selenium ?

[Guest guest]

In Andy's book I think he recommends selenomethionine as the form of

selenium you should take is there a reason why selenomethionie is

preferred over other selenium forms?

[Guest guest]

An environmental doctor I know treats patients with selenium and with some

success.

I tried it and the good things said about sel are true. It does good things and

the best

thing about it is that he gets his supply from a vet at a fraction of the price,

yet with all the

same benefits as the more expensive label brands.

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> > ---

> > Hey debby

> >

> > I asked my dietician about selenium and she

> > indicated

> > that the study is very old and that it affected

> > people

> > with previous sugar issues.

> >

> > It does not apply to anyone who previously didnt

> > have

> > sugar issues.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response. I just realized that I

don't know what the recommended dose is? I'm totally

clueless when it comes to supps.. lots to learn.

Luv,

Debby

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--- Karaka <tepaatu@...> wrote:

> An environmental doctor I know treats patients with

> selenium and with some success.

>

> I tried it and the good things said about sel are

> true. It does good things and the best

> thing about it is that he gets his supply from a vet

> at a fraction of the price, yet with all the

> same benefits as the more expensive label brands.

>

>

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I think 400 mcg per day would be sufficient. I take two 200 mcg

capsules per day. You can probably take more but there is some

concern about taking too much. The 400 mcg seems to work well and is

well within the " safe " range.

Gail

>

> > An environmental doctor I know treats patients with

> > selenium and with some success.

> >

> > I tried it and the good things said about sel are

> > true. It does good things and the best

> > thing about it is that he gets his supply from a vet

> > at a fraction of the price, yet with all the

> > same benefits as the more expensive label brands.

> >

> >

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>

[Guest guest]

Unlike some, because of health regulations here, I am not legally permitted to

prescribe,

hence the guesswork referred to in my earlier post below:

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>

> > An environmental doctor I know treats patients with

> > selenium and with some success.

> >

> > I tried it and the good things said about sel are

> > true. It does good things and the best

> > thing about it is that he gets his supply from a vet

> > at a fraction of the price, yet with all the

> > same benefits as the more expensive label brands.

> >

> >

> candidiasis/message/54814

>

>

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> My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

>

[Guest guest]

Debby, selenium dosage should be about 200 mcg for healthy people.

Higher for those who are ill, about 400-600 mcg. Tumours started to

shrink at around 1100 mcg in the research, and 3200 mcg daily has

been given with only fingernail deformities showing up as an early

indicator of toxicity.

Duncan

>

> > An environmental doctor I know treats patients with

> > selenium and with some success.

> >

> > I tried it and the good things said about sel are

> > true. It does good things and the best

> > thing about it is that he gets his supply from a vet

> > at a fraction of the price, yet with all the

> > same benefits as the more expensive label brands.

> >

> >

> candidiasis/message/54814

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Duncan.. I'll adjust my dose accordingly.

Looking forward to sharing my results.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

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--- Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Debby, selenium dosage should be about 200 mcg for

> healthy people.

> Higher for those who are ill, about 400-600 mcg.

> Tumours started to

> shrink at around 1100 mcg in the research, and 3200

> mcg daily has

> been given with only fingernail deformities showing

> up as an early

> indicator of toxicity.

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[Guest guest]

_Dietary Supplement Fact Sheet: Selenium_

(http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp) - Here's an interesting link

especially since low body temp

and thyroid were being discussed too.

In a message dated 7/17/2007 12:57:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

Debby, selenium dosage should be about 200 mcg for healthy people.

Higher for those who are ill, about 400-600 mcg. Tumours started to

shrink at around 1100 mcg in the research, and 3200 mcg daily has

been given with only fingernail deformities showing up as an early

indicator of toxicity.

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Thanks Gail! There is so much to learn when it comes

to supplements.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

380/239/189

--- Gail <gmgblues@...> wrote:

> I think 400 mcg per day would be sufficient. I take

> two 200 mcg

> capsules per day. You can probably take more but

> there is some

> concern about taking too much. The 400 mcg seems to

> work well and is

> well within the " safe " range.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for your time. 400mg seems to be the

consensus here, so I'll probably go for that.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

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--- Karaka <karaka@...> wrote:

> Unlike some, because of health regulations here, I

> am not legally permitted to prescribe,

> hence the guesswork referred to in my earlier post

> below:

>

>

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[Guest guest]

The National Institute of Health's Sloan-Kettering Memorial Cancer

Center is the organization that denied that their own research showed

significant results against cancer with vitmain b-17, Laetrile, and

then fired Ralph Moss for revealing their coverup to the press.

Although the perpetrators are probably no longer there, the coverup

forever tainted public perception of the organization's impartiality,

and rightly so, given that the organization has a lot to lose by

losing the pharmaceutical companies' funding.

Duncan

>

>

>

>

> _Dietary Supplement Fact Sheet: Selenium_

> (http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp) - Here's an

interesting link especially since low body temp

> and thyroid were being discussed too.

>

>

> In a message dated 7/17/2007 12:57:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> duncancrow@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Debby, selenium dosage should be about 200 mcg for healthy people.

> Higher for those who are ill, about 400-600 mcg. Tumours started

to

> shrink at around 1100 mcg in the research, and 3200 mcg daily has

> been given with only fingernail deformities showing up as an early

> indicator of toxicity.

>

> Duncan

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

While I am legally prevented from prescribing, I can say for a couple of months

I took

between 300 - 600 mcg daily, before I noticed positive benefits.

I didn't observe improvement on the more conservative dosages (200mcg)

'officially'

recommended by doctors.

The stuff I used, my doctor obtained from the vets in thoroughbred race-horse

country,

which means it's more affordable and also is in a readily absorbed liquid.

Good luck Debby.

>

> > Unlike some, because of health regulations here, I

> > am not legally permitted to prescribe,

> > hence the guesswork referred to in my earlier post

> > below:

> >

> >

> candidiasis/message/55852

>

>

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want now. -- Zig Ziglar

>

> New group! Curing Candida:

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>

> My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04) http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

>

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't it be great if med schools were not " for sale " ?

My sis goes to Drexel med school, and reported to me that they

cancelled a course on alternative medicine recently. Why? It was so

popular among the students that the school's Big Pharma donors had it

killed.

The Hippocratic oath is meaningless these days.

>

> The National Institute of Health's Sloan-Kettering Memorial Cancer

> Center is the organization that denied that their own research showed

> significant results against cancer with vitmain b-17, Laetrile, and

> then fired Ralph Moss for revealing their coverup to the press.

>

> Although the perpetrators are probably no longer there, the coverup

> forever tainted public perception of the organization's impartiality,

> and rightly so, given that the organization has a lot to lose by

> losing the pharmaceutical companies' funding.

>

> Duncan

>

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debby

are there any side effects with selenium that we

should be aware of?

ALso what are you thoughts on whey?

sue

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---I took

> between 300 - 600 mcg daily, before I noticed

> positive benefits.

>

What were the positive benefits that you noticed?

sue

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--- sue <tauttodream@...> wrote:

> are there any side effects with selenium that we

> should be aware of?

Hi Sue.. I don't know of any side effects with

selenium, but I do know that many vitamins and

minerals are meant to be kept in balance, ie. their

ratio to one another. If you write to me privately

and remind me, I'll send you a few pdf's I have on the

subject.

> ALso what are you thoughts on whey?

I usually do not knock anything I have not personally

tried and ruled out for myself. Since I am an

open-minded and curious person, I tend to try a lot of

things, but not necessarily believe they will help.

I'm actually not inclined to try whey myself unless

it's a last option as there are many things that I

believe will help more, especially sticking to the

diet faithfully. Often those dietary lapses are much

more damaging than anything we do or do not take in

pill form.

I have heard of some people who do well on it, and

others who don't. I figure it's one of those things

you have to try for yourself.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

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[Guest guest]

Anyhow, wanted to let you know something about selenium...it *must* be balanced

with

copper and zinc to work properly and to not make you sick. Too much selenium

can be

dangerous. I am one of those thyroid patients who know the benefits, have seen

the

consequences of not balancing properly with copper and zinc also and do mostly

alternative medicine now.

Just an FYI,

Jody

" Symptoms of selenium toxicity include hair, tooth and nail loss and

dermatitis. " (Ontario)

" The toxicity of most forms of selenium is low and the toxicity depends on the

chemical

form of selenium. The acute ingestion of selenious acid is almost invariably

fatal, preceded

by stupor, hypotension, and respiratory depression. Chronic selenium poisoning

has been

reported in China where changes in the hair and nails resulted from excessive

environmental exposures to selenium. Garlic odor on the breath is an indication

of

excessive selenium exposure as a result of the expiration of dimethyl selenide.

The US

National Toxicology Program lists selenium sulfide as an animal carcinogen, but

there is

no evidence that other selenium compounds are carcinogens. " (Barceloux)

" Selenium toxicity can occur from either acute or chronic exposure. ...

Individuals often

develop characteristic symptoms including a garlic or sour breath odor, nausea,

vomiting,

abdominal pain, restlessness, hypersalivation, and muscle spasms. Death is

preceded by

refractory hypotension from direct myocardial depression and peripheral

vasodilation. ...

