Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Does anybody know if it would be good to use PCA-rx if you took a suirt every 3-4 hours? I tried using it on a friend's recommendation, and was getting better at first for a few months, but then I got WAY sicker for several months than I had been, nearly died, I thihnk, and eventually discontinued use,.... after which I was immediately much better. Then I got on Andy's protocol and have been climbing uphill ever since. :-) My suspicion is that the lipoic acid in th PCA was causing redistribution, becasue it was taken only once or twice a day. However, I don't really know and would be very interested if anybody knows more about this Any input apreciated ~Inga ____________on 10/17/04 6:08 PM, eugui6 at raquelerro@... wrote: > > > Hi: > > I am using TD DMPS, the one that Dr. Buttar developed for his son. > The pharmacy that carries it- you will need a Rx- is AMT. Dr. > Buttar's protocol is one application every 48 hours... which I did 3 > times. So I did 3 appications in 6 days. > > My son reacted very well to this protocol at the beggining, had a > verbal " explossion " etc. By the 3 application, the 5th day, he was > sick, hade feber, vomited and was generally sick. I blamed a virus, > my dh insisted on stopping the medication. He was right. It was > redistribution. My son regressed and toewalked again. > > I waited abour 3 weeks and started again using TD DMPS in a 8 hour 3 > day protocol. He is improving. We are at the end of round 3. > Apparently, this particular TD DMPS cream crosses the skin. > > Warmly, > > Raquel > > >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> 2. DMPS is not air stable in liquids, it is hard to imagine how > it >>> is going to be made stable in a transdermal vehicle. >>> >>> 3. Ionic things like DMPS don't get in through the skin very > well >>> anyway. >>> >>> 4. NOTHING gets in through the skin particularly well, 10% being >>> pretty good. Since DMPS is 50% absorbed when eaten transdermal >>> use is frivolous. >> >> TD-DMPS has been out there a while now. Does anyone know if the >> issues above have been addressed and/or solved? My DAN doctor is >> recommending TD-DMPS, but I really don't want to waste time and > money >> using it if there's a more effective route. >> >> I want to believe the wonderful stories I'm hearing about TD-DMPS, > but >> the issues listed above are in direct contradiction to them. Can >> someone please enlighten me? >> >> Kamron > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Probably not. How do you meter a squirt? Kinda tough to calculate. I hope you won't feel bad for getting zonked. We have a $140 bottle of METAL-FREE in the fridge as a souvenir or to just remind us that more expensive isn't better. Our ALA costs about $8 to $16 a bottle depending on potency, and ALA is a chelator. I do like your thinking. We have been using olive leaf extract for viral, bacteria and yeast issues on a semi-Andy protocol of 500 mg, three times daily, with six hours between doses. It did cause some kind of a die-off and we backed off for two or three days. We then built it up slowly back to 500mg. We intend to do this for two to three months, then we will taper off to once or twice a day for a year. The HFS guy said there's something like six hundred different viruses that its known to kill. It'll be nice if it knocks out a few for us. I've tried it when I was scratchy and sniffley and it worked pretty good with a fair amount of water. Re: [ ] Re: PCA=rx Does anybody know if it would be good to use PCA-rx if you took a suirt every 3-4 hours? I tried using it on a friend's recommendation, and was getting better at first for a few months, but then I got WAY sicker for several months than I had been, nearly died, I thihnk, and eventually discontinued use,.... after which I was immediately much better. Then I got on Andy's protocol and have been climbing uphill ever since. :-) My suspicion is that the lipoic acid in th PCA was causing redistribution, becasue it was taken only once or twice a day. However, I don't really know and would be very interested if anybody knows more about this Any input apreciated ~Inga ____________on 10/17/04 6:08 PM, eugui6 at raquelerro@... wrote: > > > Hi: > > I am using TD DMPS, the one that Dr. Buttar developed for his son. > The pharmacy that carries it- you will need a Rx- is AMT. Dr. > Buttar's protocol is one application every 48 hours... which I did 3 > times. So I did 3 appications in 6 days. > > My son reacted very well to this protocol at the beggining, had a > verbal " explossion " etc. By the 3 application, the 5th day, he was > sick, hade feber, vomited and was generally sick. I blamed a virus, > my dh insisted on stopping the medication. He was right. It was > redistribution. My son regressed and toewalked again. > > I waited abour 3 weeks and started again using TD DMPS in a 8 hour 3 > day protocol. He is improving. We are at the end of round 3. > Apparently, this particular TD DMPS cream crosses the skin. > > Warmly, > > Raquel > > >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> 2. DMPS is not air stable in liquids, it is hard to imagine how > it >>> is going to be made stable in a transdermal vehicle. >>> >>> 3. Ionic things like DMPS don't get in through the skin very > well >>> anyway. >>> >>> 4. NOTHING gets in through the skin particularly well, 10% being >>> pretty good. Since DMPS is 50% absorbed when eaten transdermal >>> use is frivolous. >> >> TD-DMPS has been out there a while now. Does anyone know if the >> issues above have been addressed and/or solved? My DAN doctor is >> recommending TD-DMPS, but I really don't want to waste time and > money >> using it if there's a more effective route. >> >> I want to believe the wonderful stories I'm hearing about TD-DMPS, > but >> the issues listed above are in direct contradiction to them. Can >> someone please enlighten me? >> >> Kamron > > > > > > > ======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 I use a zapper. Seems nobody is too interested in zappers at this site. I had yeast problems before I ever started chelating. Now tht I ZAP, even though I have started ALA, I really don't see any signs of yeast. ~inga on 10/17/04 7:17 PM, Kerbob at robertbloch@... wrote: > > Probably not. How do you meter a squirt? Kinda tough to calculate. I hope you > won't feel bad for getting zonked. We have a $140 bottle of METAL-FREE in the > fridge as a souvenir or to just remind us that more expensive isn't better. > > Our ALA costs about $8 to $16 a bottle depending on potency, and ALA is a > chelator. > > I do like your thinking. > > We have been using olive leaf extract for viral, bacteria and yeast issues on > a semi-Andy protocol of 500 mg, three times daily, with six hours between > doses. It did cause some kind of a die-off and we backed off for two or three > days. We then built it up slowly back to 500mg. > > We intend to do this for two to three months, then we will taper off to once > or twice a day for a year. > > The HFS guy said there's something like six hundred different viruses that its > known to kill. It'll be nice if it knocks out a few for us. I've tried it when > I was scratchy and sniffley and it worked pretty good with a fair amount of > water. > > > Re: [ ] Re: PCA=rx > > > Does anybody know if it would be good to use PCA-rx if you took a suirt > every 3-4 hours? > > I tried using it on a friend's recommendation, and was getting better at > first for a few months, but then I got WAY sicker for several months than I > had been, nearly died, I thihnk, and eventually discontinued use,.... after > which I was immediately much better. > Then I got on Andy's protocol and have been climbing uphill ever since. :-) > > My suspicion is that the lipoic acid in th PCA was causing redistribution, > becasue it was taken only once or twice a day. > However, I don't really know and would be very interested if anybody knows > more about this > > Any input apreciated > > ~Inga > > > > ____________on 10/17/04 6:08 PM, eugui6 at raquelerro@... wrote: > >> >> >> Hi: >> >> I am using TD DMPS, the one that Dr. Buttar developed for his son. >> The pharmacy that carries it- you will need a Rx- is AMT. Dr. >> Buttar's protocol is one application every 48 hours... which I did 3 >> times. So I did 3 appications in 6 days. >> >> My son reacted very well to this protocol at the beggining, had a >> verbal " explossion " etc. By the 3 application, the 5th day, he was >> sick, hade feber, vomited and was generally sick. I blamed a virus, >> my dh insisted on stopping the medication. He was right. It was >> redistribution. My son regressed and toewalked again. >> >> I waited abour 3 weeks and started again using TD DMPS in a 8 hour 3 >> day protocol. He is improving. We are at the end of round 3. >> Apparently, this particular TD DMPS cream crosses the skin. >> >> Warmly, >> >> Raquel >> >> >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> 2. DMPS is not air stable in liquids, it is hard to imagine how >> it >>>> is going to be made stable in a transdermal vehicle. >>>> >>>> 3. Ionic things like DMPS don't get in through the skin very >> well >>>> anyway. >>>> >>>> 4. NOTHING gets in through the skin particularly well, 10% being >>>> pretty good. Since DMPS is 50% absorbed when eaten transdermal >>>> use is frivolous. >>> >>> TD-DMPS has been out there a while now. Does anyone know if the >>> issues above have been addressed and/or solved? My DAN doctor is >>> recommending TD-DMPS, but I really don't want to waste time and >> money >>> using it if there's a more effective route. >>> >>> I want to believe the wonderful stories I'm hearing about TD-DMPS, >> but >>> the issues listed above are in direct contradiction to them. Can >>> someone please enlighten me? >>> >>> Kamron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ======================================================= >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 I tried the link that you offered, but it didn't work. Is the Zapper some kind of low voltage thing? Re: [ ] Re: PCA=rx > > > Does anybody know if it would be good to use PCA-rx if you took a suirt > every 3-4 hours? > > I tried using it on a friend's recommendation, and was getting better at > first for a few months, but then I got WAY sicker for several months than I > had been, nearly died, I thihnk, and eventually discontinued use,.... after > which I was immediately much better. > Then I got on Andy's protocol and have been climbing uphill ever since. :-) > > My suspicion is that the lipoic acid in th PCA was causing