Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

[Guest guest]

That is so sad. Has she had any hormones tested? You can order your own

saliva test from www.healthcheck.com for a starting point. She also should

have her thyroid levels tested in a thorough manner with Free T3 and Free T4

as well as thyroid antibodies, I believe that is healthcheck as well.

Artistic Grooming

Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

Whoops I sent this to wrong list! I was trying for the Natural Alternatives to

HRT list. However, if anyone as any advice, please share. I suspect some of my

daughters problems could be thyroid related.Thanks, Donna

[Guest guest]

Donna, go here: http://www.earlymenopause.com

Or specifically, go here: http://www.earlymenopause.com/causes.htm

This page shows all the possible reasons why your daughter may be

going through this.

Janie

[Guest guest]

She sounds similar to me when I was her age. And now I worry about my daughter.

I was put on BC pills at 17 for the same reason. But they never stopped my

periods like they did in your daughter. They were a blessing to me. It was the

first time that I functioned near my period.

I would definitely ask someone - even they gyny, to run those thyroid tests

mentioned. I had endometriosis, and a lot of other problems, that now, I read,

could have been thyroid related - plus estrogen dominance related. If her gyny

won't run them, try those places suggested to have them done yourself.

Good luck!! and let us know how things go.

Cris

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

Whoops I sent this to wrong list! I was trying for the Natural Alternatives to

HRT list. However, if anyone as any advice, please share. I suspect some of my

daughters problems could be thyroid related.Thanks, Donna

[Guest guest]

I went on the pill around the same age. I was having a very hard time

functioning, very heavy bleeding and cramping. My periods never stopped,

they were just better. It took me about a year to become pregnant. I am

back on the pill but a lower dose. I think she need to have her thyroid

tested. I don't think the bc pills were the problem, they were " hiding "

another problem.

Kate G

At 02:39 PM 1/9/2005, you wrote:

>She sounds similar to me when I was her age. And now I worry about my

>daughter. I was put on BC pills at 17 for the same reason. But they never

>stopped my periods like they did in your daughter. They were a blessing to

>me. It was the first time that I functioned near my period.

>

>I would definitely ask someone - even they gyny, to run those thyroid

>tests mentioned. I had endometriosis, and a lot of other problems, that

>now, I read, could have been thyroid related - plus estrogen dominance

>related. If her gyny won't run them, try those places suggested to have

>them done yourself.

>

>Good luck!! and let us know how things go.

>Cris

> Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

>

>

>Whoops I sent this to wrong list! I was trying for the Natural

>Alternatives to HRT list. However, if anyone as any advice, please share.

>I suspect some of my daughters problems could be thyroid related.Thanks, Donna

[Guest guest]

, I don't think that HealthCheck does the saliva testing, but does do

blood testing for the female hormones (and male ones). They do the testing

for the Free T3, Free T4, and the TSH together in one package deal, though.

ZRT Labs does do the saliva testing.

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

>

> That is so sad. Has she had any hormones tested? You can order your own

> saliva test from www.healthcheck.com for a starting point. She also should

> have her thyroid levels tested in a thorough manner with Free T3 and Free

T4

> as well as thyroid antibodies, I believe that is healthcheck as well.

>

> Artistic Grooming

> Hurricane, West Virginia

[Guest guest]

> She sounds similar to me when I was her age. And now I worry about my

daughter. I was put on BC pills at 17 for the same reason. But they never

stopped my periods like they did in your daughter. They were a blessing to

me. It was the first time that I functioned near my period.

>

> I would definitely ask someone - even they gyny, to run those thyroid

tests mentioned. I had endometriosis, and a lot of other problems, that now,

I read, could have been thyroid related - plus estrogen dominance related.

If her gyny won't run them, try those places suggested to have them done

yourself.

>

> Good luck!! and let us know how things go.

> Cris

Here are some quite interesting links concerning a connection between

autoimmune diseases to endometriosis, including autoimmune thyroid disease.

I think that it's thyroid, IMO. I had (have?) endometriosis. So does my

sister. Both of us have had hysterectomies. She had one child, and I gave

birth to 4 children. Mine didn't advance as far as hers did, but I had all

my children between the age of 18 to 27. She postponed children and had one

child in her mid thirties, so, according to the research on this sbjct, that

may be why my case didn't advance as far or wasn't as painful as hers was.

