RE: San Fire Hitting the New Again

[Guest guest]

Hmmm.  The absence of heart sounds is a pretty good indicator that life, as we

know it, has ceased.  This was known even to those who practiced in the days

before cardiac monitors, so I am told.  Of course, listening for heart sounds is

an advanced technique requiring extensive training, available only to the select

few.  This may be too much for some to master.

GG

On Dec 31, 2009, at 11:08:55 AM, " Lemming, Steve " slemming@...>

wrote:

Subject: RE: San Fire Hitting the New Again

Date: December 31, 2009 11:08:55 AM MST

To: texasems-l

Agree. Blunt trauma has almost no chance of resuscitation. Many services call on

blunt trauma patients found to be pulseless and apneic. One could also document

the absence of an apical pulse as a finding without the strip being run.

Survival rates for adult trauma patients who require cardiopulmonary

resuscitation

http://www.cjem-online.ca/v6/n4/p263

" In this consecutive series of trauma victims who suffered cardiac arrest,

overall survival was only 4%, and there were no survivors among patients who

lost vital signs and required CPR prior to arrival at the hospital. "

Lt. Steve Lemming, A.A.S., L.P.

C-Shift

EMS Administration Officer

Azle, Texas Fire Department

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San Fire Hitting the New Again 

Two years after their previous incident, SAFD strikes again. 

http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articles/733194-Care-of-San-- 

accident-victim-probed/ 

http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articles/733194-Care-of-San- 

-accident-victim-probed/> 

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[Guest guest]

Hmmm.  The absence of heart sounds is a pretty good indicator that life, as we

know it, has ceased.  This was known even to those who practiced in the days

before cardiac monitors, so I am told.  Of course, listening for heart sounds is

an advanced technique requiring extensive training, available only to the select

few.  This may be too much for some to master.

GG

On Dec 31, 2009, at 11:08:55 AM, " Lemming, Steve " slemming@...>

wrote:

Subject: RE: San Fire Hitting the New Again

Date: December 31, 2009 11:08:55 AM MST

To: texasems-l

Agree. Blunt trauma has almost no chance of resuscitation. Many services call on

blunt trauma patients found to be pulseless and apneic. One could also document

the absence of an apical pulse as a finding without the strip being run.

Survival rates for adult trauma patients who require cardiopulmonary

resuscitation

http://www.cjem-online.ca/v6/n4/p263

" In this consecutive series of trauma victims who suffered cardiac arrest,

overall survival was only 4%, and there were no survivors among patients who

lost vital signs and required CPR prior to arrival at the hospital. "

Lt. Steve Lemming, A.A.S., L.P.

C-Shift

EMS Administration Officer

Azle, Texas Fire Department

This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual

(s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of

the author and do not necessarily represent those of The City of Azle or its

policies. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please phone Steve

Lemming (817)444-7108. Please also destroy and delete the message from your

computer.

For more information on The City of Azle, visit our web site

at: http://www.cityofazle.org

San Fire Hitting the New Again 

Two years after their previous incident, SAFD strikes again. 

http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articles/733194-Care-of-San-- 

accident-victim-probed/ 

http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-ems/articles/733194-Care-of-San- 

-accident-victim-probed/> 

***** Named to Fortune's 1000 list for 2009**** 

***** Ranked in Industry Week's " 1000 Largest Manufacturing Companies in the

World " 2009 list. ***** 

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