Re: Why does mercury cause illness is some and not others....

[Guest guest]

Daughters of same mom and same dad are likely to have many different

genes, many non-identical chromosomes. .

Westphal, Jill , and Deth are among the researchers showing

that weak alleles can predispose to metal toxicity and metal accumulation.

Lessons emerging from Jill ', wherein many ASD kids are tracked

clinically as well as genetically and from Deth's research:

1. Lab-data profiles in ASD kids do not necessarily correspond to

genotypes with weak alleles.

2. Gastro/nutritional pathologies (not necessarily genetic in origin)

can affect an infant's or toddler's ability to detox.

3. Some of the genetic alleles are in methionine pathways and are not

specifically " detox " genes but are crucial for development, and enzymes

produced from those genes can be inhibited by physiological levels of

thimerosal (Waly et al, using nanomolar data from Pichichero et al).

Medical literature and med histories indicate that a sick child or

recently sick child should not be vaccinated, because his or her detox

is likely to be low in detox-related nutrients, including GSH and ATP.

couvrette2002 wrote:

>This question has been gnawing at my imagination for weeks now. I have

>two little girls...one is healthy, the other not. Both had the same

>mother and the same shots.

>How is it that one is healthy but perhaps more specifically if we

>believe that detoxification systems are at fault, how can the one

>who is challenged have only mildly low Glucorodination and slightly

>elevated Phase One on the Smokies test.

>If anything, I expected to see a failing liver as the cause but IHMO

>I don`t think that is borne out if one is to take these tests as

>valid.

>So, what is it then that causes one child to deal with the inherited

>or medically induced toxins while the other falters.

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Daughters of same mom and same dad are likely to have many different

genes, many non-identical chromosomes. .

Westphal, Jill , and Deth are among the researchers showing

that weak alleles can predispose to metal toxicity and metal accumulation.

Lessons emerging from Jill ', wherein many ASD kids are tracked

clinically as well as genetically and from Deth's research:

1. Lab-data profiles in ASD kids do not necessarily correspond to

genotypes with weak alleles.

2. Gastro/nutritional pathologies (not necessarily genetic in origin)

can affect an infant's or toddler's ability to detox.

3. Some of the genetic alleles are in methionine pathways and are not

specifically " detox " genes but are crucial for development, and enzymes

produced from those genes can be inhibited by physiological levels of

thimerosal (Waly et al, using nanomolar data from Pichichero et al).

Medical literature and med histories indicate that a sick child or

recently sick child should not be vaccinated, because his or her detox

is likely to be low in detox-related nutrients, including GSH and ATP.

couvrette2002 wrote:

>This question has been gnawing at my imagination for weeks now. I have

>two little girls...one is healthy, the other not. Both had the same

>mother and the same shots.

>How is it that one is healthy but perhaps more specifically if we

>believe that detoxification systems are at fault, how can the one

>who is challenged have only mildly low Glucorodination and slightly

>elevated Phase One on the Smokies test.

>If anything, I expected to see a failing liver as the cause but IHMO

>I don`t think that is borne out if one is to take these tests as

>valid.

>So, what is it then that causes one child to deal with the inherited

>or medically induced toxins while the other falters.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Two of my three children have the MTHFR mutation, and they are the two

who are not NT. My husband and I both have the mutation, but we were

not exposed to a lot of mercury, and we're essentially NT. Have you

done any genetic testing?

Jane

On Nov 12, 2004, at 2:59 PM, couvrette2002 wrote:

>

> This question has been gnawing at my imagination for weeks now. I have

> two little girls...one is healthy, the other not. Both had the same

> mother and the same shots.

> How is it that one is healthy but perhaps more specifically if we

> believe that detoxification systems are at fault, how can the one

> who is challenged have only mildly low Glucorodination and slightly

> elevated Phase One on the Smokies test.

> If anything, I expected to see a failing liver as the cause but IHMO

> I don`t think that is borne out if one is to take these tests as

> valid.

> So, what is it then that causes one child to deal with the inherited

> or medically induced toxins while the other falters.

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Fascinating.

Thank you for taking the time to post that. It looks like its time

for me to do a lot more research into alleles. I am curious as to what

testing might show these weak alleles.

Re the detox pathways it is interesting that both my wife and I

have an intolerance to sulfa meds...mine being life threatening.

We recently avoided these same meds for my daughter for fear that

they would produce some serious consequences.

When you say Gasto/nutritional pathologies...can you provide an

example of what type of thing you mean by this...

>

> Westphal, Jill , and Deth are among the researchers

showing

> that weak alleles can predispose to metal toxicity and metal

accumulation.

>

> Lessons emerging from Jill ', wherein many ASD kids are tracked

> clinically as well as genetically and from Deth's research:

> 1. Lab-data profiles in ASD kids do not necessarily correspond to

> genotypes with weak alleles.

> 2. Gastro/nutritional pathologies (not necessarily genetic in

origin)

> can affect an infant's or toddler's ability to detox.