She still has material around her intestines in one place that the doctor

couldn't get to. I strongly suspect I may have some around the bladder and

intestines that was never explored. I'm making these comparisons because I

strongly suspect that my sister has Hashimoto's Disease.

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/endometriosis.htm

http://www.infertilityphysician.com/endometriosis/heredity.html

[Guest guest]

Estrogen Dominance is always going to be a problem for the thyroid. I was

on BC pills for almost 10 yrs before a tubil, then those nonstop periods

were next, then a hyst. It took me 6 more yrs to find out that it was all

thyroid disease and that I had also been in estrogen dominance, making no

progesterone, and had added to the estrogen I was already making out the

kazoo, by taking the pill, plus later on HRT with estrogen-only. I think

that it all has to do with thyroid disease, or in making the history of it.

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

>

> I went on the pill around the same age. I was having a very hard time

> functioning, very heavy bleeding and cramping. My periods never stopped,

> they were just better. It took me about a year to become pregnant. I am

> back on the pill but a lower dose. I think she need to have her thyroid

> tested. I don't think the bc pills were the problem, they were " hiding "

> another problem.

>

> Kate G

[Guest guest]

Estrogen Dominance is always going to be a problem for the thyroid. I was

on BC pills for almost 10 yrs before a tubil, then those nonstop periods

were next, then a hyst. It took me 6 more yrs to find out that it was all

thyroid disease and that I had also been in estrogen dominance, making no

progesterone, and had added to the estrogen I was already making out the

kazoo, by taking the pill, plus later on HRT with estrogen-only. I think

that it all has to do with thyroid disease, or in making the history of it.

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

>

> I went on the pill around the same age. I was having a very hard time

> functioning, very heavy bleeding and cramping. My periods never stopped,

> they were just better. It took me about a year to become pregnant. I am

> back on the pill but a lower dose. I think she need to have her thyroid

> tested. I don't think the bc pills were the problem, they were " hiding "

> another problem.

>

> Kate G

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/14/2005 3:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

tigger57ri@... writes:

> Even she mentioned thyroid, but my numbers always came back o.k. My Mom

> had thyroid problems, weight problems and period problems, so she understood

> what I was going through

i have a feeling that your thyroid numbers were NOT okay....because all of us

have been through that " your labs are NORMAL " crap.

I'm sorry you're having such a bad day. it's understandable given the

discomfort and pain you're in. I wish there was something I could do to help

you

feel better, Tigger.

cindi

[Guest guest]

this all sounds too familiar to me -

Cris

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

>

> I went on the pill around the same age. I was having a very hard time

> functioning, very heavy bleeding and cramping. My periods never stopped,

> they were just better. It took me about a year to become pregnant. I am

> back on the pill but a lower dose. I think she need to have her thyroid

> tested. I don't think the bc pills were the problem, they were " hiding "

> another problem.

>

> Kate G

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[Guest guest]

I have had very difficult periods all my life. When I was younger the minute I

would start my period (even if in the middle of the night) I would start

vomiting. Then I would get so cold that I would turn on the oven and sit in

front of it with my feet in it. My poor Dad would get up and his eyes would

well up wih tears... he felt so bad because there was nothing he could do.

When I was about 30 I started birth control pills. It helped with the periods.

Then I developed cysts.. on my ovaries, my tubes and just about everyplace

inbetween (I had a laparscope done and that's what told them) doc switched B/C

pill and I was o.k. for awhile. Keep in mind that all this time I was well over

200 pounds.

As I get older things sure don't seem to get better. I truly believe that I've

been hype since I was a teenager... probably since puberty.... oh, and at age 14

I had a period that went on for 3 months non stop. Mom took me to an

endocrinologist who wanted to put me on birth control pills.... mom said NO.

Back then they were very high dosage. Even she mentioned thyroid, but my

numbers always came back o.k. My Mom had thyroid problems, weight problems and

period problems, so she understood what I was going through. The docs didn't

listen to her either... you see... when you're that overweight they blame

everything on your weight. Heck, they're even blaming my fibromyalgia on my

weight to a degree.

Today is a bad day. I'm seriously depressed (haven''t seen the sun in over a

week, even though I've been tanning). I'm also in a fibro flare... my exhaustion

level is unbelievable. I'm fighting just to stay awake. I'm in pain, and it's

real.

