Re: symptoms of viral infection ????

August 20, 2004

> For example, the hand flapping issue which just was discussed.

After the anti-viral, my son will still flap occasionally, only when

excited. [before anti-viral, he flapped all the time.] I have

noticed that B6 removes the occasional flapping.

> Also, my son is almost never sick, hardly any ear infections, no

> anti-biotics....which could mean an over-active immune system, which

> I also heard could be caused by " viral " .

Yes

> So, I guess my question is...is there a list of what our kids would

> exhibit if they had a viral issue as opposed to a yeast issue? And

> if so, is there a urine/blood type test to confirm if viral is what

> the main cause of symptoms?

Dr. McCandless gives test recommendations in her book

http://www.autism-rxguidebook.net/DesktopDefault.aspx

For measles virus, a common symptom [altho not universal] is visual

stims that don't go away even with cod liver oil.

OCD is commonly associated with virus/es.

For my son, 80+ rounds of chelation still left certain problems, so I

decided to pursue virus issues.

Dana

August 20, 2004

In a message dated 8/19/2004 12:40:52 PM Central Standard Time,

kim.gill@... writes:

<<are there " typical " symptoms of viral issues with our kids? >>

I'm sure there are many symptoms but I can share with you some that my son's

doctor, who specializes in treating viral problems, pointed to as ones that he

felt clearly fit a viral problem:

- Motor problems -- especially those that are worse on one side of the body

than others,

usually the right side (dragging the right foot or extra difficulty using

the right hand) but

not always.

- Specific one-sided problems, especially those that waver over time -- for

example, my

son's left eye tracking and convergence used to jump and he'd have blind

spots that

would come and go -- this doc said that viruses tend to lodge into one

area, while

other toxins tend to have a more global affect

- Cycles of periods of progress and those of regression, especially when the

body is

weaker -- kids that seem to be developing speech and then it's lost in

cycles would

fit this symptom or kids who slur their words in cycles

- Periods of progress following fevers

- Either ongoing chronic viral-like illness or not ever seeming to get sick

I'm sure there are other symptoms but these stood out for my son.

<<Also, my son is almost never sick, hardly any ear infections, no

anti-biotics....which could mean an over-active immune system, which

I also heard could be caused by " viral " .>>

I don't think this would necessarily point to an " over-active " immune system

but could certainly be a sign of a dysregulated system. If his body doesn't

properly fight pathogens, you won't see typical signs of illness even when his

body is facing one. Have you had an immune panel run on him? This could be

really telling. It can be done by most labs. The doc just asks for an " Immune

Panel with lymphocyte subsets CD4, CD8 and NK cells. "

<<So, I guess my question is...is there a list of what our kids would

exhibit if they had a viral issue as opposed to a yeast issue?>>

According to the doc we work with, the two almost always go together. I'm not

sure I agree with this since we haven't seen a strong yeast connection with

my son but he says that when natural killer cells are low, which they usually

are with a viral involvement, then yeast tend to take over. He almost always

treats both until the body is strong enough to mount a good defense on its own.

<<is there a urine/blood type test to confirm if viral is what the main cause

of symptoms?>>

You can run a viral panel through Immunosciences or Immunodiagnostics labs

BUT low viral titers don't necessarily rule out a viral problem. The body needs

to be able to at least mount some sort of an attack against the virus for it

to show up in titers. If it's not able to, the virus just takes over but

titers don't rise. Many kids' titers rise, before lowering, several months into

antiviral treatment when their bodies are able to kick in some defenses.

Gaylen

August 21, 2004

Gaylen,

Craig had the Fudenburg panel done years ago but we never knew who could

look at it for us. Would your doc be able to help? What kind of substances