> 3. Some of the genetic alleles are in methionine pathways and are

not

> specifically " detox " genes but are crucial for development, and

enzymes

> produced from those genes can be inhibited by physiological levels

of

> thimerosal (Waly et al, using nanomolar data from Pichichero et al).

>

> Medical literature and med histories indicate that a sick child or

> recently sick child should not be vaccinated, because his or her

detox

> is likely to be low in detox-related nutrients, including GSH and

ATP.

>

>

>

>

> couvrette2002 wrote:

>

> >This question has been gnawing at my imagination for weeks now. I

have

> >two little girls...one is healthy, the other not. Both had the same

> >mother and the same shots.

> >How is it that one is healthy but perhaps more specifically if we

> >believe that detoxification systems are at fault, how can the one

> >who is challenged have only mildly low Glucorodination and slightly

> >elevated Phase One on the Smokies test.

> >If anything, I expected to see a failing liver as the cause but

IHMO

> >I don`t think that is borne out if one is to take these tests as

> >valid.

> >So, what is it then that causes one child to deal with the

inherited

> >or medically induced toxins while the other falters.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase--it affects DNA methylation. If

you google 'DNA methylation' you'll be able to find an explanation.

This is all tied in to the work of Deth and .

On Nov 12, 2004, at 4:36 PM, Cochran wrote:

> What is MTHFR?

> Re: [ ] Why does mercury cause illness is some

> and not

> others....

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> Two of my three children have the MTHFR mutation, and they are the two

> who are not NT.  My husband and I both have the mutation, but we were

> not exposed to a lot of mercury, and we're essentially NT.  Have you

> done any genetic testing?

> Jane

> On Nov 12, 2004, at 2:59 PM, couvrette2002 wrote:

>

> >

> >  This question has been gnawing at my imagination for weeks now. I

> have

> >  two little girls...one is healthy, the other not. Both had the same

> >  mother and the same shots.

> >  How is it that one is healthy but perhaps more specifically if we

> >  believe that detoxification systems are at fault, how can the one

> >  who is challenged have only mildly low Glucorodination and slightly

> >  elevated Phase One on the Smokies test.

> >  If anything, I expected to see a failing liver as the cause but

> IHMO

> >  I don`t think that is borne out if one is to take these tests as

> >  valid.

> >  So, what is it then that causes one child to deal with the

> inherited

> >  or medically induced toxins while the other falters.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

> This question has been gnawing at my imagination for weeks now. I have

> two little girls...one is healthy, the other not. Both had the same

> mother and the same shots.

> How is it that one is healthy but perhaps more specifically if we

> believe that detoxification systems are at fault, how can the one

> who is challenged have only mildly low Glucorodination and slightly

> elevated Phase One on the Smokies test.

This test is irrelevant to mercury clearance, and also to sensitivity

to its toxic effects.

> If anything, I expected to see a failing liver as the cause but IHMO

> I don`t think that is borne out if one is to take these tests as

> valid.

> So, what is it then that causes one child to deal with the inherited

> or medically induced toxins while the other falters.

1. Interindividual variation in cleraance rate,

2. interindividual variation in susceptibility to mineral transport

derangement (which is once you get over a certain amount clearance goes

down).

3. Interindividual variation in sensitivity.

4. Interindividual variations in exposure to other sources of mercury

or other toxins.

5. other random factors such as whether one is coming down with a virus

the other hasn't caught yet when they got vaccinated.

It sounds like they have the same mother but different fathers, in

which case they only have 25% genetic commonality. Lots of room for

differences in genetic factors between them, and the environmental

variations don't depend on genes.

Andy . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

> This question has been gnawing at my imagination for weeks now. I have

> two little girls...one is healthy, the other not. Both had the same

> mother and the same shots.

I have four kids and all were vax injured. The one who was most

severely affected is the one who had HepB at birth. The one who was

least affected had all vax late. So for my kids, severity of injury

is directly correlated with the timing of the vax [age when vaxed].

Maybe one of your kids was sick when she had her shots. Or maybe one

had shots with thimerosal and one without. Or maybe the timing, like

my kids. There are quite a few variables.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Or maybe SHE got the bottom of the vial and her twin didn't. Or maybe one

was on antibiotics and the other wasn't (this affects the clearing of the

mercury).

Barb

[ ] Re: Why does mercury cause illness is some and not

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>> This question has been gnawing at my imagination for weeks now. I have

>> two little girls...one is healthy, the other not. Both had the same

>> mother and the same shots.

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> I have four kids and all were vax injured. The one who was most

> severely affected is the one who had HepB at birth. The one who was

> least affected had all vax late. So for my kids, severity of injury

> is directly correlated with the timing of the vax [age when vaxed].

>

> Maybe one of your kids was sick when she had her shots. Or maybe one

> had shots with thimerosal and one without. Or maybe the timing, like

> my kids. There are quite a few variables.

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> Dana

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