Re: RSD shoulder torn - cervical sprain / Oh Crap!

April 30, 2004

Try not to be so hard on yourself! You did what your natural

instincts told you... save the expensive computer! All or most of us

would have done the same. Please take it easy this weekend, and

we'll all be thinking of you. Perhaps your hot tub would help (or

will the heat flare it up?... I always forget when to do heat vs.

cold, except for right after the injury).

Take care!!

April 30, 2004

Perhaps your hot tub would help (or will the heat flare it up?... I

always forget when to do heat vs. cold, except for right after the

injury).

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Maybe this will help you remember - Stages of Inflammation. Just

some notes I had from massage school.

STAGES OF INFLAMMATION

ACUTE: FIRST 4 DAYS AFTER INJURY

SIGNS: SWELLING, REDNESS, HEAT, LOSS OF FUNCTION

ASSESS: USE PASSIVE ROM, PAIN AT REST OR EARLY IN ROM

TX GOALS: REDUCE SWELLING, REDUCE PAIN, REDUCE MUSCLE SPASM

TX TECHNIQUES: LYMPHATIC DRAINAGE, RICE

ROM GOALS: MAINTAIN ROM (ACTIVE & PASSIVE ROM WITHIN PAIN TOLERANCE)

HYDRO: COLD/ICE

SUBACUTE: 4 – 14 DAYS POST-INJURY

SIGNS: SEE ABOVE, SCAR TISSUE STARTS TO FORM

ASSESS: USE PASSIVE ROM, PAIN AT MIDRANGE

TX GOALS: INCREASE CIRCULATION, DECREASE HYPERTONICITY, DECREASE

WASTE AND DEBRIS

TX TECHNIQUES: CYRIAX CROSS FIBER FRICTION, WORK PROXIMAL

ROM GOALS: INCREASE ROM, ACTIVE AND PASSIVE

HYDRO: COLD VASCULAR FLUSH, WITH COLD EMPHASIS (3 X COLD, 1 X HOT, 3

X COLD, END WITH COLD)

CHRONIC: 14 – 21 DAYS POST INJURY

SIGNS: PAIN AND LOSS OF FUNCTION, ADHESIONS

ASSESS: USE PASSIVE ROM, PAIN AT END OF ROM (TISSSUE STRETCH)

TX GOALS: DECREASE PAIN FROM CONTRACTURES, DECREASE ADHESIONS,

INCREASE SOFT TISSUE MOBILITY

TX TECHNIQUES: CROSS FIBER FRICTION, CONTRACT-RELAX, PIN AND STRETCH

ROM GOALS: STRENGTHEN, RESISTIVE ROM

HYDRO: HOT (MOIST HEAT), HOT VASCULAR FLUSH (3 X HOT, 1 X COLD, 3 X

HOT, END WITH COLD)

April 30, 2004

Oh Debbie --

I hope you are better soon and I will be sending healing thoughts and prayers

your way.

Love, Patti

RSD shoulder torn - cervical sprain / Oh Crap!

Back from the anesthesiologist and MRI/CAT scans

Not great news.

RSD is full blown.

Shoulder is totally torn, posteriorly and anteriorly!

C3 bulge impinging.

Must have Stellate ganglion block on Monday 7am with shoulder injection too

just to calm down the shoulder pain so that the block sticks.

Not happy.

In lots of pain.

Stupid!

I should have let my dam laptop crash on the floor but all I could see is

either being without it or coughing up another $1700. of which I do not have.

Stupid!

April 30, 2004

Debbie

Sorry to hear of all your woes. I hope you get better soon.

Betty

RSD shoulder torn - cervical sprain / Oh Crap!

> Back from the anesthesiologist and MRI/CAT scans

>

> Not great news.

> RSD is full blown.

> Shoulder is totally torn, posteriorly and anteriorly!

> C3 bulge impinging.

> Must have Stellate ganglion block on Monday 7am with shoulder injection

too

> just to calm down the shoulder pain so that the block sticks.

>

> Not happy.

> In lots of pain.

> Stupid!

>

> I should have let my dam laptop crash on the floor but all I could see is

> either being without it or coughing up another $1700. of which I do not

have.

> Stupid!

>

April 30, 2004

In a message dated 4/30/2004 14:44:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jmnycricket22@... writes:

Perhaps your hot tub would help

I think that is a good idea. Not tonight... tomorrow

Thanks for your words .

Debbi

April 30, 2004

In a message dated 4/30/2004 14:44:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jmnycricket22@... writes:

Perhaps your hot tub would help

I think that is a good idea. Not tonight... tomorrow

Thanks for your words .

Debbi

April 30, 2004

In a message dated 4/30/2004 14:44:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jmnycricket22@... writes:

Perhaps your hot tub would help

I think that is a good idea. Not tonight... tomorrow

Thanks for your words .

Debbi

April 30, 2004

JETSKIDEB@... wrote on April 30, 2004

Back from the anesthesiologist and MRI/CAT scans

Not great news.

RSD is full blown.

What is RSD? Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy? What are initial symptoms?

