Re: how much commitement needed for (safest?) chelation ?

[Guest guest]

Hi Arnaud,

The Buttar protocol is just plain dangerous.

>

> I understand Buttar's protocol is easier to follow practically (no

> night doses) ,

> but it is stated in this list that this protocol is :

> - potentially dangerous for some cases (more or less equals plain

> dangerous !)

> - less efficient

>

> Do I formulate correctly ? Are the dangers stated here summarized

> somewhere ?

> (Thanks so much for what is already summarised btw)

[Guest guest]

> what would be your estimates of how much TIME or Energy does one have

> to put into Chelation ?

This is MY OWN EXPERIENCE only. Yours might be different.

> Can a working woman with 2 daughters, 3 1/2 (PDD, half time school)

> and 2yrs (NT) , helped by a nurse in the day, and family occasionaly,

> do it alone ?

Yes, if you want to.

> There is a plan that I (husband) would be at home only on week-ends

> next year.

You can chelate on the weekends, if you want.

> Commitment analysis :

>

> - Decision Time : chose a protocol, familly decision, find a doctor

It took me about 4 hours of research before I chose a protocol. My

husband will agree with whatever I decide, subject to disagreement as

he observes the progress, so that did not take any time. I did not

use a doctor, so I did not need to find one. The " find a doctor "

stage, plus any discussion with that doctor on which protocol to use,

would probably take the longest amount of time.

> - Do-ing Time : giving, waking up

I chose ALA 3x per day, which worked for my kids. It takes almost no

time to give, and I don't have to wake up. If you choose [or your

children need] the 3-4 hour protocol, the night waking part can be

brutal, but the benefits will probably justify it.

> - Watching closely symptoms : being up-to-date on what to watch,

> exchanges on list, feedback and tests with doctors...

Keeping a journal can be very time consuming, but it is VERY helpful,

at least at first, to figure out what you are seeing. I don't have

experience with " feedback and tests with doctors " , but that will also

take time.

Good luck.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello,

>

> what would be your estimates of how much TIME or Energy does one have

> to put into Chelation ?

>

> Can a working woman with 2 daughters, 3 1/2 (PDD, half time school)

> and 2yrs (NT) , helped by a nurse in the day, and family occasionaly,

> do it alone ?

>

> There is a plan that I (husband) would be at home only on week-ends

> next year.

> We do not know the results of Metal-testing yet.

>

>

> I understand Buttar's protocol is easier to follow practically (no

> night doses) ,

Yes, but as the people are starting to discover who have been doing it

for a few months it messes the kids up due to the inappropriate

adminstration timing.

> but it is stated in this list that this protocol is :

> - potentially dangerous for some cases (more or less equals plain

> dangerous !)

> - less efficient

>

> Do I formulate correctly ?

Yes.

> Are the dangers stated here summarized

> somewhere ?

Not in any clear form yet.

> (Thanks so much for what is already summarised btw)

>

>

> Commitment analysis :

>

> - Decision Time : chose a protocol, familly decision, find a doctor

> - Do-ing Time : giving, waking up

> - Watching closely symptoms : being up-to-date on what to watch,

> exchanges on list, feedback and tests with doctors...

You can start with oral (or transdermal if you want) DMPS every 8

hours. That is not too hard to do. See how it goes for a while, and

when progress slows, then do the 3-4 hour protocol with the alpha

lipoic acid. This lets you ease into things. Once you see real

progress the difficulties will seem like easy chores.

> Thanks

> Arnaud

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello,

>

> what would be your estimates of how much TIME or Energy does one

have

> to put into Chelation ?

I do think it depends a lot on the person and the methods you

are using. For example, if you are chelating a kid using

oral pills or powder, that might be really hard or really easy.

It really could be either. It might be no trouble, or it

might be a giant battle every time. Or it might be that

you have to spend the first 3 weeks trying different ways

to get it to work and THEN it is easy. So, it might take

a lot more work the first 3 weeks (in this example).

Another variable is how much you (or your child) have

difficult reactions or symptoms from chelation. Let's say

your child has a big yeast flare up after every other round

of chelation. Now let's say you don't know how to recognize

that or how to treat it. Okay, this could be a big disruption.

On the other hand, maybe you do know how to recognize it and

treat it but it is still SOME disruption.

It is hard to predict how much (or how little) time you may

spend on wondering what things mean or what to do or if X is

a problem.

Those are a couple of variables.

Now, let's take a " simple " case. We'll say you are going

to give oral chelation agents to a child who takes them

easily (either in pill or mixed in food, whatever). We'll futher

stipulate that you have bought whatever chelation agents

and supplements you need and everything is ready.

How much time will it take? Well, depending on what dose

timing you are using and what chelation agent, you'll need

to give your child both chelation agents and supplements

several times a day. Not horribly time consuming, but it

does take some amount of time, and you have to do it, and

it tends to inturrupt whatever is going on.

If you are using frequent doses and using DMSA or ALA then

there is waking up in the middle of the night for 2 or 3 nights

per chelation round.

You might just start with DMPS, which you can use every 8 hours.

(It requires an Rx in the US, however, and is the most expensive

of the chelation agents....)

>

> Can a working woman with 2 daughters, 3 1/2 (PDD, half time school)

> and 2yrs (NT) , helped by a nurse in the day, and family

occasionaly,

> do it alone ?

I don't know, I think it depends on the woman, the kids and

the nurse involved. Certainly it is possible, since lots of

people do it..... in all sorts of situations.......

You could start with talking to the nurse about it.....

>

> There is a plan that I (husband) would be at home only on week-

ends

> next year.

Oh, is that in addition to the working woman and nurse?

That sounds even better. Well, anyway, the chelation method that

I recommend (link above) just involves giving chelation agents

for 3 days at a time--- so most people do it on weekends.

> We do not know the results of Metal-testing yet.

>

>

> I understand Buttar's protocol is easier to follow practically (no

> night doses) ,

there are lots of methods that don't involve night doses, but

this can cause problems....

> but it is stated in this list that this protocol is :

> - potentially dangerous for some cases (more or less equals plain

> dangerous !)

> - less efficient

>

> Do I formulate correctly ? Are the dangers stated here summarized

> somewhere ?

no, I'm working on a file with chelation risks...

> (Thanks so much for what is already summarised btw)

>

>

> Commitment analysis :

>

> - Decision Time : chose a protocol, familly decision, find a doctor

> - Do-ing Time : giving, waking up

> - Watching closely symptoms : being up-to-date on what to watch,

> exchanges on list, feedback and tests with doctors...

that sounds pretty good.

Maybe some time to post questions, talk to other people,

celebrate sucesses, etc.

good wishes,

Moria

>

>

> Thanks

> Arnaud