Heavily exposed individuals may demonstrate gastroenteritis [inflammation of the

lining of

the stomach and intestines], hair and nail changes, and neurologic

manifestations

including acroparesthesias [a disease marked by tingling, numbness, and

stiffness in the

extremities], weakness, convulsions, and decreased cognitive function. "

(Strukle)

" The optimal size of dose for supplementation is controversial with respect to

both

efficacy and safety. In China, selenosis was observed in some individuals with a

sustained

intake of at least 750 micrograms/day [0.75 milligrams/day]but was not observed

among

others with intakes exceeding 1 mg. [1 milligram/day]... A large-scale Se human

intervention trial in the United States suggests no harm due to long-term Se

intake of

more than 200 micrograms/day [0.2 milligrams/day]. " ()

Hofbauer and colleagues report " a patient in whom, along with standard therapy,

administration of large intravenous doses of selenite for sepsis secondary to

pneumonia

resulted in development of marked hypothyroidism. In addition, severe iodine

deficiency

was noted, and supplementation with iodine led to normalization of thyroid

function. " (Hofbauer)

http://www.bccancer.bc.ca/PPI/UnconventionalTherapies/Selenium.htm

[Guest guest]

Folks, this discussion re: selenium has me just plain frightened. What is the

specific purpose of using it?

For now, I think it's wise that I stick with my B's, Calcium, mag and omega

3's, along with some C

Kathy in AZ

He is my defense, I shall not be move-ed...

[Guest guest]

Everyone is responsible for their own actions and only they feel the

full personal consequence.

Im quite happy to continue using selenium and whey, at doses of 2x300

mcg per day.

It is highly evident IME that selenium and whey definitely help to

reduce the toxin load. The visible blemishes, the flashing dots. Even

using the sf722 anti-fungal, the die off is not harsh at all.

I personally rate this supplement highly for detox purposes. My

research has led me to believe that about 600mcg is safe.

>

> Folks, this discussion re: selenium has me just plain frightened.

What is the specific purpose of using it?

>

> For now, I think it's wise that I stick with my B's, Calcium, mag

and omega 3's, along with some C

>

> Kathy in AZ

> He is my defense, I shall not be move-ed...

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> It is highly evident IME that selenium and whey

> definitely help to

> reduce the toxin load. The visible blemishes, the

> flashing dots. Even

> using the sf722 anti-fungal, the die off is not

> harsh at all.

I have just begun to use selenium and whey so i can

let you all know the outcome. So far the gas is

diminishing and i have tons of effective energy. My

legs are a bit achey if that means anything.

I am using it as a possible way to eliminate or reduce

the toxic load i may be carrying.

So far so good but it is only 4 days!

sue

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> What is the specific purpose of using it?

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[Guest guest]

There's nothing to be frightened about - unless one is planning on

overdosing which is somewhere in the mcg thousands I think.

Many people on this list take selenium with very positive results. I

followed the Candida diet pretty strictly for 8 mo with very little

improvement. Then I added the whey, inulin and selenium and within a

few weeks had improved significantly - didn't feel sick all the time

anymore, had increased energy, no more constipation, etc. I take a 200

mcg capsule of selenium twice a day and wouldn't give it up for

anything. Course I wouldn't give up the whey and inulin either because

all three together really work wonders.

Gail

>

> Folks, this discussion re: selenium has me just plain frightened.

What is the specific purpose of using it?

>

> For now, I think it's wise that I stick with my B's, Calcium, mag

and omega 3's, along with some C

>

> Kathy in AZ

> He is my defense, I shall not be move-ed...

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi gail,

I just started taking selenium at 300mcg daily and

bhey shakes for 4 days. I do have more energy and

feel like i can focus better, if that makes sense. I

havent begun inulin, what can you tell me about it.

thanks

sue

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[Guest guest]

Kathy, selenium is crucial to energy production and detoxification,

most healthy people and about longerll people who are ill are low in

it, and their health tends to improve when they are not selenium-

deficient. Without selenium on the other hand a person's health

regime is impaired. Supplementation is much wiser than not doing it.

Duncan

>

> Folks, this discussion re: selenium has me just plain frightened.

What is the specific purpose of using it?

>

> For now, I think it's wise that I stick with my B's, Calcium, mag

and omega 3's, along with some C

>

> Kathy in AZ

> He is my defense, I shall not be move-ed...

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- Karaka <karaka@...> wrote:

> Anyhow, wanted to let you know something about

> selenium...it *must* be balanced with

> copper and zinc to work properly and to not make you

> sick. Too much selenium can be

> dangerous. I am one of those thyroid patients who

> know the benefits, have seen the

> consequences of not balancing properly with copper

> and zinc also and do mostly

> alternative medicine now.

Thanks for the heads up Jody. Do you have any info on

how you balance the copper and zinc and dosing

amounts? I currently take zinc anyway but not copper.

Also what have you found works with your thyroid

issues? Have you tried iodine at all?

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

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[Guest guest]

hey debby

i spoke to my dietician today regarding selenium. she

advised that taking 300mcg-400mcg daily would not

creat any type of adverse reaction with regards to

imbalancing copper and zinc. That infor was for me

just so anyone with a ? would want to check with their

own dr.

just to let you know.

sue

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