Re: Re: butyrate vs alpha ketoglutaric acid

[Guest guest]

How do you diagnose hyperammonemia - Is it stool, urine or blood?

My son had a stool pH of 8.2 (ref range 6.0-7.2). The doc did not seem to

concerned, but it seems that this would encourage bad bugs.

Should I do more testing or supplement with something to get the pH down?

Thank you,

[ ] Re: butyrate vs alpha ketoglutaric acid

> ,

>

> Arginine is the standard of treatment for hyperammonemia. The only

form of

> butyrate that has been proven to work is sodium butyrate so buyer

beware.

> Also, bicarbonate is critical in the beginning of the urea cycle

which is

> where ammonia is released. Bicarb is also a major problem for

children with

> autism and epilepsy. According to Dr.'s Shaw and Baker most autistic

> children are extremely low in bicarb which of course would impair

ammonia

> excretion

-- We had excellent results using Cal/mag butyrate for

hyperammonemia. Major improvements came very quickly. We also gave

bicarbs 90-120 minutes after meals.

We don't bother with this any more as our son's hyperammonemia seems

to have resolved itself, although we keep some alpha-keto on hand for

occasional use.

Steve

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[Guest guest]

,

There are a couple of ways. One is a blood draw testing for ammonia, but it

has to be processed immediately and correctly otherwise it may give a false

elevated reading.

Urine organic acid test can give markers that will indicate an elevation in

ammonia. That also has to be interpreted correctly.

In health,

Mark Schauss

www.carbonbased.com

[ ] Re: butyrate vs alpha ketoglutaric acid

>

>

>

> > ,

> >

> > Arginine is the standard of treatment for hyperammonemia. The only

> form of

> > butyrate that has been proven to work is sodium butyrate so buyer

> beware.

> > Also, bicarbonate is critical in the beginning of the urea cycle

> which is

> > where ammonia is released. Bicarb is also a major problem for

> children with

> > autism and epilepsy. According to Dr.'s Shaw and Baker most autistic

> > children are extremely low in bicarb which of course would impair

> ammonia

> > excretion

>

> -- We had excellent results using Cal/mag butyrate for

> hyperammonemia. Major improvements came very quickly. We also gave

> bicarbs 90-120 minutes after meals.

> We don't bother with this any more as our son's hyperammonemia seems

> to have resolved itself, although we keep some alpha-keto on hand for

> occasional use.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Is too much ammonia (not enough acid) in the gut bad??

It would seem that an alkaline environment in the gut would hinder the proper

digestion of food? Also, not enough acid to kill the gut bugs.

[ ] Re: butyrate vs alpha ketoglutaric acid

>

>

>

> > ,

> >

> > Arginine is the standard of treatment for hyperammonemia. The only

> form of

> > butyrate that has been proven to work is sodium butyrate so buyer

> beware.

> > Also, bicarbonate is critical in the beginning of the urea cycle

> which is

> > where ammonia is released. Bicarb is also a major problem for

> children with

> > autism and epilepsy. According to Dr.'s Shaw and Baker most autistic

> > children are extremely low in bicarb which of course would impair

> ammonia

> > excretion

>

> -- We had excellent results using Cal/mag butyrate for

> hyperammonemia. Major improvements came very quickly. We also gave

> bicarbs 90-120 minutes after meals.

> We don't bother with this any more as our son's hyperammonemia seems

> to have resolved itself, although we keep some alpha-keto on hand for

> occasional use.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry for so many questions, but which OAT test are indicative of this?

[ ] Re: butyrate vs alpha ketoglutaric acid

>

>

>

> > ,

> >

> > Arginine is the standard of treatment for hyperammonemia. The only

> form of

> > butyrate that has been proven to work is sodium butyrate so buyer

> beware.

> > Also, bicarbonate is critical in the beginning of the urea cycle

> which is

> > where ammonia is released. Bicarb is also a major problem for

> children with

> > autism and epilepsy. According to Dr.'s Shaw and Baker most autistic

> > children are extremely low in bicarb which of course would impair

> ammonia

> > excretion

>

> -- We had excellent results using Cal/mag butyrate for

> hyperammonemia. Major improvements came very quickly. We also gave

> bicarbs 90-120 minutes after meals.

> We don't bother with this any more as our son's hyperammonemia seems

> to have resolved itself, although we keep some alpha-keto on hand for

> occasional use.

>

> Steve

>

>

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

,

Don't ever be shy about asking questions, this how we all get the answers we

need for our kids.

Orotate (aka orotic acid) is typically elevated in hyperammonemia. Others

that would confirm an ammonia problem include Citrate and Isocitrate

(elevated).

In health,

Mark Schauss

www.carbonbased.com

[ ] Re: butyrate vs alpha ketoglutaric acid

> >

> >

> >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > Arginine is the standard of treatment for hyperammonemia. The only

> > form of

> > > butyrate that has been proven to work is sodium butyrate so buyer

> > beware.

> > > Also, bicarbonate is critical in the beginning of the urea cycle

> > which is

> > > where ammonia is released. Bicarb is also a major problem for

> > children with

> > > autism and epilepsy. According to Dr.'s Shaw and Baker most

autistic

> > > children are extremely low in bicarb which of course would impair

> > ammonia

> > > excretion

> >

> > -- We had excellent results using Cal/mag butyrate for

> > hyperammonemia. Major improvements came very quickly. We also gave

> > bicarbs 90-120 minutes after meals.

> > We don't bother with this any more as our son's hyperammonemia seems

> > to have resolved itself, although we keep some alpha-keto on hand

for

> > occasional use.

> >

> > Steve

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >