Re: Research - go Carla!

[Guest guest]

> Okay, I am concerned about this because I was thinking about taking

DIM and want to really know all I can before trying this supplement. I

am glad you encourage us to read, read, read and learn, learn, learn,

before utilizing any solution for our fibroids. I agree with you, this

is good and responsible advice. I went to PubMed as you suggested,

here is the study:

>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstra\

ct&list_uids=12597433

Only one concern that I would bring up here with the research you're

citing on this...DIM is NOT I3C. I was confused initially by the

marketing goop masquerading as " science " all over the net too -- but

it is now my understanding that DIM and I3C are not the same nor do

they have the same actions on tumors. Either way, we still don't know

much about long term risks.

Ya' know...I also still want to know why working on a healthy,

well-rounded diet rich in all the right vegetables isn't truly the

BEST way to go. But, every time I ask about this...it seems there's a

bit of silence blowing in the wind... Just eating right is simply

soooooo hard, isn't it?

Thanks for continuing to read read read...and providing us with even

more links on this hot topic!

Carla Dionne

[Guest guest]

Thank you for looking into this and for posting these articles on

the board Carla, et al.

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Is there any truth in the idea that apple juice helps de-clog

arteries? Is it nonsense? I first came across this on some yokel TV

feature, with a Somerset undertaker or mortician making some

throwaway comment. If there's any truth in it, would that be

tannins, or something in the cider making process, like

barrels/vats? Also circumstances of the past aren't the same as

today. For instance the use of pewter.

I understand that drinking tea with a meal inhibits iron absorption.

Is that because of tannin, or the caffeine? Would apple juice be a

good or bad thing for a fibroid sufferer to drink *IF* it's high in

tannin? Following that logic, what about cranberries and other

fruits?

Is this rubbish? Is anyone here a nutritionist?

Aztek

[Guest guest]

Okay, that's a fair question about diet. I've been thinking about it

off and on since you asked a couple of weeks or so ago. The thing

that come to mind first in relationship to diet and fibroids

was....fiber. Fiber has been shown to eliminate estrogen that the

body is trying to excrete through the colon. Low fiber diets are said

to promote the recirculation of that estrogen which can only raise

blood levels of estrogen. Getting fiber into my diet is something I

work on through a high fiber cereal along with fruits, vegetables,

beans, legumes and whole grains. Eating fiber won't cure fibroids but

might it rid our bodies of some of the estrogen that may be

aggravating the condition?

Next, red meat, where it is said that hormones used to raise cattle

are concentrated potentially along with other toxins. Oh goodie!

Fried foods have a horrible nutritional reputation anyway. Does the

fact that excess fats in foods and on the body raises estrogen levels

persuade anyone to lose the fat? I know what a struggle that is, too.

As to the issue of DIM from foods, the health claims associated with

it are untested, unproven. Since we don't know if it or even I3C can

help with fibroids at all, we certainly don't know what dosage level

would be needed. In the purely hypothetical, if there is a dosage

level that would be helpful, it might actually be too large for

anyone to realistically hope to get it exclusively from foods. That's

where the supplement market comes in with their products. IMO the

market acts as if the health benefits of both products are well

established by research which is not true.

Yes, it is hard to eat right. When I was more vigilant about my near

vegetarian diet over the summer and fall, I found I had to prepare my

own foods at home and brown bag lunch. Not bad, you get more control

over what you eat and what goes into the foods you prepare in terms

of controlling fats, sugar, salt and such. As my allergies acted up,

life got more stressful and the flu set it, I turned back to eating

out for lunch more often. Which meant I had to try harder to " eat

right " as I was working as a substitute teacher and the schools do

not always provide even a decent chef's salad as a lunch option. I

switched jobs but am still working in a school environment where the

lunch options leave a lot to be desired. The local restaurants are

better in some cases at providing salads and veggie plates and that

is a help.

I'm not even going to go into the issue of going completely organic,

wearing all cotton clothes all the time or filtering my tap water. It

may be too late for me anyway to go to that extreme.

Okay, that was rambling. Any other thoughts?

Gloria

>

> Only one concern that I would bring up here with the research you're

> citing on this...DIM is NOT I3C. I was confused initially by the

> marketing goop masquerading as " science " all over the net too -- but

> it is now my understanding that DIM and I3C are not the same nor do

> they have the same actions on tumors. Either way, we still don't

know

> much about long term risks.

>

> Ya' know...I also still want to know why working on a healthy,

> well-rounded diet rich in all the right vegetables isn't truly the

> BEST way to go. But, every time I ask about this...it seems

there's a

> bit of silence blowing in the wind... Just eating right is

simply

> soooooo hard, isn't it?

>

> Thanks for continuing to read read read...and providing us with even

> more links on this hot topic!

>

> Carla Dionne