Bernie H

April 30, 2004

JETSKIDEB@... wrote on April 30, 2004

Back from the anesthesiologist and MRI/CAT scans

Not great news.

RSD is full blown.

What is RSD? Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy? What are initial symptoms?

Bernie H

April 30, 2004

Oh Debbi, try to rest if possible!!!

I wish I lived closer to help!

Jill

Re: Re: RSD shoulder torn - cervical sprain / Oh Crap!

In a message dated 4/30/2004 14:44:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jmnycricket22@... writes:

Perhaps your hot tub would help

I think that is a good idea. Not tonight... tomorrow

Thanks for your words .

Debbi

April 30, 2004

Oh Debbi, try to rest if possible!!!

I wish I lived closer to help!

Jill

Re: Re: RSD shoulder torn - cervical sprain / Oh Crap!

In a message dated 4/30/2004 14:44:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jmnycricket22@... writes:

Perhaps your hot tub would help

I think that is a good idea. Not tonight... tomorrow

Thanks for your words .

Debbi

May 1, 2004

Debbi ...I wish I lived closer to help!

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Trust me, I share the sentiment. And more than just as a figure of

speech.

May 1, 2004

Thanks Sharon...

I am resting and trying to move the fingers as much as I can without messing

up the shoulder.... Hard to do.

I am glad that it is warm out ... if it was cold I am not sure I could stand

it...

Heating is helping but drugs are the best!

Just biding my time till Monday.

Thanks again!

Debbi

May 1, 2004

Thanks Sharon...

I am resting and trying to move the fingers as much as I can without messing

up the shoulder.... Hard to do.

I am glad that it is warm out ... if it was cold I am not sure I could stand

it...

Heating is helping but drugs are the best!

Just biding my time till Monday.

Thanks again!

Debbi

May 1, 2004

It is not hard to remember for a RSD'er as we are NOT allowed to use

ICE as it burns and cancause the RSD to spread.

So I have to use heat no matter what or nothing.

Sharon

> Try not to be so hard on yourself! You did what your natural

> instincts told you... save the expensive computer! All or most of

us

> would have done the same. Please take it easy this weekend, and

> we'll all be thinking of you. Perhaps your hot tub would help (or

> will the heat flare it up?... I always forget when to do heat vs.

> cold, except for right after the injury).

>

> Take care!!

>

May 1, 2004

DEb,

I can sympathise my right shoulder (The one doing the very weird

dislocations) is also my RSD shoulder/arm and this is a NO win

situation as each time it dislocated etc it flaresup the RSD and each

time it is relocated it flares up the RSD.

As you likely all ready know being a RSD sufferer Ice is a BIG NO NO

unless it is for life saving means as it causes pain, burning and can

cause spreading of RSD.

After my last shoulder surgery in 2001 I went into a MAJOR RSD flare

and was put on HIGH dose vitamin C to try to help (I was taking

3,000mg or 3 grams a day) Just be careful as I was later told that

high dose vitamin C can negate the effectiveness of the contraceptive

pill (and I doubt you want a pregnancy/baby on top of this).

I sure hope the blocks work and help put the RSD back out of full

blown and back inot your normal or even better into a remission (Hey

we can hope can't we).

I too would have grabbed the computer NOT because I would have

thought about it but becasue it is the bodies natural instint and

reflex to do so and NOT something ou think about until after the

damage is done so don't beat yourself up OK, it was NOT your fault.

Rest and relax do your issometric exersises (if you can.. to help

prevent further RSD complications from immobilisation if you can

tolerate it (I rarely can in a flare up and if you are currently full

blown I doubt you can either)).

I forget where it is you live but it may be worth contacting the big

RSD wig in Florida about getting a consult and a set of blocks etc to

try to stop the RSD progression and to return it to your normal

levels if possible (Dr. Hooshmand is supposed to be the big wig in

RSD).

Good Luck, take it easy and try to relax.

Sharon

> Back from the anesthesiologist and MRI/CAT scans

>

> Not great news.

> RSD is full blown.

> Shoulder is totally torn, posteriorly and anteriorly!

> C3 bulge impinging.

> Must have Stellate ganglion block on Monday 7am with shoulder

injection too

> just to calm down the shoulder pain so that the block sticks.

>

> Not happy.

> In lots of pain.

> Stupid!

>

> I should have let my dam laptop crash on the floor but all I could

see is

> either being without it or coughing up another $1700. of which I do

not have.

> Stupid!

>

May 1, 2004

DEb,

I can sympathise my right shoulder (The one doing the very weird

dislocations) is also my RSD shoulder/arm and this is a NO win

situation as each time it dislocated etc it flaresup the RSD and each

time it is relocated it flares up the RSD.

As you likely all ready know being a RSD sufferer Ice is a BIG NO NO

unless it is for life saving means as it causes pain, burning and can

cause spreading of RSD.

