Re: I gotta get out of this place......Aase

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Thanx Aase,

From what I remember (and my memory is shocking) Thonda was the

surname but now I think about it Thonda might have been the name she

married into.

I will have to wait until I can get a hold of a copy of our family

history (I have to go down to Mum's place and pick it all up) as I

was unable to get everything home after Mum passed away.

I know the Norwegian heritage was on my Grandfather's side and about

3+ generations back.

I too find it funny about the Norwegian Elkhound as the translas=tion

is SO wrong it should actually be (in English) Norwegian Moose DOG as

they are NOT hounds in the sense of the word that kennel clubs use,

they are more related to huskies and other spitz breeds but because

they were translated wrong they are shown against dachunds, and

beagles and afgans and HOUNDS, instead of being shown against

samoyeds, and huskies etc.

Somebody stuffed up big time. They just saw elghund and thought elk

hound and that was that instead of looking at the Norwegian language

and seeing that elg was moose and hund was dog.

Oh well I still love her they aren't very common here and

mainly as pets and show dogs (they are NOt used for hunting here) and

there are about 1000 in Australia.

I will let you know more when I find out about my Norwegian heritage,

thatnx so much for all of that information/

Sharon

> Hi Sharon,

>

> This is really interesting... I have no idea what " Thonda " is

though,

> but maybe it is misspelled in some sort of way. Do you know how far

> back this goes? And was " Thonda " supposed to be a title, not a

name?

> I know Thonda is a female name, but I have never heard it here....

> You got me a bit curious though, so I looked around a bit...

>

> We don't have that much tradition for nobility here in Norway, at

> least not like many other places. What we always learned was that

our

> Constitution of 1814 says that it was forbidden with _new_ nobility

> (still says that, I guess). Then by law of 1821, all the remaining

> Norwegian nobility, lost their titles. We learned also that the

> Norwegian nobility died out in the middle ages before we got Danish

> nobility or upper class, with one " baroni " and two " grevskap " (I

> don't know the English words for this, but you are probably

familiar

> with barons and counts (count=greve))...

>

> Some do disagree on this though, by defining nobility different.

E.g.

> you could count owners of large farms and areas of land, as

nobility.

> Somewhat different, but some mean it is valid anyway because they

> owned a lot and had a lot of power... Anyway, the real nobility of

> Norway were close to the king, and their most important privilege

was

> that they did not have to pay taxes...

>

> Amongst the titles they used before that time, I can't think of

> anything that is something like Thonda either... And the spelling

is

> a quite uncommon one here, e.g. " th " and also the ending with " a " ,

so

> I am really not sure. But, if we go far back, when the language was

> " old Norwegian " (similar to the Icelandic language today), they did

> use the " th " sound, written with a " funny d " (the Icelandics use

> these letters and sounds even today)... So maybe that is the

> explanation? I really have no clue, I am really not much into this

> part of our history... It would be interesting to know if they in

> Iceland have a word like this... But when I did a web search for

the

> word in Norway, I came up with nothing. I found a word containing

> the " funny d " and tried pasting it into the search field, but of

> course it did not work

>

> Let me see... Some of the noble titles they used here were " jarl " ,

> " baron " (before 1277 they were called " lendmenn " , then they were

> removed again in 1308), " vaepnere " , " grev " , " grevinne " , " ridder "

etc.

>

> I did a web search too for " Thonda " and different words

as " norway " ,

> " norwegian " , " nordic " , " iceland " etc., but did not come up with

> anything. Lots of other things though, especially things involving

> female's called Thonda.

>

> Most people, when they try to study their Norwegian heritage, comes

> back to the " Black Death " (word?), but no further since so many

died

> of that " plague " ... They say that most people in Norway who lived

> after that, got a better life, but for the nobility it got much

more

> difficult, they had problems upholding their power, the

> administration fell apart and the possibilities for income became

> greatly reduced, leading to Norway losing it's independence. The

> Kalmar Union was formed partly because of demographic coincidences,

> but also as a confirmation that the Nordic countries then was a

more

> suitable unit back then than each nation by itself. In the same way

> we then became part of the Nordic nobility, where titles and owning

> land meant more than which nation you belonged to... And just so

that

> is said, I don't know much about this at all, I looked around a bit

> on the web...

>

> So you have an Elkhound (they are called " elghund " here)... They

are

> beautiful dogs. Most people who own one here, have them because

they

> go hunting for moose (elg = moose, not elk). Kind of funny that

> they are called Elkhound and not Moosehound's... I don't see one

> often here anymore, since not that many people get one as a pet

only.

> I grew up with several of them in the neighborhood though and a

> couple of friends had them... Have a look at the web page for the

> Norwegian Kennel Club... http://www.nkk.no/ Look at their logo...

>

> Oh well, gotta go... I have so many posts to read up on, and I

really

> need a nap too!!!

>

>

> Aase Marit

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> >Aase,

> >I love hearing about Norway. I am of Norwegian decent I am related

> >to " Thonda " 's (supposedly they were some kind of nobility (Lords

and

> >Ladies type thing) way back, and she married an Australian Captail

> >and emigrated to Australia way back (this is like my great, great

or

> >MORE Grandparents)) and I have a Norwegain Elkhound dog (my second)

> >who is in training as my Service Dog (she is only little though she

> >is 16 months old and the runt of the litter).

> >As I have never been to Norway but always wanted to one day. I love

> >listening to what is going on through you.

> >Thanx

> >Sharon

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