to me asking numerous repetitive and posssibly

inane questions, and doesn't think I'm a nut-job for doing so. . .

thank goodness for that!

> This is fun isn't it?!?!

Oh, yeah. . . wheeeee!

< >

Ann

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[Guest guest]

Ann,

Please let us know how your appointment goes. I remembered after I e-mailed you

that a woman once told me that she was having terrible lower abdominal pain with

her periods. She found out that her flow was not being released but was pooling

in her abdomen. She had to have surgery to correct this. I hope this is not

the case with you, but I thought I should share this with you since you had also

noticed a change in your flow.

Also, plain old constipation can always be a culprit. Any meds you may be

taking can cause this. Pain medicines are the worst! Hormones are a close

second. It would be great if this was the cause of your pain because that can

be easily remedied.

I hope your appointment goes well tomorrow!

Best wishes,

Mikell

[Guest guest]

Hi, Mikell,

I'll definitely post an update re: my doctor's appt. Despite any of my

lunatic ravings since having found my RE ( " am I or am I not fused

UD?! " ), I trust her and like her. Of all the docs that I spoke to (or

tried to speak to but who DIDN't BOTHER RETURNING MY CALL [grrr]), she

was the one who inspired the most confidence. PLUS, I think she's had

her own infertility issues, so she is DEFINITELY compassionate to her

patients.

I've heard of women having the proplem you describe - sometimes b/c

they are UD, but only have 1 cervix that connects the uterus to the

vagina - the other side is closed off, and results in retrograde

menstruation. This isn't the case with me, I think I'm just trying to

get a good grip on how things are *supposed* to work, now that I don't

have 2 vaginal cavities, and have had an estrogen-affected cycle.

> Also, plain old constipation can always be a culprit. Any meds you

> may be taking can cause this. Pain medicines are the worst!

> Hormones are a close second. It would be great if this was the cause

> of your pain because that can be easily remedied.

I have so much fiber in my diet it's a wonder I don't explode! ;P

I haven't taken anything more illicit than ibuprofen for the cramps I

was having. . . though the Darvocet was looking pretty tempting there

for a while. . . so everything seems to be pointing to the d@rned

estrogen! I'll see how everything goes next cycle (crossing fingers

that it's totally unmedicated).

I'm hoping for the best for ya!

Ann

(fused UD. . .we think)

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[Guest guest]

One more question on this topic...

Does anyone else not bleed at night? I put in a new tampon right

before bed and when I wake up there is usually nothing on the

tampon. My flow is usually pretty heavy during the day but nothing

at night. Maybe " normal " people experience this too? Sorry if this

is TMI. But I have to ask!

Thanks!

UD 27

> >

> > > Heidi,

> > > Thanks for clarifying! Boy was I way off. Is it

> > > possible that there could be damage to the cervix

> > > from the surgery that is reducing the flow?

> > > Mikell

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

>