After my last shoulder surgery in 2001 I went into a MAJOR RSD flare

and was put on HIGH dose vitamin C to try to help (I was taking

3,000mg or 3 grams a day) Just be careful as I was later told that

high dose vitamin C can negate the effectiveness of the contraceptive

pill (and I doubt you want a pregnancy/baby on top of this).

I sure hope the blocks work and help put the RSD back out of full

blown and back inot your normal or even better into a remission (Hey

we can hope can't we).

I too would have grabbed the computer NOT because I would have

thought about it but becasue it is the bodies natural instint and

reflex to do so and NOT something ou think about until after the

damage is done so don't beat yourself up OK, it was NOT your fault.

Rest and relax do your issometric exersises (if you can.. to help

prevent further RSD complications from immobilisation if you can

tolerate it (I rarely can in a flare up and if you are currently full

blown I doubt you can either)).

I forget where it is you live but it may be worth contacting the big

RSD wig in Florida about getting a consult and a set of blocks etc to

try to stop the RSD progression and to return it to your normal

levels if possible (Dr. Hooshmand is supposed to be the big wig in

RSD).

Good Luck, take it easy and try to relax.

Sharon

> Back from the anesthesiologist and MRI/CAT scans

>

> Not great news.

> RSD is full blown.

> Shoulder is totally torn, posteriorly and anteriorly!

> C3 bulge impinging.

> Must have Stellate ganglion block on Monday 7am with shoulder

injection too

> just to calm down the shoulder pain so that the block sticks.

>

> Not happy.

> In lots of pain.

> Stupid!

>

> I should have let my dam laptop crash on the floor but all I could

see is

> either being without it or coughing up another $1700. of which I do

not have.

> Stupid!

>

May 1, 2004

DEb,

I can sympathise my right shoulder (The one doing the very weird

dislocations) is also my RSD shoulder/arm and this is a NO win

situation as each time it dislocated etc it flaresup the RSD and each

time it is relocated it flares up the RSD.

As you likely all ready know being a RSD sufferer Ice is a BIG NO NO

unless it is for life saving means as it causes pain, burning and can

cause spreading of RSD.

After my last shoulder surgery in 2001 I went into a MAJOR RSD flare

and was put on HIGH dose vitamin C to try to help (I was taking

3,000mg or 3 grams a day) Just be careful as I was later told that

high dose vitamin C can negate the effectiveness of the contraceptive

pill (and I doubt you want a pregnancy/baby on top of this).

I sure hope the blocks work and help put the RSD back out of full

blown and back inot your normal or even better into a remission (Hey

we can hope can't we).

I too would have grabbed the computer NOT because I would have

thought about it but becasue it is the bodies natural instint and

reflex to do so and NOT something ou think about until after the

damage is done so don't beat yourself up OK, it was NOT your fault.

Rest and relax do your issometric exersises (if you can.. to help

prevent further RSD complications from immobilisation if you can

tolerate it (I rarely can in a flare up and if you are currently full

blown I doubt you can either)).

I forget where it is you live but it may be worth contacting the big

RSD wig in Florida about getting a consult and a set of blocks etc to

try to stop the RSD progression and to return it to your normal

levels if possible (Dr. Hooshmand is supposed to be the big wig in

RSD).

Good Luck, take it easy and try to relax.

Sharon

> Back from the anesthesiologist and MRI/CAT scans

>

> Not great news.

> RSD is full blown.

> Shoulder is totally torn, posteriorly and anteriorly!

> C3 bulge impinging.

> Must have Stellate ganglion block on Monday 7am with shoulder

injection too

> just to calm down the shoulder pain so that the block sticks.

>

> Not happy.

> In lots of pain.

> Stupid!

>

> I should have let my dam laptop crash on the floor but all I could

see is

> either being without it or coughing up another $1700. of which I do

not have.

> Stupid!

>

May 2, 2004

Hi Sharon,

You are so right!!! Doing such a thing is just instinct, happens so

fast you have no time to think... Hey, I even did it because... What

was it again? Either a falling pen or a cigarette...a while ago... It

was when I posted afterwards that I had done something funny to my

scapula. While reaching out to catch whatever was falling, I threw my

collar bone out where it meets the shoulder, and then, also without

thinking, I pushed it back in - only to have something odd happening

to the scapula instead. How silly... Mike explained that I probably

pushed the collar bone too far back in, causing something to happen

back there... I still feel that scapula... It is weeks ago, maybe

even two months... But that is how things are, it does take a

while... I haven't had it checked though, so I have no idea what I

really did, just that I did something and it caused a lot of funny

sensations (tingling, numbness, " electric shocks " ) and also pain,

although not that bad... It probably wasn't that bad a thing to try

to catch as it was falling, after all it is not as if it was heavy or

anything, and the result was luckily minor, nothing like what Debbi

just had happening... But allover, I am really lucky, my shoulders

aren't bad at all compared to the shoulders many of you guys have...

Aase Marit

>I too would have grabbed the computer NOT because I would have

>thought about it but becasue it is the bodies natural instint and

>reflex to do so and NOT something ou think about until after the

>damage is done so don't beat yourself up OK, it was NOT your fault.

May 2, 2004