Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hmmm. The absence of heart sounds is a pretty good indicator that life, as we know it, has ceased. This was known even to those who practiced in the days before cardiac monitors, so I am told. Of course, listening for heart sounds is an advanced technique requiring extensive training, available only to the select few. This may be too much for some to master. GG On Dec 31, 2009, at 11:08:55 AM, " Lemming, Steve " slemming@...> wrote: Subject: RE: San Fire Hitting the New Again Date: December 31, 2009 11:08:55 AM MST To: texasems-l Agree. Blunt trauma has almost no chance of resuscitation. Many services call on blunt trauma patients found to be pulseless and apneic. One could also document the absence of an apical pulse as a finding without the strip being run. Survival rates for adult trauma patients who require cardiopulmonary resuscitation http://www.cjem-online.ca/v6/n4/p263 " In this consecutive series of trauma victims who suffered cardiac arrest, overall survival was only 4%, and there were no survivors among patients who lost vital signs and required CPR prior to arrival at the hospital. " Lt. Steve Lemming, A.A.S., L.P. C-Shift EMS Administration Officer Azle, Texas Fire Department This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual (s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The City of Azle or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone Steve Lemming (817)444-7108. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. For more information on The City of Azle, visit our web site at: http://www.cityofazle.org San Fire Hitting the New Again Two years after their previous incident, SAFD strikes again. http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articles/733194-Care-of-San-- accident-victim-probed/ http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articles/733194-Care-of-San- -accident-victim-probed/> ***** Named to Fortune's 1000 list for 2009**** ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " 1000 Largest Manufacturing Companies in the World " 2009 list. ***** * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2009 Report Share Posted December 31, 2009 Hmmm. The absence of heart sounds is a pretty good indicator that life, as we know it, has ceased. This was known even to those who practiced in the days before cardiac monitors, so I am told. Of course, listening for heart sounds is an advanced technique requiring extensive training, available only to the select few. This may be too much for some to master. GG On Dec 31, 2009, at 11:08:55 AM, " Lemming, Steve " slemming@...> wrote: Subject: RE: San Fire Hitting the New Again Date: December 31, 2009 11:08:55 AM MST To: texasems-l Agree. Blunt trauma has almost no chance of resuscitation. Many services call on blunt trauma patients found to be pulseless and apneic. One could also document the absence of an apical pulse as a finding without the strip being run. Survival rates for adult trauma patients who require cardiopulmonary resuscitation http://www.cjem-online.ca/v6/n4/p263 " In this consecutive series of trauma victims who suffered cardiac arrest, overall survival was only 4%, and there were no survivors among patients who lost vital signs and required CPR prior to arrival at the hospital. " Lt. Steve Lemming, A.A.S., L.P. C-Shift EMS Administration Officer Azle, Texas Fire Department This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual (s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of The City of Azle or its policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone Steve Lemming (817)444-7108. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. For more information on The City of Azle, visit our web site at: http://www.cityofazle.org San Fire Hitting the New Again Two years after their previous incident, SAFD strikes again. http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articles/733194-Care-of-San-- accident-victim-probed/ http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articles/733194-Care-of-San- -accident-victim-probed/> ***** Named to Fortune's 1000 list for 2009**** ***** Ranked in Industry Week's " 1000 Largest Manufacturing Companies in the World " 2009 list. ***** * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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