I don't even know what prompted this, perhaps a pity party I'm having for

myself.... I just can't imagine your daughter giong through all she is at age

24. Do what ever possible to get her the BEST help... if not, it will only get

worse.

I live in Rhode Island and I'm seriously thinking about trying to get into the

Lahey Clinic in Massachusetts to see if they can find out what is wrong. If not

you might as well start sending flowers because I don't know how long I can go

on like this. By that I mean... not having definite answers to questions.

Sorry for my diatribe, I'm just feeling really bad.

Tigger

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

>

> I went on the pill around the same age. I was having a very hard time

> functioning, very heavy bleeding and cramping. My periods never stopped,

> they were just better. It took me about a year to become pregnant. I am

> back on the pill but a lower dose. I think she need to have her thyroid

> tested. I don't think the bc pills were the problem, they were " hiding "

> another problem.

>

> Kate G

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[Guest guest]

Tigger,

you are the only other person I have ever heard of who used to vomit at the

start of a period. I did too, I always used to start in the middle of the

night and would vomit for 24 hours, dry heaving when I had nothing else to bring

up. Stupid, stupid doc told my mother that it was a psychological reflex

action. How on earth could it be when I was so irregular that I didn't know it

was going to start and I would start vomiting BEFORE I knew that it had come.

Looking back now, I am sure that I had a huge dump of hormones and that is what

caused it. It started when I was 13 and mysteriously stopped when I was 18

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

I have had very difficult periods all my life. When I was younger the minute I

would start my period (even if in the middle of the night) I would start

vomiting. Then I would get so cold that I would turn on the oven and sit in

front of it with my feet in it. My poor Dad would get up and his eyes would

well up wih tears... he felt so bad because there was nothing he could do.

[Guest guest]

You are the only other person that I heard of that had it too. Even if I

started in the middle of the night... there were many times that I would not

even make it to the bathroom because I got so sick, so suddenly. Then I would

get so cold NOTHING would warm me up. I'm sure my hormones have been screwed up

at least since puberty if not before that.

Mine only stopped when I went on birth control pills... for awhile. Actually,

I'm now back to getting very sick again... except now I get pain, brain fog and

vomiting and/or diarrhea. Fun huh? And my mother used to wonder why I wish I

had been born a boy. LOL

Hugs,

Tigger

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

I have had very difficult periods all my life. When I was younger the minute

I would start my period (even if in the middle of the night) I would start

vomiting. Then I would get so cold that I would turn on the oven and sit in

front of it with my feet in it. My poor Dad would get up and his eyes would

well up wih tears... he felt so bad because there was nothing he could do.

[Guest guest]

I got sick with my very first period - and the only time i WASN'T was when I

was on BC pills - and yes, they were back in early 1970's and strong. My dr.

when I was a teenager just blew it off - acted like I was making it up or

something. I would go to the nurse in school, and she'd take my temp and say it

was normal, I couldn't be sick. what a piece of work!

now, my daughter is getting worse and worse each time. She started off with very

little pain. We came home 2 years ago from my sisters and we were at my mom's -

she just cried and wanted to drive the 2 hours further to get home - it was late

I just drove 12 hours - she sat in the bathroom puking. I suppose I should take

her to a gyny at this point. but I've asked , and they claim there isn't any

more they can do for girls now than when i was a girl! isn't that discusting?

They say it's the pain level that causes the nausea.... well, whatever it is, we

shouldn't have to go through it once/month!!

Cris

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

Tigger,

you are the only other person I have ever heard of who used to vomit at the

start of a period. I did too, I always used to start in the middle of the

night and would vomit for 24 hours, dry heaving when I had nothing else to bring

up. Stupid, stupid doc told my mother that it was a psychological reflex

action. How on earth could it be when I was so irregular that I didn't know it

was going to start and I would start vomiting BEFORE I knew that it had come.

Looking back now, I am sure that I had a huge dump of hormones and that is what

caused it. It started when I was 13 and mysteriously stopped when I was 18

Lynda (in the UK)

----- Original Message -----

From: Tigger

[Guest guest]

That's insane! Of course there are things they can do if they try. First how

about something to stop the cysts... some sort of hormones... and nothing for

the pain? C'mon.

