Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 >>do you think it wont mess me up to switch back to Armour after i toolk synthroid today?<< you will be fine they are both thyroid hormones just one's a bicycle and one's an airplane! LOL Artistic Grooming-Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 You say right after you take it, how soon? The T3 in Armour you can;t possibly feel for at least an hour or more and the T4 much longer, like days to weeks. It might help for you to split you doses up into several times a day so you are taking less at one time. I have to split mine into four times a day. But you should do at least twice a day if you can taking the larger portion in the morning. As you are working with 2 grain tablets, try taking 1 and a quarter tabs in the AM then take the second tab in the early afternoon. I imagine your heart is weak from running too slow for too long and you will need to increase your meds very slowly so it can have time to adjust to the stimulation of the T3. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Yes my neck is fine now and I am feeling GREAT again! I actually got some work at HOME done this week! Thanks for asking! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 OOOH< men have a terrible time accepting that low sex drive is physical and not that you don;t love them anymore.. Hurts the old EGO. At your age, I would think Armour would bring that right back where it should be pretty quickly ONCE you are on an optimal dosage. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Yes with Armour you can still fly instead of peddling your butt around the block praying for a ride! *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 That sounds like indigestion more than heart pain. It is too soon after taking them for that. Maybe you could try eating a slice of toast with them. I know everyone says take them an hour before eating, but if it bothers your stomach, you need to eat something bland wit it. Just avoid anything with calcium or iron with them. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Well I have wished this disease on several X-boyfriends, but then not really. Men are such babies when they are sick I doubt I could stand to be around a hypo man! LOL NO ONE that has not had this disease can understand how it feels. I can remember my last X pinching my swollen legs to be cute, when it hurt so bad it brought tears to my eyes and he would laugh.. see why he's an X??? *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 , My first thought is that they should test your adrenals! Low blood pressure is often a sign of low adrenals. Did they check your blood pressure? in Va. hey guys I had to go to the emergency room today because my husband couldnt feel much of a pulse on me and my blood pressure was low I was veryyy dizzy almost feeling like I woudl pass out, anyway they ran blood tests on me and here are the results TSH= 47.10 T3= 1.57 T4= 6.3 IT SAYS CMP/BMP/ LYTES(I AM ONLY POSTING THE ABNORAL ONES) GLOBULIN= 3.6 IT SAYS HIGH K= 3.4 IT SAYS LOW CBC TEST RBC =5.11 SAYS HIGH MCV =79 SAYS LOW THE DOCTOR TOOK ME OFF ARMOUR AND PUT ME ON 0.15 MG OF SYNTHROID, HE SAYS ARMOUR WILL NOT HELP ME, I AM NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WHETHER TO GO TO A HOLISTIC DOCTOR OR TAKE THIS SYNTHROID BUT I AM FEELING HORRIBLE, BECAUSE I AM NOT SURE IF I SHOULD CONTINUE ARMOUR OR START ON SYNTHROID, ANY ADVICE LET ME KNOW SINCE I CANT EVEN THINK STRAIGHT .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Never mind what I said about the adrenals then, unless you start having hyper symptoms on Armour. It sounds like the Toprol could be lowering your blood pressure too much. What was your blood pressure To start with? in Va. have you guys had chest pain, because right after I take my meds I get chest pains, and the doctor had given me topro;l but I wasnt sure whether to take it while I had low blood pressure, not sure if the toprol can stop my heart, so I havent been taking it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 how much armour were you on, and for how long? SandyE~Houston UPDATE ON CONDITION AFTER ER VISIT *TEST RESULTS hey guys I had to go to the emergency room today because my husband couldnt feel much of a pulse on me and my blood pressure was low I was veryyy dizzy almost feeling like I woudl pass out, anyway they ran blood tests on me and here are the results TSH= 47.10 T3= 1.57 T4= 6.3 IT SAYS CMP/BMP/ LYTES(I AM ONLY POSTING THE ABNORAL ONES) GLOBULIN= 3.6 IT SAYS HIGH K= 3.4 IT SAYS LOW CBC TEST RBC =5.11 SAYS HIGH MCV =79 SAYS LOW THE DOCTOR TOOK ME OFF ARMOUR AND PUT ME ON 0.15 MG OF SYNTHROID, HE SAYS ARMOUR WILL NOT HELP ME, I AM NOT SURE WHAT TO DO WHETHER TO GO TO A HOLISTIC DOCTOR OR TAKE THIS SYNTHROID BUT I AM FEELING HORRIBLE, BECAUSE I AM NOT SURE IF I SHOULD CONTINUE ARMOUR OR START ON SYNTHROID, ANY ADVICE LET ME KNOW SINCE I CANT EVEN THINK STRAIGHT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I buy it at the grocery store. 