redistribution, > becasue it was taken only once or twice a day. > However, I don't really know and would be very interested if anybody knows > more about this > > Any input apreciated > > ~Inga > > > > ____________on 10/17/04 6:08 PM, eugui6 at raquelerro@... wrote: > >> >> >> Hi: >> >> I am using TD DMPS, the one that Dr. Buttar developed for his son. >> The pharmacy that carries it- you will need a Rx- is AMT. Dr. >> Buttar's protocol is one application every 48 hours... which I did 3 >> times. So I did 3 appications in 6 days. >> >> My son reacted very well to this protocol at the beggining, had a >> verbal " explossion " etc. By the 3 application, the 5th day, he was >> sick, hade feber, vomited and was generally sick. I blamed a virus, >> my dh insisted on stopping the medication. He was right. It was >> redistribution. My son regressed and toewalked again. >> >> I waited abour 3 weeks and started again using TD DMPS in a 8 hour 3 >> day protocol. He is improving. We are at the end of round 3. >> Apparently, this particular TD DMPS cream crosses the skin. >> >> Warmly, >> >> Raquel >> >> >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> 2. DMPS is not air stable in liquids, it is hard to imagine how >> it >>>> is going to be made stable in a transdermal vehicle. >>>> >>>> 3. Ionic things like DMPS don't get in through the skin very >> well >>>> anyway. >>>> >>>> 4. NOTHING gets in through the skin particularly well, 10% being >>>> pretty good. Since DMPS is 50% absorbed when eaten transdermal >>>> use is frivolous. >>> >>> TD-DMPS has been out there a while now. Does anyone know if the >>> issues above have been addressed and/or solved? My DAN doctor is >>> recommending TD-DMPS, but I really don't want to waste time and >> money >>> using it if there's a more effective route. >>> >>> I want to believe the wonderful stories I'm hearing about TD-DMPS, >> but >>> the issues listed above are in direct contradiction to them. Can >>> someone please enlighten me? >>> >>> Kamron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ======================================================= >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Key in the words " Don Croft " + " Zapper " and you will come up with several pages on the zapper. ~Inga on 10/18/04 7:52 AM, Kerbob at robertbloch@... wrote: > > I tried the link that you offered, but it didn't work. Is the Zapper some kind > of low voltage thing? > Re: [ ] Re: PCA=rx >> >> >> Does anybody know if it would be good to use PCA-rx if you took a suirt >> every 3-4 hours? >> >> I tried using it on a friend's recommendation, and was getting better at >> first for a few months, but then I got WAY sicker for several months than I >> had been, nearly died, I thihnk, and eventually discontinued use,.... after >> which I was immediately much better. >> Then I got on Andy's protocol and have been climbing uphill ever since. :-) >> >> My suspicion is that the lipoic acid in th PCA was causing redistribution, >> becasue it was taken only once or twice a day. >> However, I don't really know and would be very interested if anybody knows >> more about this >> >> Any input apreciated >> >> ~Inga >> >> >> >> ____________on 10/17/04 6:08 PM, eugui6 at raquelerro@... wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Hi: >>> >>> I am using TD DMPS, the one that Dr. Buttar developed for his son. >>> The pharmacy that carries it- you will need a Rx- is AMT. Dr. >>> Buttar's protocol is one application every 48 hours... which I did 3 >>> times. So I did 3 appications in 6 days. >>> >>> My son reacted very well to this protocol at the beggining, had a >>> verbal " explossion " etc. By the 3 application, the 5th day, he was >>> sick, hade feber, vomited and was generally sick. I blamed a virus, >>> my dh insisted on stopping the medication. He was right. It was >>> redistribution. My son regressed and toewalked again. >>> >>> I waited abour 3 weeks and started again using TD DMPS in a 8 hour 3 >>> day protocol. He is improving. We are at the end of round 3. >>> Apparently, this particular TD DMPS cream crosses the skin. >>> >>> Warmly, >>> >>> Raquel >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>> 2. DMPS is not air stable in liquids, it is hard to imagine how >>> it >>>>> is going to be made stable in a transdermal vehicle. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Ionic things like DMPS don't get in through the skin very >>> well >>>>> anyway. >>>>> >>>>> 4. NOTHING gets in through the skin particularly well, 10% being >>>>> pretty good. Since DMPS is 50% absorbed when eaten transdermal >>>>> use is frivolous. >>>> >>>> TD-DMPS has been out there a while now. Does anyone know if the >>>> issues above have been addressed and/or solved? My DAN doctor is >>>> recommending TD-DMPS, but I really don't want to waste time and >>> money >>>> using it if there's a more effective route. >>>> >>>> I want to believe the wonderful stories I'm hearing about TD-DMPS, >>> but >>>> the issues listed above are in direct contradiction to them. Can >>>> someone please enlighten me? >>>> >>>> Kamron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ======================================================= >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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