Tigger

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

Tigger,

you are the only other person I have ever heard of who used to vomit at the

start of a period. I did too, I always used to start in the middle of the

night and would vomit for 24 hours, dry heaving when I had nothing else to bring

up. Stupid, stupid doc told my mother that it was a psychological reflex

action. How on earth could it be when I was so irregular that I didn't know it

was going to start and I would start vomiting BEFORE I knew that it had come.

Looking back now, I am sure that I had a huge dump of hormones and that is

what caused it. It started when I was 13 and mysteriously stopped when I was

18

Lynda (in the UK)

----- Original Message -----

From: Tigger

[Guest guest]

Cris, has your daughter had any kind of a work up for

endometriosis? Pain like this just isn't normal. Take her to

someone who thinks there is something you can do. Most doctors

dismiss hypo also, that doesn't mean there isn't anything that can

be done, it just means the doctor is ignorant and/or doesn't care.

R.

> I got sick with my very first period - and the only time i WASN'T

was when I was on BC pills - and yes, they were back in early 1970's

and strong. My dr. when I was a teenager just blew it off - acted

like I was making it up or something. I would go to the nurse in

school, and she'd take my temp and say it was normal, I couldn't be

sick. what a piece of work!

> now, my daughter is getting worse and worse each time. She started

off with very little pain. We came home 2 years ago from my sisters

and we were at my mom's - she just cried and wanted to drive the 2

hours further to get home - it was late I just drove 12 hours - she

sat in the bathroom puking. I suppose I should take her to a gyny at

this point. but I've asked , and they claim there isn't any more

they can do for girls now than when i was a girl! isn't that

discusting?

>

> They say it's the pain level that causes the nausea.... well,

whatever it is, we shouldn't have to go through it once/month!!

> Cris

> Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

>

>

> Tigger,

> you are the only other person I have ever heard of who used to

vomit at the start of a period. I did too, I always used to start

in the middle of the night and would vomit for 24 hours, dry heaving

when I had nothing else to bring up. Stupid, stupid doc told my

mother that it was a psychological reflex action. How on earth

could it be when I was so irregular that I didn't know it was going

to start and I would start vomiting BEFORE I knew that it had come.

> Looking back now, I am sure that I had a huge dump of hormones and

that is what caused it. It started when I was 13 and mysteriously

stopped when I was 18

> Lynda (in the UK)

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Tigger

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Cris,

With me, I don't think it was the pain that caused it. I had pain but it

wasn't unbearable. The point is that I would start vomiting before the flow

started so it must have been something hormonal.

I remember once when we were on a family holiday, I was 14 and was sitting in a

restaurant with my parents. My period had started and I had already been

vomiting before we left the place where we were staying. Anyway, I said I had

to go outside as I felt so uncomfortable. I sat on a wall for awhile and then

my mother came out to see if I was ok. She told me that my Dad was getting

annoyed with the way I was acting and it was something that was going to happen

to me for the next 40 years so I should just " get used to it " I've never

forgotton that because it just seemed so unfair, I think even they thought I was

putting it on.

Lynda (in the UK)

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

They say it's the pain level that causes the nausea.... well, whatever it is,

we shouldn't have to go through it once/month!!

Cris

[Guest guest]

I'm like you Lynda. Except I could actually feel mine starting because of the

very low cramps and then I would star vomiting. I was lucky... my Dad alway

felt bad and hated seeing me like that. But he also knew what a hard time my

Mother had. There were times I remember when she was in bed and I could hear

her say to my Dad... " Get some towels, now! " That meant she went through

everything. Too bad we always inherit the bad stuff and not the good stuff. lol

Tigger

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

They say it's the pain level that causes the nausea.... well, whatever it

is, we shouldn't have to go through it once/month!!

Cris

[Guest guest]

no, she has not had any sort of workup. She still goes to the pediatrician - I

am thinking I should make her an apt. with my gyny. My gyny is pretty new to me

so I don't know where she stands with all of this. I was so sad when she started

to get such horific cramps. I am due for my apt - past due, actually, so I think

I'll make my apt. and discuss my daughter with her to see what she thinks. If

she thinks she can help her, I'll make her an apt.

thanks for the encouragement!