2 - 3 a day wouldn't hurt you but you need to find out if/why you are low potassium. It could have been just a fleeting condition from your low thyroid state. Val From: melly@... hey I was looking in to buying that Emergen C that is an enrgy drink too plus has ton sof calcium and potassium, I wonder if i can take 3 or 4 a day, woudl too mcuh potassium at one time mess me up? I just ate my 2 bananas now my stomach hurts aghh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 " T " artisticgroom@... wrote: Men are such babies when they are sick I doubt I could stand to be around a hypo man! aaaaHEM! I would really take offense to this if it weren't pretty much true. :-) I can remember my last X pinching my swollen legs to be cute, when it hurt so bad it brought tears to my eyes and he would laugh.. see why he's an X??? Wow! If I tried that with my wife, she'd turn me into an XX. :-) -- prr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 In a message dated 1/14/2005 12:41:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, melly@... writes: > I can ask my doc to test me for it > what is hashimotos? I have heard about it but have no idea what it is > Hashimoto's is the most common reason for underactive thyroid. it is an autoimmune thyroid disease. cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 >>aaaaHEM! I would really take offense to this if it weren't pretty much true. :-)<< Sorry, I should have said present company excluded, cause when you have the presence to look for answers on the web you can't be laying in bed moaning! LOL *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 My husband buys and restores old muscle cars like 1967 Camaro's, 1955 Chevy's, etc. The value of these cars are more then some of the brand new cars on the market today! Tell that stupid Dr., Armour has a value like the older muscle cars! LOL Synthroid did nothing but make me sick and gave me acid reflux. I have not seen any lawyers advertising on TV to come to them if we have had a problem with Armour! LOL Kathy Re: UPDATE ON CONDITION AFTER ER VISIT *TEST RESULTS my endo told me this when I asked to be put on armour he said when you compare armour and synthroid its like comparing an old beat up carto a mercedes!! anyway after literally begging for it he gave in and me on armour but of course a low dose to prove his point that its no good! but ever since I am taking armour I have felt more energy even when my tsh is that high, I mean of course i dont feel normal, but with synthroid i have always felt out of energy even when my tsh was low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 I think your problem is that your Armour dose was too low and this is giving problems with heart function. Thyroid hormone plays an important role in how the heart works and in how the adrenals work. If thyroid is too low, then the adrenals don't make enough hormones and this affects how the tiny vessels in the extremities work. Cortisol controls constriction of tiny vessels and in this way controls blood pressure. So, when cortisol is low, blood pressure can be low. Also, if thyroid levels are not sufficient, the heart cannot constrict properly and thus keep blood pressure up. There is rare mention in old papers of people becomming resistant to Armour. But, there is no research to back this up. It is more old thinking. But, if there is a possibility this is true, then a combination of T3 and T4 with similar proportions to Armour would probably work well. But, I really think this is unlikely as there is no support in the research for this and it is hard to think that a person can become resistant to hormones that are exactly the same as human. I'm wondering if you had a stress of some kind before this low blood pressure attack. Did you get sick or have to do a lot of activity? If so, then I would suspect it is a low adrenal and/or low thyroid issue. Extra stress and activity can cause cortisol to go low and deplete thyroid hormone. If you felt better on the Armour, I would stay on it. This implies you are not resistant and that your dose is just too low for you. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 HI, Tish and everyone, I'm a bit confused. If Toprol (not sure if I spelled that correctly) is for high blood pressure, did She start with high blood pressure? Could the medication have caused the low blood pressure? Or at least been a part of it? I do believe everything you've said (below). It really makes sense. And I've heard that an electrolyte imbalance can cause heart problems including heart attacks. Isn't potassium considered an electrolyte? Could this be contributing to the chest pains? Do you Think the doctors (ER) may have switched to Synthroid due to the T3 in Armour and the chest pains? But, as usual, the idiots don't bother to explain anything to the patient. That always irks me. However, it's more than likely the usual Synthroid pushing. I'm just thinking out loud. I do believe that her dosage was way too low for way too long. , I do hope you find a good doctor to help you! in Va. I think your problem is that your Armour dose was too low and this is giving problems with heart function. Thyroid hormone plays an important role in how