Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 , Many of us have had gall bladder problems prior to or after the dx of PSC. A blockage of or inflammation of the gall bladder and its ducts will often cause an elevated bilirubin. I had my gall bladder out in '93. I was dx in '00 with AIH and 4 months later with PSC. Shortly after I was dx, I bought Dr. Palmer's Guide to Hepatitis & Liver Disease. I'm sure most of the material can be found on the Internet, but I sure find it a handy guide to help me know what is normal for " liver disease and failure. " I personally find it reassuring to know what to expect rather to be slapped-up-side-of-the-head with a development of some symptom I had no idea was " normal. " For those of you who have an old copy, there is a new and revised edition 2004. There isn,t't a ton of info on PSC, but the whole bit on how a liver fails and typical symptoms is pretty good. Hope that helps. Take Care, Cheryl ID, 49, PSC/AIH/UC/fibromyalgia, etc. He had an ultrasound that showed more PSC involvement > and a " quite distended gallbladder " . I am not sure what the > gallbladder involvement means. > > wife of Rick Crohn's '04, Arthritis '06, PSC '06 > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 , Many of us have had gall bladder problems prior to or after the dx of PSC. A blockage of or inflammation of the gall bladder and its ducts will often cause an elevated bilirubin. I had my gall bladder out in '93. I was dx in '00 with AIH and 4 months later with PSC. Shortly after I was dx, I bought Dr. Palmer's Guide to Hepatitis & Liver Disease. I'm sure most of the material can be found on the Internet, but I sure find it a handy guide to help me know what is normal for " liver disease and failure. " I personally find it reassuring to know what to expect rather to be slapped-up-side-of-the-head with a development of some symptom I had no idea was " normal. " For those of you who have an old copy, there is a new and revised edition 2004. There isn,t't a ton of info on PSC, but the whole bit on how a liver fails and typical symptoms is pretty good. Hope that helps. Take Care, Cheryl ID, 49, PSC/AIH/UC/fibromyalgia, etc. He had an ultrasound that showed more PSC involvement > and a " quite distended gallbladder " . I am not sure what the > gallbladder involvement means. > > wife of Rick Crohn's '04, Arthritis '06, PSC '06 > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 , Many of us have had gall bladder problems prior to or after the dx of PSC. A blockage of or inflammation of the gall bladder and its ducts will often cause an elevated bilirubin. I had my gall bladder out in '93. I was dx in '00 with AIH and 4 months later with PSC. Shortly after I was dx, I bought Dr. Palmer's Guide to Hepatitis & Liver Disease. I'm sure most of the material can be found on the Internet, but I sure find it a handy guide to help me know what is normal for " liver disease and failure. " I personally find it reassuring to know what to expect rather to be slapped-up-side-of-the-head with a development of some symptom I had no idea was " normal. " For those of you who have an old copy, there is a new and revised edition 2004. There isn,t't a ton of info on PSC, but the whole bit on how a liver fails and typical symptoms is pretty good. Hope that helps. Take Care, Cheryl ID, 49, PSC/AIH/UC/fibromyalgia, etc. He had an ultrasound that showed more PSC involvement > and a " quite distended gallbladder " . I am not sure what the > gallbladder involvement means. > > wife of Rick Crohn's '04, Arthritis '06, PSC '06 > > > Quote
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 Yep -- you can add me to the list. The first inkling of a liver problem for me was a letter I received from the Red Cross late 1990, letting me know my ALT was elevated and my donated blood had been rejected. I had donated a gallon by then and was only 22. I ended up having my gall bladder removed in February 1991, and my GI started tracking my LFTs, which would go up and down constantly. Cheryl -- about the AIH -- the interesting thing: I believe that between 1991 and 2000, my LFTs would drop when I had a UC flare and my GI put me on prednisone. It certainly supports your theory that I might have AIH. Just curious -- is it better to have AIH or PSC? I realize this is a completely stupid question -- better to have neither! But if one does have an uto-immune liver disease, which gets more support, research, transplants, etc.? I hope this one lasts long enough so that some day they can just regrow me a new one from my own stem cells! Colleen -- In , " Logan Berg " wrote: > > Many of us have had gall bladder problems prior to or after the dx of PSC. A blockage of or inflammation of the gall bladder and its ducts will often cause an elevated bilirubin. I had my gall bladder out in '93. I was dx in '00 with AIH and 4 months later with PSC. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 Yep -- you can add me to the list. The first inkling of a liver problem for me was a letter I received from the Red Cross late 1990, letting me know my ALT was elevated and my donated blood had been rejected. I had donated a gallon by then and was only 22. I ended up having my gall bladder removed in February 1991, and my GI started tracking my LFTs, which would go up and down constantly. Cheryl -- about the AIH -- the interesting thing: I believe that between 1991 and 2000, my LFTs would drop when I had a UC flare and my GI put me on prednisone. It certainly supports your theory that I might have AIH. Just curious -- is it better to have AIH or PSC? I realize this is a completely stupid question -- better to have neither! But if one does have an uto-immune liver disease, which gets more support, research, transplants, etc.? I hope this one lasts long enough so that some day they can just regrow me a new one from my own stem cells! Colleen -- In , " Logan Berg " wrote: > > Many of us have had gall bladder problems prior to or after the dx of PSC. A blockage of or inflammation of the gall bladder and its ducts will often cause an elevated bilirubin. I had my gall bladder out in '93. I was dx in '00 with AIH and 4 months later with PSC. