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nafoel wrote:

> Just saw this thread. Just as a comment...my cholesterol lowered

> from 200 to 140 this year....only thing I did differently was start

> HC and Cytomel in April. My diet stayed the same...with the

> exception of adding coconut oil. I always thought it was the

> coconut oil...but could it be the HC or t3???

>

> Is it too low? Seems I read somewhere that low was not so good.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cholesterol_myth_4.html

> > Low cholesterol means more strokes

> >

> > Published at about the same time was a very large study in Japan,

> > covering two decades, which concluded that low levels of blood

> > cholesterol also increase the incidence of stroke.

> >

> > Over the past few decades, Japan has experienced a rapid change in its

> > living and eating patterns. The Japanese are eating more total fat,

> > saturated fatty acids and cholesterol, animal fats and protein, and

> > less rice and vegetables. This has provided a unique opportunity for a

> > large-scale, natural experiment into the effects of those changes.

> >

> > Investigators have shown that this change to Western and urban eating

> > patterns, departing as it does from centuries old traditions, has been

> > accompanied by a general lowering of blood pressure and a large

> > decline in the incidence of stroke deaths and cerebral haemorrhage

> > between the 1960s and the 1980s. They attribute this decline to an

> > increase in blood cholesterol levels over the period. Supporting their

> > findings were the results of a follow-up of 350,000 men screened for

> > the MRFIT in the United States that showed that the risk of death from

> > cerebral haemorrhage in middle-aged men was six times greater if they

> > had low blood cholesterol levels.

> >

> > On Christmas Eve, 1997, yet one more study's results were headlined in

> > the press. The Framingham researchers said that " Serum cholesterol

> > level is not related to incidence of stroke . . . " and showed that for

> > every three percent more energy from fat eaten, strokes would be cut

> > by fifteen percent. They conclude:

> > " Intakes of fat and type of fat were not related to the incidence of

> > the combined outcome of all cardiovascular diseases or to total or

> > cardiovascular mortality. "

> >

> > So, after forty-nine years of research, they are still saying that

> > there is no relation between a fatty diet and heart disease. The

> > evidence now is clear and unequivocal: animal fats are not harmful.

> >

> > Two more studies, which considered total blood cholesterol levels and

> > mortality in the elderly, were published in the Lancet almost

> > simultaneously in 1997. In the first, scientists working at the Leiden

> > University Medical Centre found that

> > " each 1 mmol/l increase in total cholesterol corresponded to a 15%

> > decrease in mortality " .

> >

> > Similarly, doctors at Reykjavik Hospital and Heart Preventive Clinic

> > in Iceland noted that the major epidemiological studies had not

> > included the elderly. They too studied total mortality and blood

> > cholesterol in the over 80s to show that men with blood cholesterol

> > levels over 6.5 had less than half the mortality of those whose

> > cholesterol level was around the 5.2 we are told is " healthy " .

> > Low cholesterol and Alzheimer's Disease

> >

> > Approximately half of the brain is made up of fats. Dr. F. M.Corrigan

> > and colleagues, writing in 1991 about the relief of Alzheimer's

> > Disease, ask that " strategies for increasing the delivery of

> > cholesterol to the brain should be identified " . In the fight against

> > Alzheimer's disease, they recommend increasing fat intake.

> > And at the other end of life

> >

> > In 1991 the US National Cholesterol Education Programme recommended

> > that children over two years old should adopt a low-fat,

> > low-cholesterol diet to prevent CHD in later life. A table showing a

> > good correlation between fat and cholesterol intakes and blood

> > cholesterol in seven to nine-year-old boys from six countries

> > supported this advice. What it did not show, however, was the strong

> > correlation between blood cholesterol and childhood deaths in those

> > countries. These are at Table V. As is clearly demonstrated, the death

> > rate rises dramatically as blood cholesterol levels fall. So for

> > children too, low blood cholesterol is unhealthy.

>

sol

>

>

>> Val,

>> Just wondering, in case my latest cholesterol of 143 is NOT a

>>

> lab

>

>> error, would that be an indication of too much T3?

>> thanks,

>> sol

>>

Guest guest
Posted

nafoel wrote:

> Just saw this thread. Just as a comment...my cholesterol lowered

> from 200 to 140 this year....only thing I did differently was start

> HC and Cytomel in April. My diet stayed the same...with the

> exception of adding coconut oil. I always thought it was the

> coconut oil...but could it be the HC or t3???

>

> Is it too low? Seems I read somewhere that low was not so good.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/cholesterol_myth_4.html

> > Low cholesterol means more strokes

> >

> > Published at about the same time was a very large study in Japan,

> > covering two decades, which concluded that low levels of blood

> > cholesterol also increase the incidence of stroke.

> >

> > Over the past few decades, Japan has experienced a rapid change in its

> > living and eating patterns. The Japanese are eating more total fat,

> > saturated fatty acids and cholesterol, animal fats and protein, and

> > less rice and vegetables. This has provided a unique opportunity for a

> > large-scale, natural experiment into the effects of those changes.