the heart works and in how the adrenals work. If thyroid is too low, then the adrenals don't make enough hormones and this affects how the tiny vessels in the extremities work. Cortisol controls constriction of tiny vessels and in this way controls blood pressure. So, when cortisol is low, blood pressure can be low. Also, if thyroid levels are not sufficient, the heart cannot constrict properly and thus keep blood pressure up. There is rare mention in old papers of people becomming resistant to Armour. But, there is no research to back this up. It is more old thinking. But, if there is a possibility this is true, then a combination of T3 and T4 with similar proportions to Armour would probably work well. But, I really think this is unlikely as there is no support in the research for this and it is hard to think that a person can become resistant to hormones that are exactly the same as human. I'm wondering if you had a stress of some kind before this low blood pressure attack. Did you get sick or have to do a lot of activity? If so, then I would suspect it is a low adrenal and/or low thyroid issue. Extra stress and activity can cause cortisol to go low and deplete thyroid hormone. If you felt better on the Armour, I would stay on it. This implies you are not resistant and that your dose is just too low for you. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 yes cris that is true, you have to make sure the doc will prescrbe the meds before paying a hefty $270, I am sure my medical doc would prescribe it because he doesnt know much about thyrodi disease.but of course my endo wont but I dont see him anymore, in any case if we could find a godo doc close by that we can see in person it woudl be best, the one I will see charges less than $150 so thats not bad at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 call your local pharmacy and ask them what doctors prescribe Armour. That is how I found my doctor. Cris Re: UPDATE ON CONDITION AFTER ER VISIT *TEST RESULTS I would be VERY leery of a doctor that prescribes without even seeing you. But in a pinch, it is certainly better than staying on Synthroid. You haven;t hurt your self by taking the Synthroid again. It IS better than nothing at all when you have as low a thyroid as your is. I would take the Synthroid for now, and hunt a local doctor that is willing to give you Armour. ASK them when you call their office before making the appointment. *Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV Fat cat? Diabetes? Listowner for overweight or hypothyroid cats http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hypokitties/ ---------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 and then you are still in the same boat - your dr. still won't prescribe - and you're out the $270.00. Cris Re: UPDATE ON CONDITION AFTER ER VISIT *TEST RESULTS here is thatw ebsite for that doctor, he does seem a bit greedy I mean $270 for a phone consult is alot, he actually doesnt prescribe anything he lets you knwo what you need to take and then you inform your doc here is his website, he is making easy money doing this since he doesnt even have to see the patient or examine them. _THYROID POWER-Thyroid and Health Coaching Sessions_ (http://www.thyroidpower.com/consults.html) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 this is all to familiar to me also. I have zero sex drive. My hubby is finally getting used to it. I feel bad for him. Cris Re: UPDATE ON CONDITION AFTER ER VISIT *TEST RESULTS Ok girls aside form all my symptoms which are so many, one that is very obvious to my husband is that I have no desire for SEX!!! none at all, he actually asks me if I still love him LOL, and I do its just that I dont feel like having sex anymore at all!!! I even let him read the thyroid book where it said that a low sex drive is common, bit of course he thinks that is all BS LOl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 What is a liver cleanse? Cris Re: UPDATE ON CONDITION AFTER ER VISIT *TEST RESULTS wow you know what after the hypo I developed reactive airway disease, which is simialr to astha i use an inhaler and take singulair daily you knwo what I also developed a fibroid, I am wondering if the thyroid caused all these problems, i have read thatwhen you have a weak liver you get these problems, I was thinking of doing a liver cleanse anyone tried it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 no, that $150.00 and the$180 that the one around here charges are starting to sound like bargains! if they treat properly!! Cris Re: UPDATE ON CONDITION AFTER ER VISIT *TEST RESULTS yes cris that is true, you have to make sure the doc will prescrbe the meds before paying a hefty $270, I am sure my medical doc would prescribe it because he doesnt know much about thyrodi disease.but of course my endo wont but I dont see him anymore, in any case if we could find a godo doc close by that we can see in person it woudl be best, the one I will see charges less than $150 so thats not bad at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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