can we chelate/at a loss-please help

[Guest guest]

I'm really at a loss here and hope someone can help me. We have been

doing the DAN protocol for a few years with very little results. (My

son is now going on 11.) We recently found out that he is high in

sulfur so he is on L-Serine to dump out the excess. The Dr. warned

me this will cause diarrhea but of course it hasn't because my son is

constipated and he continues to have a b.m. every 3 days. In

addition, he is high copper with pyroluria. (treated in past with

zinc+mega vitamins as per Pfeiffer to no avail). Despite all of our

efforts to heal his gut (GFCF for 5 years, Feingold, SCD for 6+

months, enzymes, probiotics...) nothing seems to work.

My question is, he obviously isn't absorbing his supplements and he

is high in metals (mercury, antimony, copper, and arsenic) and I know

we need to chelate to get rid of these metals, but how can I give him

DMSA (or any other chelating agent) when I know he won't absorb it?

I believe ALA is out of the question due to high sulfur/copper. Is

that correct? We also know from other testing (energy work included)

that his liver and kidneys are functioning poorly. Do we chelate

anyway? Wait even longer for things to straighten out in his system

(who knows how much longer that will be)? What can we possibly do for

him? I am truly at a loss.

Suzanne

[Guest guest]

You have said a whole bunch of totally irrelevant stuff that suggests

you may not have a doctor who knows how to do this yet (most DAN!

doctors unfortunately do not) but does not provide the information

needed to give an intelligent answer to your questions.

Useful information is WHY you think he has high copper and sulfur in

the form of specific named tests and test results.

Also if you have a DDI hair element profile, posting it in the standard

format would be helpful.

Also if you chelated on the DAN! protocol it is possible he needs

chelation but just didn't get better since it is a harmful and

inappropriate way to chelate. At least he didn't get worse. Exactly

how did you chelate him?

Giving him more mangesium may at least promote a normal healthy

frequency of bowel movements, like once or more a day.

When you post further details, send me the post number privately and

I'll get on the list and respond.

Andy . .. . . . . .

> I'm really at a loss here and hope someone can help me. We have been

> doing the DAN protocol for a few years with very little results. (My

> son is now going on 11.) We recently found out that he is high in

> sulfur so he is on L-Serine to dump out the excess. The Dr. warned

> me this will cause diarrhea but of course it hasn't because my son is

> constipated and he continues to have a b.m. every 3 days. In

> addition, he is high copper with pyroluria. (treated in past with

> zinc+mega vitamins as per Pfeiffer to no avail). Despite all of our

> efforts to heal his gut (GFCF for 5 years, Feingold, SCD for 6+

> months, enzymes, probiotics...) nothing seems to work.

>

> My question is, he obviously isn't absorbing his supplements and he

> is high in metals (mercury, antimony, copper, and arsenic) and I know

> we need to chelate to get rid of these metals, but how can I give him

> DMSA (or any other chelating agent) when I know he won't absorb it?

> I believe ALA is out of the question due to high sulfur/copper. Is

> that correct? We also know from other testing (energy work included)

> that his liver and kidneys are functioning poorly. Do we chelate

> anyway? Wait even longer for things to straighten out in his system

> (who knows how much longer that will be)? What can we possibly do for

> him? I am truly at a loss.

>

> Suzanne

[Guest guest]

>>Despite all of our

> efforts to heal his gut (GFCF for 5 years, Feingold, SCD for 6+

> months, enzymes, probiotics...) nothing seems to work.

>

> My question is, he obviously isn't absorbing his supplements and he

> is high in metals (mercury, antimony, copper, and arsenic) and I know

> we need to chelate to get rid of these metals, but how can I give him

> DMSA (or any other chelating agent) when I know he won't absorb it?

My son tolerated basically no foods or supplements. I used ALA and

now he tolerates all foods and several supplements.

I would definitely consider trying chelation, low dose, see what

happens. It might take longer, but based on my son's experience, it

will probably be helpful.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> >>Despite all of our

> > efforts to heal his gut (GFCF for 5 years, Feingold, SCD for 6+

> > months, enzymes, probiotics...) nothing seems to work.

> >

> > My question is, he obviously isn't absorbing his supplements and

he

> > is high in metals (mercury, antimony, copper, and arsenic) and I

know

> > we need to chelate to get rid of these metals, but how can I give

him

> > DMSA (or any other chelating agent) when I know he won't absorb

it?

>

>

> My son tolerated basically no foods or supplements. I used ALA and

> now he tolerates all foods and several supplements.

>

> I would definitely consider trying chelation, low dose, see what

> happens. It might take longer, but based on my son's experience, it

> will probably be helpful.

>

> Dana

Sound like my 7 year old son. We tried everything with little to no

improvement. I finally am addressing the yeast/gut issues that my

Dan Dr's did address properly. We tried oral chelation for about 9-

10 months with no improvement. Now we are to try the Transdermal

DMPSA>

[Guest guest]

> I'm really at a loss here and hope someone can help me. We have

been

> doing the DAN protocol for a few years with very little results.

(My

> son is now going on 11.) We recently found out that he is high in

> sulfur

as measured on what sort of a test?

> so he is on L-Serine to dump out the excess. The Dr. warned

> me this will cause diarrhea but of course it hasn't because my son

is

> constipated and he continues to have a b.m. every 3 days.

If you want you can consider giving him magnesium to help

with the constipation. Or intestinal cleansing formula

#3 (in fig syrup) from American Botanical Pharmacy.

> In

> addition, he is high copper with pyroluria.

the high copper is according to what test?

> (treated in past with

> zinc+mega vitamins as per Pfeiffer to no avail). Despite all of

our

> efforts to heal his gut (GFCF for 5 years, Feingold, SCD for 6+

> months, enzymes, probiotics...) nothing seems to work.

>

> My question is, he obviously isn't absorbing his supplements and

he

> is high in metals (mercury, antimony, copper, and arsenic)

according to what test?

> and I know

> we need to chelate to get rid of these metals, but how can I give

him

> DMSA (or any other chelating agent) when I know he won't absorb

it?

It will still work, actually.

> I believe ALA is out of the question due to high sulfur/copper. Is

> that correct?

It depends on what test is showing the high copper and it

depends on how high it is. If it is not HIGH HAIR COPPER

then it is okay to use ALA. Also don't use ALA if he has

had RECENT mercury exposure (e.g. injected thimerosal).

> We also know from other testing (energy work included)

> that his liver and kidneys are functioning poorly. Do we chelate

> anyway? Wait even longer for things to straighten out in his

system

> (who knows how much longer that will be)?

this is a good point.....

> What can we possibly do for

> him? I am truly at a loss.

Well, I don't have an answer for your overall dilemma, but you

can certainly start giving him milk thistle 3 times a day to

start to help his liver. For kidneys I recommend feeding him

large amounts of watermelon (no, I am not kidding). It is

the right time of year for it, too. These would be a good

start on the liver/kidney issue; you can do more and read

more and ask more if you want to.

good wishes,

Moria