> >

> > Investigators have shown that this change to Western and urban eating

> > patterns, departing as it does from centuries old traditions, has been

> > accompanied by a general lowering of blood pressure and a large

> > decline in the incidence of stroke deaths and cerebral haemorrhage

> > between the 1960s and the 1980s. They attribute this decline to an

> > increase in blood cholesterol levels over the period. Supporting their

> > findings were the results of a follow-up of 350,000 men screened for

> > the MRFIT in the United States that showed that the risk of death from

> > cerebral haemorrhage in middle-aged men was six times greater if they

> > had low blood cholesterol levels.

> >

> > On Christmas Eve, 1997, yet one more study's results were headlined in

> > the press. The Framingham researchers said that " Serum cholesterol

> > level is not related to incidence of stroke . . . " and showed that for

> > every three percent more energy from fat eaten, strokes would be cut

> > by fifteen percent. They conclude:

> > " Intakes of fat and type of fat were not related to the incidence of

> > the combined outcome of all cardiovascular diseases or to total or

> > cardiovascular mortality. "

> >

> > So, after forty-nine years of research, they are still saying that

> > there is no relation between a fatty diet and heart disease. The

> > evidence now is clear and unequivocal: animal fats are not harmful.

> >

> > Two more studies, which considered total blood cholesterol levels and

> > mortality in the elderly, were published in the Lancet almost

> > simultaneously in 1997. In the first, scientists working at the Leiden

> > University Medical Centre found that

> > " each 1 mmol/l increase in total cholesterol corresponded to a 15%

> > decrease in mortality " .

> >

> > Similarly, doctors at Reykjavik Hospital and Heart Preventive Clinic

> > in Iceland noted that the major epidemiological studies had not

> > included the elderly. They too studied total mortality and blood

> > cholesterol in the over 80s to show that men with blood cholesterol

> > levels over 6.5 had less than half the mortality of those whose

> > cholesterol level was around the 5.2 we are told is " healthy " .

> > Low cholesterol and Alzheimer's Disease

> >

> > Approximately half of the brain is made up of fats. Dr. F. M.Corrigan

> > and colleagues, writing in 1991 about the relief of Alzheimer's

> > Disease, ask that " strategies for increasing the delivery of

> > cholesterol to the brain should be identified " . In the fight against

> > Alzheimer's disease, they recommend increasing fat intake.

> > And at the other end of life

> >

> > In 1991 the US National Cholesterol Education Programme recommended

> > that children over two years old should adopt a low-fat,

> > low-cholesterol diet to prevent CHD in later life. A table showing a

> > good correlation between fat and cholesterol intakes and blood

> > cholesterol in seven to nine-year-old boys from six countries

> > supported this advice. What it did not show, however, was the strong

> > correlation between blood cholesterol and childhood deaths in those

> > countries. These are at Table V. As is clearly demonstrated, the death

> > rate rises dramatically as blood cholesterol levels fall. So for

> > children too, low blood cholesterol is unhealthy.

>

sol

>

>

>> Val,

>> Just wondering, in case my latest cholesterol of 143 is NOT a

>>

> lab

>

>> error, would that be an indication of too much T3?

>> thanks,

>> sol

>>

Guest guest
Posted

" nafoel " wrote:

> Is there a correlaton between too much t3 and too low cholesterol?

When I was naturally hyper, before my RAI, I believe my cholesterol was

somewhere in the 130s. When I got a little hypo, it crept up towards

200, but now is back around 180. So I think yes, there is a definite

correlation, since high cholesterol is a known marker for low thyroid.

I would think it being low was just a sign of the accelerated

metabolism. Body probably was using it up faster than the liver could

generate it! I think I was even getting full bowel movements 3x/day

(sorry if TMI)!

Barb

Guest guest
Posted

Well how the heck did I go so hyper and didn't even notice? I looked

up hyper symptoms last night and do have some. But they are symptoms

I've had off and on for decades. This could be another clue I've had

Hashi's a long time and been doing the hyper/hypo swings...............

I have cut back my T3 dosage, and truthfully feel like stopping it

altogether. Is that risky? Should I taper down?

How fast can one cut back on thyroid? And should I wean HC at the same

time?

sol

wrote:

>>> Just wondering, in case my latest cholesterol of 143 is NOT a lab

>>>

> error, would that be an indication of too much T3?<<

>

> It is possible as hyperthyroid does carry that as a symptom.

>

>

Guest guest
Posted

Yes, I am in a panic here, no kidding. This could also be due to liver

disease, or kidney disease or both, I think.

So lower T3, start weaning HC also? Can I start switching to dessicated

thyroid now? Am I right in thinking dessicated doesn't seem to cause

this drastic lowering of cholesterol?

sol

T wrote:

> I thinkpanicking and stopping thryoid is VERY bad for you. Hypo CAN KILL

> you. Look at me in Congestive Heart Failure at 40 years old. Lowering it

> is wise, but not much, say to 75mcg. Then retesting.

>

>

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