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 Yep -- you can add me to the list. The first inkling of a liver problem for me was a letter I received from the Red Cross late 1990, letting me know my ALT was elevated and my donated blood had been rejected. I had donated a gallon by then and was only 22. I ended up having my gall bladder removed in February 1991, and my GI started tracking my LFTs, which would go up and down constantly. Cheryl -- about the AIH -- the interesting thing: I believe that between 1991 and 2000, my LFTs would drop when I had a UC flare and my GI put me on prednisone. It certainly supports your theory that I might have AIH. Just curious -- is it better to have AIH or PSC? I realize this is a completely stupid question -- better to have neither! But if one does have an uto-immune liver disease, which gets more support, research, transplants, etc.? I hope this one lasts long enough so that some day they can just regrow me a new one from my own stem cells! Colleen -- In , " Logan Berg " wrote: > > Many of us have had gall bladder problems prior to or after the dx of PSC. A blockage of or inflammation of the gall bladder and its ducts will often cause an elevated bilirubin. I had my gall bladder out in '93. I was dx in '00 with AIH and 4 months later with PSC. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 That's pretty much what they told me in my 2001 pre-ERCP US. I got a HIDA scan (see http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hida-scan/AN00424), which proved it wasn't working properly (NOT a fun test). It was removed 4 months later after a midnight ride to the ER (it REALLY hurts!). I think the gallbladder is often involved when there are common bile duct (CBD) strictures. Going from the small intestine " up " the tree, the pancreatic duct is first, then the gallbladder duct, then the left/right hepatic ducts. This is a pretty good picture: http://www.findhealer.com/glossary/images/biliary2.jpg We did a little poll once - lots of us have had a cholecystecomy. When I told my GB surgeon about it, he said he wwas surprised that that many of us still have it! See message 26089. Arne ---- megasam2 megasam2@...> wrote: ============= ....He had an ultrasound that showed more PSC involvement and a " quite distended gallbladder " ... Quote
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Posted April 17, 2008 That's pretty much what they told me in my 2001 pre-ERCP US. I got a HIDA scan (see http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hida-scan/AN00424), which proved it wasn't working properly (NOT a fun test). It was removed 4 months later after a midnight ride to the ER (it REALLY hurts!). I think the gallbladder is often involved when there are common bile duct (CBD) strictures. Going from the small intestine " up " the tree, the pancreatic duct is first, then the gallbladder duct, then the left/right hepatic ducts. This is a pretty good picture: http://www.findhealer.com/glossary/images/biliary2.jpg We did a little poll once - lots of us have had a cholecystecomy. When I told my GB surgeon about it, he said he wwas surprised that that many of us still have it! See message 26089. Arne ---- megasam2 megasam2@...> wrote: ============= ....He had an ultrasound that showed more PSC involvement and a " quite distended gallbladder " ... Quote
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 Colleen I would say it is " better " to have AIH, since it is treatable with steroids, which PSC is not. Regards, Chaim Boermeester, Israel From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Colleen Garvey Kueter Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 23:05 To: Subject: Re: Jaundice and bilirubin #'s Yep -- you can add me to the list. The first inkling of a liver problem for me was a letter I received from the Red Cross late 1990, letting me know my ALT was elevated and my donated blood had been rejected. I had donated a gallon by then and was only 22. I ended up having my gall bladder removed in February 1991, and my GI started tracking my LFTs, which would go up and down constantly. Cheryl -- about the AIH -- the interesting thing: I believe that between 1991 and 2000, my LFTs would drop when I had a UC flare and my GI put me on prednisone. It certainly supports your theory that I might have AIH. Just curious -- is it better to have AIH or PSC? I realize this is a completely stupid question -- better to have neither! But if one does have an uto-immune liver disease, which gets more support, research, transplants, etc.? I hope this one lasts long enough so that some day they can just regrow me a new one from my own stem cells! Colleen -- In , " Logan Berg " wrote: > > Many of us have had gall bladder problems prior to or after the dx of PSC. A blockage of or inflammation of the gall bladder and its ducts will often cause an elevated bilirubin. I had my gall bladder out in '93. I was dx in '00 with AIH and 4 months later with PSC. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 Colleen I would say it is " better " to have AIH, since it is treatable with steroids, which PSC is not. Regards, Chaim Boermeester, Israel From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Colleen Garvey Kueter Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 23:05 To: Subject: Re: Jaundice and bilirubin #'s Yep -- you can add me to the list. The first inkling of a liver problem for me was a letter I received from the Red Cross late 1990, letting me know my ALT was elevated and my donated blood had been rejected. I had donated a gallon by then and was only 22. I ended up having my gall bladder removed in February 1991, and my GI started tracking my LFTs, which would go up and down constantly. Cheryl -- about the AIH -- the interesting thing: I believe that between 1991 and 2000, my LFTs would drop when I had a UC flare and my GI put me on prednisone. It certainly supports your theory that I might have AIH. Just curious -- is it better to have AIH or PSC? I realize this is a completely stupid question -- better to have neither! But if one does have an uto-immune liver disease, which gets more support, research, transplants, etc.? I hope this one lasts long enough so that some day they can just regrow me a new one from my own stem cells! Colleen -- In , " Logan Berg " wrote: > > Many of us have had gall bladder problems prior to or after the dx of PSC. A blockage of or inflammation of the gall bladder and its ducts will often cause an elevated bilirubin. I had my gall bladder out in '93. I was dx in '00 with AIH and 4 months later with PSC. Quote
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2008 Report Posted April 21, 2008 Chaim, Thank you. Not to sound like a complete brat, but the cure sounds as bad as the disease to me. I hate what pred does to me, and I have been w/o it for 10 years. My husband has never been around me while I've been on it. Quite frankly, I would be worried about the long term stability of my marriage and what kind of mother I might be on prednisone. I hate the stuff with a passion. Regards, Colleen UC -- 08/1984 PSC -- 08/2000 > > Colleen > > I would say it is " better " to have AIH, since it is treatable with steroids, > which PSC is not. > > Regards, > > Chaim Boermeester, Israel > Quote
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