Cris

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

>

>

> Tigger,

> you are the only other person I have ever heard of who used to

vomit at the start of a period. I did too, I always used to start

in the middle of the night and would vomit for 24 hours, dry heaving

when I had nothing else to bring up. Stupid, stupid doc told my

mother that it was a psychological reflex action. How on earth

could it be when I was so irregular that I didn't know it was going

to start and I would start vomiting BEFORE I knew that it had come.

> Looking back now, I am sure that I had a huge dump of hormones and

that is what caused it. It started when I was 13 and mysteriously

stopped when I was 18

> Lynda (in the UK)

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Tigger

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The woman pediatrician said she can take over the counter alieve. I called once

for the note for her to take them at school, and the man pediatrician was

refusing to give me the paper! He said, that is only for severe pain, I can't

imagine she has pain that bad. I would have slapped him if I was with him. He is

an arogant sob - and I know that from past history. I said, yes, she is in that

bad of pain, and the other dr. wrote the paper for her last year, and I would be

there to pick it up.

grrrrr !!! but my daughter also won't make a big deal out of it. She's like me

at that age - figures it's a cross to bear, I guess. But - by the time I was her

age, or close to it, my mom had taken me to the gyny - that's when I got the bc

pills - my mom had a big hissy fit! and I wasn't even dating anyone!!!

Cris

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

Tigger,

you are the only other person I have ever heard of who used to vomit at the

start of a period. I did too, I always used to start in the middle of the

night and would vomit for 24 hours, dry heaving when I had nothing else to bring

up. Stupid, stupid doc told my mother that it was a psychological reflex

action. How on earth could it be when I was so irregular that I didn't know it

was going to start and I would start vomiting BEFORE I knew that it had come.

Looking back now, I am sure that I had a huge dump of hormones and that is

what caused it. It started when I was 13 and mysteriously stopped when I was

18

Lynda (in the UK)

----- Original Message -----

From: Tigger

[Guest guest]

I didn't agree either that it was the pain that caused it. It is definitely

hormonal - and you'd think someone would realize more than just a few women get

this - and they would do something about it. I had my first laparoscopy and

surgical removal of endometriosis at about 21. I don't want to see my daughter

going down that path. I've been wondering if progesterone cream would help her -

I need to check with the gyny and have blood levels drawn etc.

Cris

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

They say it's the pain level that causes the nausea.... well, whatever it is,

we shouldn't have to go through it once/month!!

Cris

[Guest guest]

yeah - I never had a big flow though - My daughter does though. And my sister

did, but she never ever had cramps - and my mom never ever had cramps!! I was

the lucky one! and I gave it to my daughter. The one thing I prayed she wouldn't

get from me.

cris

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

They say it's the pain level that causes the nausea.... well, whatever it

is, we shouldn't have to go through it once/month!!

Cris

[Guest guest]

You should have slapped him. First, I quit going to male doctors for female

problems. I'd had it with that " it's all in your head routine a long time ago " .

As a matter of fact, most of my doctors are women. Men cannot begin to

understand the kind of pain that our hormones cause us because they've never

experienced it.

Go back and slap him for me, will ya! I feel so bad for your daughter. I had no

idea at that age either. I had to learn the hard way... too many doctors and

wrong diagnoses... hmmm, seems I'm still there.

Give her a hug for me.

Tigger

Re: menopausal daughter at 24????

Tigger,

you are the only other person I have ever heard of who used to vomit at the

start of a period. I did too, I always used to start in the middle of the

night and would vomit for 24 hours, dry heaving when I had nothing else to bring

up. Stupid, stupid doc told my mother that it was a psychological reflex

action. How on earth could it be when I was so irregular that I didn't know it

was going to start and I would start vomiting BEFORE I knew that it had come.

Looking back now, I am sure that I had a huge dump of hormones and that is

what caused it. It started when I was 13 and mysteriously stopped when I was

18

Lynda (in the UK)

----- Original Message -----

From: Tigger

[Guest guest]

Cris, there is a yahoo support group called Endonatural. Many of

the women on that board use progesterone cream, and by their posts

are younger women. They might have some helpful info for you. Many

of them treat their endo all naturally through diet, liver support

to get rid of the extra estrogens and progesterone. There is a

website called Endo 101 that has good info also.

R.

> no, she has not had any sort of workup. She still goes to the

pediatrician - I am thinking I should make her an apt. with my gyny.

My gyny is pretty new to me so I don't know where she stands with

all of this.

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